Raw1228 go away, you're an idiot.

everyone thanks so much for your responses. totally insightful.

earthmother, your post was beautiful and awesome. I especially liked the part when you said you vaporized and saved the extra to make tinctures. that's really cool.

it's crazy how they make a plant illegal. i've heard that it doesn't block anything or cause you to feel less, but rather, it causes you to produce endorphins? don't quote me on this one, but it seems as though it is like your brain is illegal.

I am a strong hemp advocate, and i have jack herer's book emperor wears no clothes. in the book it has a long detailed explanation of how cannabis became illegal. I think it's pretty violating how some things like this go on in our country.

as far as i know, no one has ever died from cannabis so it does not really = death.

i personally don't like the smell of pot or alcohol so i stay away from it ( as well as all other drugs)

but the weird thing is that if the government is saying that it is "bad' for human health, what they REALLY ought to do is to be

CONSISTENT and get rid of twinkies, kentucky fried chicken, Chucky Cheese pizza parlours.. etc.

i think these alter the brain just as negatively... all that trans fatty acid has the capability to destroy brain cells as well

all the chemicals in the cyrogenics twinkies ( it will survive even cockroaches, i believe)

can embalm the nervous system and affect thinking ....

so why dont they outlaw those as well?

cuz the government members are also card holding members of the twinkies and pizza cartel as well

let's get a bunch of rawies to case the joint and arrest them LOL

i know who would be a great leader but i won't tell

we need PASSIONATE people to perform this stakeout



yeah, that'll be the day

the brain actually has neurotransmitter receptors specifically for the cannabinoids in cannabis. makes you wonder...

anything can be abused. anything can be used as an escape method. and that includes a raw food diet, and anything else ostensibly positive. i think it's all about intention and purpose, and the ultimate goal we are seeking.

chandelle

Moderators are you awake? Somebody ban this moron. Also, he is sending me obscene private messages.

[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2008 03:40PM by flex4life.

I really resonate with Joan Bello's take on the benefits and effects of MJ:
[www.benefitsofmarijuana.com]

----
Marijuana use can have physical, psychological, and spiritual benefits:

PHYSICAL BENEFITS

The Physical benefits of marijuana are far-reaching, widespread, and long-term. Because of the way marijuana impacts the Autonomic Nervous System which expands the breath and relaxes the body, its potential for health and healing are enormous, and have been completely unrealized by Western Medicine. The following passages are excerpted from The Benefits of Marijuana: Physical, Psychological, & Spiritual:

The simultaneous opposing action of marijuana is akin to balancing our entire system. Such balance in the ANS can be understood as a charged equilibrium, which is defined as “well-being” experienced as physiological expansion and psychological contentment and responsible for health. (p. 29)

The net effect is a highly functioning, yet relaxed, system with better fuel. This is why, with marijuana, the feeling is both relaxed and alert, which explains, in part, the experience of being “stoned.” Normally the body vacillates between the two opposing modes of being. The effects of the complicated marijuana molecule somehow actually integrate these two modes, simultaneously, as absolutely nothing else does. (p. 30)

Although specific effects of marijuana in the body are well known, each has been taken in isolation without noting that both sides of the Autonomic Nervous System are conjoined. Instead of a perspective that sees the whole person and the simple holistic effect of marijuana, a myopic and reductionistic method of measurement has been employed, and marijuana’s profound meaning for health has been lost. (p. 31)

Marijuana, by its effect on the ANS, enhances both sides of the brain. Through increased Sympathetic action, left brain perception is heightened, while, at the same time, right brain reception is enhanced. This is a physiological fact. More blood, and cleaner blood, is sent to the brain, as in the “fight or flight” reaction. And because of Parasympathetic dilation of capillaries, which signifies relaxation, the blood supply to the entire brain is increased. More blood means more oxygen and consequently clearer and broader thinking. Since marijuana works on both sides of the brain, the most noticeable effect, in our fast-paced mind set, is one of slowing down, which blends the thrusting competitive attitude with the contrasting viewpoint of nurturance to arrive at a more cooperative balance. This experience is, however, not innate to marijuana, but to the mental set of the subject. When we are mellow, tired, and relaxed, marijuana is energizing and affords alertness, determination, and even strength. This variation in the physiological effects has caused great confusion from an either/or framework. And the balancing nature of marijuana (both/and) has not been understood. It both stimulates and relaxes, simultaneously, which equates to an unpredictable variation in effect that is solely dependent on the state of its subject. When the system is sluggish, as with natives in warm climates (Africa, India, South America), marijuana has been used extensively and for centuries to energize it:

