http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/index.php Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:15:27 -0400 Phorum 5.2.14 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,173005#msg-173005 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,173005#msg-173005 powerlifer Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:54:41 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,170802,173004#msg-173004 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,170802,173004#msg-173004 Horsea Other Topics (not health related) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:08:36 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172094,173003#msg-173003 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172094,173003#msg-173003 I am finding my first week of school to be very stimulating. I feel ahead of the game at the moment, I actually read two chapters before the start of one class. I actually corrected the instructor on a very important point. I wouldn't have bothered, except that I was afraid of other students learning it wrong.

I felt like I took a chance, because correcting an instructor is kind of scary, but she paused and looked at the book, and then fixed her mistake, and thanked me for that.]]> Mislu Other Topics (not health related) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:54:03 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172992,173002#msg-173002 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172992,173002#msg-173002
Thanks for reminding us to pay attention to legislation. Kwan used to do that here, but where, oh where, has she gone?]]> Tamukha Other Health Related Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:05:17 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172383,173001#msg-173001 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172383,173001#msg-173001
If you had just expressed it in that ebullient way from the beginning, that would've been different!

And, no, money is not the same as a tree, or I'd be able to pay for my gas with a tree ;)

It does give me an idea for a poem, however:

I think that I shall never see,
Money as lovely as a tree

Hmmm . . . I have a feeling it's already been done . . .]]> Tamukha Other Health Related Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:01:33 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172035,173000#msg-173000 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172035,173000#msg-173000 Krefcenz Other Topics (not health related) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:59:34 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172999#msg-172999 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172999#msg-172999 -------------------------------------------------------
> I wonder when the large meal of bread and canola
> oil hit bottom.

The Vogel study did the blood work 3 hours after meal time. Hmmm- seed oils seem to take a while to digest. I wonder if they were even in the system...

Digestion times:

1 3/4 hours
ripe olives -


3 1/2 Hours -
safflower oil
sesame seed oil
eggplant
mustard
greens peas, dried
soybean oil
rye

[www.unani.com]]]> loeve Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:51:31 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172906,172998#msg-172998 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172906,172998#msg-172998
The differences in me and my sisters healing time was crazy, i only caught a mild bout of it whilst hers was full blown and still hasnt fully healed. Mines was gone in less than a week. Do note i take alot of herbs also such as adaptogens and any supplementary herbs that i wish. But i feel my raw diet was the key to faster healing along with the herbs.]]> powerlifer Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:46:49 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172906,172997#msg-172997 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172906,172997#msg-172997 cyclopsicle Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:35:50 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?3,172935,172996#msg-172996 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?3,172935,172996#msg-172996 juicerkatz Juicing, Juicers, Blending and Blenders Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:35:43 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172848,172995#msg-172995 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172848,172995#msg-172995
I read through some of his site, but not all of it.

If that is the case, why wouldn't he just come right out & say what he consumes instead of clouding the facts in mysticism?]]> juicerkatz Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:34:56 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172994#msg-172994 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172994#msg-172994 loeve Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:29:51 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172993#msg-172993 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172993#msg-172993

Again, I'm not bashing olive oil. I guess the main point is that using canola oil under exactly the same fact pattern (120 grams nonpreservative whole grain bread)did not produce the same impaired FMD outcome. Salmon has relatively high saturated fat but also has Omega 3 oils that olive oil lacks. Again, not bashing olive oil. Point is it should be used sparingly and there are better fat alternatives. Again, Loeve, thanks for pointing out the mediation of adding fruit and vegetables.

Paul]]> pborst Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:18:11 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172992,172992#msg-172992 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172992,172992#msg-172992
[www.activistpost.com]]]> KidRaw Other Health Related Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:11:42 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172991#msg-172991 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172991#msg-172991 loeve Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:10:00 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172807,172990#msg-172990 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172807,172990#msg-172990 back2eden Other Topics (not health related) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:18:11 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,140719,172989#msg-172989 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,140719,172989#msg-172989 powerlifer Other Health Related Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:16:29 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172383,172988#msg-172988 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172383,172988#msg-172988
Also, isn't Nature 'material things'? Because I love Flowers so I'm obsessed with landscaping and am 'buying flowering plants' for my yard with my 'money', is that not nature? When I was obsessed with crystals, I bought many rocks with my 'money', and went out on walks and collected rocks and crystals and shells at the ocean, so is that 'material things' because it's 'bought' or not 'material things' because it's free from 'nature'? Isn't Money the same as a Tree.

So is Loving Living Beings the highest form of spirituality? Then maybe Loving Nature would be next and then maybe Loving Money and Material Things would be the lowest?

Or is it that if you love Money for what it can buy, even if it's say 'Paying for a Spiritual Workshop or Retreat' it's base?