A common practice among laborers... have a puff of a ganja (marijuana) pipe to produce well-being, relieve fatigue, stimulate appetite. (Chopra and Chopra, 1939, p.3)

When the system is hyper-aroused, as in today’s lifestyle, marijuana calms. The significance of this fact cannot be ignored. It explains the increased creativity reported as a part of the marijuana experience, because when both sides of brain processes are heightened, both types of brain activity are greater. The left brain notices more, while the right brain receives more. This is the unification of logic and intuition. The term “expansion of consciousness” is explained physiologically as a “shifting of brain emphasis from one-sidedness to balance” (Sugarmena and Tarter, 1978), which fits precisely with the feeling called “high.” (p. 35)

Marijuana ingestion has been shown to change the worried state by producing alpha waves, experienced as well being. (p. 36)

When we ingest marijuana, the heart swells through capillary enhancement and is fueled more by more fully oxygenated blood, while, at the same time, its contractions and expansions are greater, allowing for stronger pumping action to the rest of the body (p. 37)

As rigidity in the body is released or reduced by the action of marijuana, there is a corresponding reduction of mental tension that translates into a feeling of expansion and well being and explains the reverential attitude commonly expressed by marijuana lovers. (p. 39)

As the body’s workings can become more harmonious with marijuana, the functioning of the five senses can be noticeably improved ....In our discussion, the trigger to the high experience is marijuana, but many other activities can also produce it, such as jogging, chanting, fasting, isolation, meditation, and prayer. (p. 41)

The marijuana experience itself does not miraculously cure. Instead, it allows the body a respite from the tensions of imbalance, while exposing the mental confusion of the mind. The marijuana experience of balance becomes a learned and, over time, somewhat permanent response as the essential human tendency to homeostasis is reawakened and the natural healing process restored. (p. 49)

For a serious psychosomatic disease such as cancer, the benefits to be derived from marijuana cannot be overstated:
1. The causal element of unconscious (repressed) pain can be ferreted out.
2. The breath can be restored to fullness, thereby eliminating directly the built up toxicity and, at the same time, enjoining balance throughout the whole organism. A depressed system is a weakened system, and since it works holistically, marijuana gives strength where weakness exists, and expansion and relaxation where there is contraction and nervousness.
3. The more richly oxygenated blood that is in effect with marijuana can help to cleanse the poisons at the cellular level.
4. And a broader perspective through activation of the entire brain leads to positive feelings and thus eliminates the usual and debilitating attitudes so common in cancerhelplessness, depression, fear, resignation, and dread. (p. 60)

Application of Marijuana:

In a Costa Rican study, it was found that chronic marijuana smokers who also smoked cigarettes were less likely to develop cancer than cigarette smokers who didn’t use marijuana. Since marijuana (smoking, as well as ingestion by other methods) dilates the alveoli, toxins are more easily eliminated with cannabis use regardless of its method of application. Nicotine, on the other hand, constricts the alveoli, so it is likely that the use of cannabis neutralizes, or even overwhelms the constriction, by its own tendency to dilation ...As an aid for all psychosomatic disease, marijuana can benefit the participant, generally because of its health-restoring effects... The fear of marijuana... stems from its limitless potential for treating illness, in that both the pharmaceutical industry and the medical monopoly would lose billions of dollars if marijuana became the non-drug of choice. (p. 61)


PSYCHOLOGICAL BENEFITS

When we balance the Autonomic Nervous System, there is an effect on the mind that is both energizing and relaxing SIMULTANEOUSLY. In other words, we can think more clearly and more efficiently.

The following are excerpts from The Benefits of Marijuana:


Natural feelings of expansion that correspond to favorable perceptions, such as a sense of accomplishment, are experiences common to us all, What makes marijuana unique and beneficial is its ability to summon these states of well-being at will (p. 44) We might suggest that those hundreds of millions of people around the world who face marijuana to experience higher levels of life, do so specifically because of the great import they ascribe to being “ high,” i.e., feeling better, happier, more expansive, and therefore more tolerant and compassionate. (p. 4545)

Whereas marijuana results in an “altered state of consciousness,” the depressant drugs have been described as producing “altered states of unconsciousness” (Sugerman and Tarter), allowing for relaxation without awareness. (p.45)

Marijuana exposes things. When used over a period of time, it allows us to witness our many subtle motives which, under normal consciousness, are usually not noticeable. (p 46)

It was just this catalytic effect of marijuana to expose the unconscious and increase the patient’s vulnerability, while maintaining awareness and understanding that prompted psychologists (in the 1960s and 1970s) to utilize marijuana extensively in the therapeutic studies before the government ban (P. 47)

With the expansiveness that occurs with marijuana, the subject may begin to notice infinite possibilities to raise the quality of his/her life that would otherwise have remained hidden from normal, defensive consciousness. And feelings of health and happiness naturally lead to hope, which of itself can be curative. (p. 49)

Marijuana can act as the loosening agent, so that whatever has been banned from consciousness may come cascading forth. To uncover our deceptions without our usual rationalizations can be unpleasant, an experience that has turned many psychologically fragile individuals away from marijuana despite its therapeutic catharsis. (p. 50)

Regardless of the model used, marijuana resolves conflict by de-emphasizing extreme aggressiveness and stroking the receptive sides of human nature. This unification or balance, however, may be responsible for changes in goals and values. It Is the healthy balancing nature of marijuana that is most beneficial to the individual and most threatening to modern society. (p. 51)

When it first became popular in the West, marijuana was imported mainly from tropical zones, where the sativa strain of cannabis is indigenous. This type of marijuana is known for its “cerebral high,” having little noticeable body participation. No studies concerning the different effects of sativa vs. indica have been done, but from the lack of physical sensation, it is reasonable to assume more Sympathetic or stimulant qualities in sativa than indica (a cooler climate type). This is compatible with the notion that in hotter climates, less calming is desirable from a recreational substance, since hot climates in themselves cause lethargy. Many connoisseurs of marijuana prefer the sativa high, although in the last decade it has become very scarce due to domestic cultivation of strains that thrive in temperate zones (and indoors). “Cerebral highs” are experienced as lightness of thought beyond usual concern with self esteem. In relationships, a cerebral high attunes the participants to a less separate sense of themselves. Conversation is animated and a general feeling of camaraderie is in the air.

The indica strain of cannabis offers more of the “body high.” Depth rather than height best describes the subjective experience. Rather than freedom in the mind, the felt sensation is freedom of the body. This state more closely mimics deep relaxation. Thought patterns do not approach the clarity of thought of a “cerebral high.” In contrast, the “body high” is similar to the reverie that precedes sleep. While thinking may be diminished, more sensitivity to nonverbal experiences, such as music and color, comes into play. Physiologically, a true “body high” probably is the result of more Parasympathetic input. Participants ofen become quieter, since internal silence predominates.

Indica thrives in temperate areas, and as such it has become more popular with the American marijuana farmer. It is a shorter variety, thus it is more suited for the limits of indoor gardens and comes to fruition earlier in outdoor gardens. In less tropical zones, recreational substances are compatible with tempering the bustle usual to cooler climate cultures. As horticultural interest has grown, a cross between the indica and sativa species of cannabis has given the modern marijuana user the subtleties of both strains. Nowadays quality marijuana, grown in the US, is usually a hybrid of the indica and sativa varieties. (p. 56)

Marijuana will not tolerate repression. Tranquilizers and depressants relax the body and release tension, but the state of mind associated with these drugs is “unconsciousness” whereby we escape rather than resolve our dilemmas. Alcoholism is an extreme need of both the body and personality periodically to release the nervousness that has accumulated and continues to accumulate to an unbearable degree. It serves the same function for the collective personality for the society, as well A culture in which alcohol and tranquilizers are the prevalent form of release prefers not to witness internal confusion and actually choose to act without conscious participation, maintaining a semi-numb condition. (p. 56)


SPIRITUAL BENEFITS

That which enlivens is understood as the SPIRIT. In these times of secular values, when the life force is not recognized as being an expression of the holy, when in fact, the notion of a plane of existence beyond the material is not acknowledged, the search for meaning nevertheless perseveres.

Today, in these darkest of times, hundreds of millions who pursue the journey inward to the universal core values, find that marijuana facilitates the search. As a religious sacrament, intuitively recognized by all for whom the sacred beckons, marijuana has been employed for thousands of years, crossing all geographical and ethnic barriers. Marijuana not only balances the body, and enhances our mental processes, it can also help (some of) us to perceive the abiding reality by raising our consciousness.