How about if I love Money So I Can Give it All Away to Others Less Fortunate - is that lesser than just loving others, but more than just Loving Money? So is it 'what you actually do with the money', like if it's for 'selfish means'?]]> KidRaw Other Health Related Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:06:56 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172917,172987#msg-172987 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?11,172917,172987#msg-172987
As for my kids, well they'll do what I tell them to. Lol, not really but yes in a way. They will adapt and thrive as children are meant to. Of course it helps that they are still young enough to be adaptable.

Oh and La_Veronique, I'm not worried about people labeling me as a yuppie trendster. I just don't typically like that sort of person and yes I am being narrow minded but I believe being environmentally conscious consists of more than carrying reusable shopping bags in my Prius to the supermarket.]]> reina80 Other Topics (not health related) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:03:14 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172986#msg-172986 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172986#msg-172986 -------------------------------------------------------
> Loeve,
>
> Thanks for pointing out that the negative effects
> of olive oil...>

..a 900 calorie high olive oil/high cooked starch meal]]> loeve Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:41:31 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172383,172985#msg-172985 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,172383,172985#msg-172985
Shall give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are joking . . .

Also, if one loves money and material things, one is, necessarily, on a lower spiritual plane than someone who reserves love for living beings and has few material attachments. Duh :)]]> Tamukha Other Health Related Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:13:06 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172984#msg-172984 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172984#msg-172984
Thanks for pointing out that the negative effects of olive oil on FMD are mediated by eating fresh fruits and vegetables and that the overall effect on health shouldn't be viewed with a single food in mind, but the combination. And I like olive oil for the flavor it imparts. That said, I still have agree with Prana's observation on the second post.

"A better source of fat would be avocados or raw nuts and seeds"

I think I am beginning to understand why people like John McDougall, Joel Fuhrman, and Jeff Novick are so anti-olive oil. Maybe not because they believe it is an unhealthy food so much as that there are better whole food alternatives. Here are the results of one small study demonstrating that walnuts improved FMD whereas olive oil worsened it. [www.sciencedirect.com]]]> pborst Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:03:03 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172843,172983#msg-172983 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172843,172983#msg-172983
Need to find someone to play tennis with, 'cos I'm losing me skills, whaaaa! :(]]> Tamukha Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:02:56 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172952,172982#msg-172982 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172952,172982#msg-172982 Tamukha Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:58:30 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172889,172981#msg-172981 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172889,172981#msg-172981
I think I love mangosteen the best. The taste is so fragrant and unusual! Sapodillas (chikoos) are a close second. They taste like caramel :)

Another cool link, Trive!]]> suspendedindefinitely Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:55:38 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172944,172980#msg-172980 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172944,172980#msg-172980 Tamukha Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:53:43 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172843,172979#msg-172979 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172843,172979#msg-172979 Swayze Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:22:12 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172978#msg-172978 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172978#msg-172978 -------------------------------------------------------
> The 3rd olive oil meal could have been simply olive oil
> over pasta --
>
>

..Ah, it was olive oil over bread. By the way "extra-virgin" is not well regulated in the US like it is in the EU --

"Intervention. All subjects ate five meals in varied order, starting at 8:00 to 10:00 AM, separated by at least a one-week interval. The meals contained 50 g fat and 900 kcal. Three meals contained different sources of fat:

(1) extra-virgin olive oil (50 g) and nonpreservative whole-grain bread (120 g),

(2) canola oil (50 g) and nonpreservative whole-grain bread (120 g), and

(3) canned red salmon (420 g) and crackers (30 g).

"The canola oil and salmon meals contained approximately 5 g and 6 g of omega-3 fatty acid, respectively. The other two meals evaluated the addition of antioxidant vitamins and foods to olive oil:

(4) extra-virgin olive oil (50 g), nonpreservative whole-grain bread (120 g), and vitamins C (1 g) and E (d,1 -tocopherol, 800 IU), and

(5) extra-virgin olive oil (50 g), nonpreservative whole-grain bread (120 g), balsamic vinegar (100 ml), and salad [romaine lettuce (1.5 cup), carrot (1 medium-sized), tomato (1 medium-sized)]."

[content.onlinejacc.org]]]> loeve Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:02:17 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172716,172977#msg-172977 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172716,172977#msg-172977 Utopian Life Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:51:06 -0400 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172976#msg-172976 http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,172442,172976#msg-172976
"Foods given together may have different vascular effects
than the sum of the individual components. Antioxidantrich
foods, such as fruits, vegetables, red wine, and red
wine-based ingredients (e.g. balsamic vinegar), ingested
with high-fat foods reduce subsequent vascular impairment.6
Given chronically, Mediterranean style diets following several
of these principles have been shown to improve endotheliummediated
vasodilation and reduce inflammatory markers.
These vascular findings may explain the dramatic results of
the Lyon Diet Heart and Indo-Mediterranean Diet Heart
studies, in which Mediterranean style diets reduced allcause
and coronary heart disease mortality to half.7,8..."

[eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org]]]> loeve Living and Raw Foods Discussion (Vegan) Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:27:28 -0400