The following are excerpts from The Benefits of Marijuana:

Meditation Is the ultimate tool for self-knowledge In the East, marijuana has been used to facilitate the process for millennia. (p.47)

The uncovering of inner confusion, so prominent with marijuana, is conspicuously absent with depressants. As the overall benefits of insightfulness obtained from its use lead to a greater freedom, marijuana is shunned by individuals who need a status quo in the personality or social position.
Sigmund Freud developed and expounded the understanding that we mechanically base our actions on programs devised throughout life, and many esoteric schools, ancient and modern, have taught the same. Being aware of these programs is very difficult since ordinary consciousness has within it the conspiracy to keep the mind comfortable and free of conflict This operates collectively as well as individually. Whenever confronted, this usual state of mind automatically assumes a defensive posture by relying on distorted rationalizations, which are evident in a repressive and intolerant social order. By contrast, the open and aware consciousness often leads to spiritual realizations, irrelevant in mainstream thinking. In today’s world, this understanding is uncommon. Higher morals and ethics, as propounded by organized religions, are agreed upon by the masses, especially during church attendance, but are otherwise too difficult to maintain when personal survival is at stake. Universal spiritual values, so often released with marijuana, can break down the conditioned defensive mentality.
It appears as if society, as well as the programmed, individual mind, needs to hold in check the notion that we love our neighbor as ourselves. There is no way that we can love our neighbor as ourselves, nor any way that our economy can subscribe to a policy of cooperation, when the very life of business enterprise is dependent upon “profit first and foremost.” Cooperation within free enterprise is a difficult reality so long as “me first” remains the primary motivation. A neurotic society, with its deeply imbedded habit of maladaptive coping methods, is resistant to change. Marijuana can be of tremendous benefit in exposing the distorted perspectives responsible for social, class, and racial conflict It can open the “doors of perception,” and thereby after the very core of the personality, by allowing a view of the transcendent values of human life. (p. 57)

In the area of private values, marijuana may offer benefits beyond the personal ego, which reach the dimension referred to by mystics and saints as the ever-present “now.” The experience addresses states of consciousness not common to the common man and resembles Maslow’s “peak experience.” (p. 65)

To ascend the ladder of consciousness, human beings need as much help as they can get. Levels of consciousness above concerns of personal survival and power are neither necessary for human life, nor visible from ordinary states. Because these higher degrees of awareness threaten the power structure, all paths to them are often outlawed. If we are not taught by some older, wiser person that deep and timeless perceptions really exist (or unless we ourselves fortuitously catch a glimpse of these subjective realities), we remain ignorant of their existence and are easily molded into the lower social goals of materialism, competition, and power. This less enlightened state is expressed by a constant gnawing dissatisfaction. It is the dimension of perennial desire. With each fulfillment of a goal /need / want, another void erupts. In Buddhism, it is the realm of nightmarish, insatiable hunger, which cannot be resolved unless or until the being attains to a less self-centered level. Deep within each of us, an essential need for a higher meaning of life waits to be awakened. Because of its ability to unlock this yearning and allow us a glimpse of the deeper reality, marijuana is feared by the establishment and loved by the user. (p. 66)

It is mainly because spiritual values are abandoned during eras of materialism that marijuana is banned today. And, ironically, it is because these values are so absent in the modern culture that the marijuana experience is so ardently sought. (P. 67)

Perhaps investigation into the higher human values could not surface in the industrial West until all imaginable physical, psychological, and social dysfunction reached dangerous proportions. (p. 67)

The Christian mystic de Chardin, explaining this same process, says, “physical energy must be mastered and grounded for spiritual energy to move, because physical energy transforms the spirit.” (Ferguson) Within the deep recesses of human understanding, the intuitive faculty steers its course. For many who are in touch with this sixth sense, the realm of the spirit is supreme. Anything that demonstrates a possibility for psycho/spiritual uplifting is known to be sacred. Marijuana is so recognized and revered. “Bhang brings union with the Divine Spirit.” (Indian Hemp Commission) (p. 69)

“Through balance, with time and interest, marijuana can enliven the Center of Knowing.” In the Theory of Vibration, this is the sixth level of development known as the “Knowledge Center.” What we refer to as the sixth sense, or intuition, derives from this esoteric symbol, which very often is depicted as a third eye, located at the midbrow. (p. 71)

As we have seen, many an argument against marijuana refers to the non-competitive nature it engenders. During the Vietnam War, one of the major problems of our soldiers was their inability to accept the brutality of their own actions. Our young men encountered marijuana at every turn in Asia (the Vietnam War was the beginning of marijuana use in this country, since it was the first time a status and educational cross section of America was exposed to it), and their reaction was often not in keeping with the insensitivity necessary for war. Their conscience bothered them. Gaining higher values, such as compassion, cooperation, and consideration, is a function of balance and a threat to a militaristic society. If we all became aware of our conscience, who would be left to maintain the indifference of the social order. The more we uncover the spiritual element in our natures, the more sensitive we become. Scrooge had no conscience until he experienced the spirit He was surely happier and healthier after his vision, but not wealthier, for his conscience dictated that he share. His new-felt sensitivity did not result from rules, fear, or his superego. It overflowed joyfully as an expression of his higher state of being.
Marijuana’s contribution to the developing spirit is cumulative. As bodily tensions are reduced mental fears dissolve, clearing the way to greater insight But, until the direct effect (physical balance) of marijuana on the body and the attendant side effect (high) of marijuana on the mind become familiar, the alterations themselves remain the focus of interest The “getting high” is the end in itself, rather than the understanding and insight that accrues a s the changed set becomes more a common. People who try marijuana and reject it do so usually because they feel uncomfortable and confused in altered, fuller consciousness. Instead of life being safely framed by the rigidity of the societal dogma, the wold becomes unfamiliarly bigger, brighter, fuller, yet less manageable, more unpredictable and full of mystery. A mind that has been bound and accustomed to a low charge or a selling without light very often finds the expansiveness of reality too highly energized. The light can be blinding and disorienting. Over time, and with regular intake, when these higher states of seeing are no longer the focal point of attention, a restructuring of values may emerge. (p. 72)

[www.youtube.com]

Interesting Post, Flex4life. My dad was a mess until he started smoking it regularly in the 70's. Then he became much easier to be around. It seemed to balance his emotions and his spirit. I have never known the reason it is illegal. I know the excuses, but for adults I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. Anything can keep you from being your best, but I think this stuff should be legalized.

I am a raw foodist and like to smoke pot a lot!!! I have good and bad experiences on it. However I do not believe in DOGMA that has been thrown out there. No rules consume what you want, do what you want!!! Your body will tell you if it is BAD FOR YOU just stay tuned in!!! If you want to smoke pot smoke it!!! You only have to answer to yourself!!!

P.S. Stop judging and start accepting none of us are perfect!!

P.S.S. Smoking pot, laying naked in the sun and eating yummy fruits...................AWESOME!!!!

This is all very interesting to read, thank you for sharing, everyone. =)

LaOveronique

To lead the stake out, or after it's over.?

Indiana Jones in "Raiders of the "Lost" Politicians?"
or
Indiana Jones in "Raiders of the Invincable Twinkie Factory?"

elntarual

thanks for that post, flex. very interesting.

what is sad is that the government and researchers ARE coming around to realizing the medicinal benefits of cannabis. and as is their wont, they are doing as they always do and compartmentalizing the plant, patenting it and creating a synthetic pharmaceutical. as with most nutrients in foods and medicinal properties in plants, the WHOLE PLANT is what's important. a perfect example is the oft-cited studies that carrots must be "bad for you" because when they extracted beta-carotene, and gave it as a supplement, it actually INCREASED levels of cancer in smokers. or how about all of the problems arising from researchers who learned of the benefits of soy protein, extracted the protein from the whole bean, condensed it, and sold it as a supplement, extract or fortification for consumers to use dozens of times a day, and then wondered why they didn't feel so healthy after a while? why won't researchers, or human beings, accept these lessons?!

chandelle

I started smoking pot at 16 and quit (for the most part) at 17.

Pot really helped to open my mind about a lot of things like religion and spirituality, war and peace, etc., but still, I feel I was lucky to be so quickly turned off to it.

Pot really does seem to eventually become addictive for a lot of people.

I agree that some people have "addictive personalities", and they are more likely to become addicted to whatever.

But I'm not sure if anyone on the planet exists who is capable of preventing addiction to a behavior that they tend to repeat consistently. It seems we do become whatever we practice to become.

I'm not 17 anymore, and for the last 4 decades I've had a lot of pot-smoking friends. Several of my friends began to react to pot the way I did, and they soon quit. But the majority of my pot-smoking friends openly admit that they've developed a dependency; and of these, only a few have been able to quit, though many now would like to.

My observation is that with pot, the addiction usually takes longer than with most drugs or alcohol. And there are some people - like me - who begin to have an unpleasant reaction to pot and just don't want to smoke it anymore. But drugs - and their capacity for addiction - are deceptive to the mind, and pot is no exception. Every addiction - including addiction to pot - always happens before you yourself are aware of it. Unfortunately, that is the nature of addiction. And no wise person should consider themselves to be the exception to the rule.

I would suggest that people think back to when they first started smoking pot. Why did you like it? Did pot make you feel happy and high and tuned in to a more subtle universe? Or, did you like pot because it made you feel more relaxed? I think most people don't BEGIN to smoke pot because it makes them feel more relaxed. But if you're feeling that way NOW about pot, and that's the reason you're smoking it, then there's a good chance that you've begun to develop a dependency.

After all, there's no reason why you shouldn't feel perfectly relaxed when you're not smoking.

Check out your relationships. When you don't have pot, are you getting into more arguments?

And, if you buy pot, is it a priority?

Here's something that many people who smoke regularly seem to have in common: they don't dream. And when they quit smoking, their dreams become extremely vivid and often scary. Something's not quite right there.

Someone very close to me quit several times for months at a time before he was finally able to quit altogether (over a decade ago). He says that when he smoked regularly, he would not get the same kind of high that he used to get, but after he'd quit for a while and then he'd start again, he would get that old high the first couple of times he smoked. Then it would be a letdown after that, but he'd have a really hard time trying to quit again. He tried really hard to get to where he could just smoke occasionally. But it just became impossible for him.

This friend definitely does NOT have an addictive personality. If you think this could not be you, you are wrong. Over time, this could be you. This friend smoked for about 30 years.

If people want to have psychedelics in their lives, I think that's a fine thing. But I'd suggest just this: don't smoke it. Eat it. Have your experience and learn from it. Have several experiences. But don't think you can improve yourself by making those experiences a regular part of your life. No drug, no plant, nothing on this earth will do that for you. In fact, thinking it will can be a first step toward dependency.

Dependency, rather than making you higher, will only lead to an overwhelming desire to satisfy yourself, and that desire will stunt your spiritual and emotional growth.

With love, not judgement. Hugs for everyone.

That said, I do think pot should be legal. And if it helps people get off harder drugs, it's a step in a better direction.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2008 10:22AM by suncloud.

Good to see you Suncloud.

I always enjoy your posts.

You always have something to teach or guide me.

All I know is that if I take one hit of marijuana I become high as a kite. I become paranoid, anti-social and my mind races. Some people love the high from it, for whatever reason it doesn't sit well with me. I have noticed that I have trouble communicating with pot smokers because they seem to be in a haze. Maybe they like being in a haze and it allows them to escape their troubles momentarity. Personally I want to live life and lucidly absorb every precious moment that I can (the good, bad and the ugly). I won't judge a person for smoking marijuana. I have realized that their personalities often are not compatible with my own.

PS. I am a big fan of hemp! It has the potential to be a environmental miracle. Hemp and marijuana come from two seperate types of plants. The hemp plant (used for fabric, nuritious seeds, paper etc...) will not get you high.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2008 03:22PM by Joanne81.

me too Joanne, i haven't smoked any since i was about 16. it puts me in the worst kind of spin, ugh! then again, i can't drink coffee or take narcotic painkillers (discovered that a la hospital, i thought the demerol was going to make me die) so maybe i am just extra sensitive. or maybe that's what other people experience when they take that stuff and they just like the feeling. whatever, it's not for me.
i moved back from the west coast a while ago and i gotta say it sure is nice to walk down the street and have most of the people NOT high on weed! Everybody grew it and smoked it out there and it sure was hard to communicate with them. i felt like it took a ton of effort to reach them intellectually and then what was the point? they couldn't really focus on anything for more than a second anyhow. here i was putting so much energy into conversations with total space cadets several times a day, it was exhausting! when people smoke it puts them into such a different head space, not one i care to join them in.

so, to each their own but none for me thanks!

Maybe the kind of pot smokers you guys have known were stupid and in a daze before they were pot smokers. Maybe they smoke to an excess. Like the difference between someone who drinks alcohol and someone who is an alcoholic.

You might miss out on fruitful relationships if you put people in negative categories like that.

well, if they were able to carry on a conversation and be present with me i probably wouldn't even think about whether they had been smoking or not. it's when someone is obviously in an altered state that i have trouble communicating with them. believe me, i have lots of friends who smoke, some recreationally and some chronic. it's the same though, even when the occasional smokers indulge i don't enjoy being around them. not that i don't want to be their friend anymore (that's kind of silly), i just don't want to be around when they get high. i prefer the "real" them, not the marajuana enhanced version.
come to think of it, i feel the same way about alcohol use. a glass of wine is fine but when it starts showing i no longer enjoy the company. i have tons of friends who drink too, i'll have a glass on occasion myself. but the goofy, silly, loud way people act when they are intoxicated just turns me off.