they say that self love is impossible

IMPOSSIBLE, i heard

u always need another

its wasteful, stupid and folly to try and love oneself

because

well


it simply cannot be done

in totality

it would be foolish to think otherwise

and

yes

this is true

to some extent

i suppose

but so what

what's the harm in trying?

what else is there to do?

when the world is caprice

and its inhabitants capricious?

must one blow in the wind

a slave to other's avaricious opinions?

jumping to the beat of a myriad external orders?

be that,, do this... be that.. do this..

self love

is the highest love

because it is freedom

from the caprice of others

but how to attain it?

how to attain it?

just like a seed is planted in the ground

and a child waters it in hope and blind faith

that it will sprout into a flower a plant an apple tree a mighty oak

like a child

one simply places a seed

through action

small action

one at a time

and water it

cultivate it

nourish it

grow it

what is that seed?

the seed lies in the mind

what one tells oneself

the seed lies in one's actions

what one does for oneself

the seed lies in how one is able to nourish and cultivate oneself

and feed the spirit

with light

and consistent nurturing

how does it grow?

miraculously

how does it sustain?

by sheer faith

how is it toppled?

in one moment

thus it is necessary

to persevere

and let it take root

to know it is a worthy goal

self love

it is freedom

it cannot be taken away

by other's caprice

self love

it is freedom

and it is the highest way

to love another

Beautiful!!!!

thanks sundancer

i truly believe this
its probably the deepest
most difficult
most necessary
most whatever
way towards freedom

but the thing is
how easy is it?
i don't know
i'm still on a journey myself

that's why its also cool to be out in the wilderness
alone
for several days

or maybe even weeks
or a year even

it shows where one is
cuz there is nothing else out there but oneself
and the trees
and the whispering wind

and an acorn dropping to the ground

none of these entities will judge or love or hate

they will just be absolute mirrors

so its even more important

or it becomes more apparent

what is within

You are so right La Veronique.

Two of the most powerful things I have ever learned are 1) that self-love is the foundation of true joy and happiness and 2) if one does not know self-love, it can be cultivated through cleansing and nourishing the human body, as this raises energy levels and optimizes brain chemistry.

cleansing is cool
tis true
one has less "distractions" within the system
to go within
and then one can find core
and that is the beginning
of cultivating core

another thing is this
if one is out in the wilderness and feels extremely lonely
what does that mean?


i think that if one is out in the wilderness and they conquer their loneliness
then they will make the best relationships with others

cuz they don't rely on the other which means they take responsibility for themselves and how they feel

but if they are out in the wilderness and can't conquer their loneliness
than the relationship they have with another person
might be based on need

which is kind of dangerous

anyhow

i didn't say it was easy
maybe it is near impossible

but like i said

so what?

its fun trying to go for the impossible

why not?

at least, there are degrees
and no one has to be perfect

thank goodness for that

Lav--
what a beautiful, BEAUTIFUL thread!!! Your poetry makes me weep! Dude, you know what it is all about!!!

hmmm.. well, there is the "knowing"

and then there is the "being"

and its a good thing i have a sense of humor about it

LOL

La Veronique-
Outstanding post. I totally agree with your statements. And I know that self love is definitely possible, it is the ultimate implication of finding one's true self. Once one finds one's true self under the dust and cobbwebs of the mind that gave itself away too many times, one can never look away. One is entrapped by that mirror that is one's true self, to look at that beautiful image, that glorious human being. The true self is a child that we all once knew, but still have the chance to know again. The true self is the truth and we are the brightly polished mirror showing the world the image of that truth. Self love is inevitable once one finds there true self, it might take time, but it will happen eventually.

hi cyclopsale

u must be buddhist

well... so i am curious what things people do to cultivate inner love

for me, sometimes it is just keeping organized to a high degree so that I don't spend so much time looking for things that I misplaced

it feels so cruel when things are disheveled and i need to get out the door and I can't find what i need for that day so that is one way i attempt to show self love

another way is nourishing my cells with highest vibrational nutrient content
that is my way of telling my self " you are valuable and important and thus you deserve the highest order of energy"

when i take a hike in nature, it is like leading myself by the hand and taking me to where i belong.... nature... i am not a part of nature.. i AM nature.. and its good to feel a part of it.. even though... sometimes it is scary having my own thoughts ricochet back to me in a vast and glorious space

I've never thought of organizing my space as self loving, though I'm a huge proponent of Feng Shui. It totally makes sense. I have a big problem with this, and maybe looking at it this way will help me to keep on top of it more. I'm gonna try it! Definitely eating well is self love. For me, setting aside "me" time, hiking, working out and doing the sauna at the Y, journal writing and drawing are self love things I do. And dancing!!!

meditate and praying,though they are the same to me.
I think we are never alone.I have always a being of light with me.Listening to my intuition and "contacting" my mentor-being of light is a self love act for me.

Organizing my space-- yeah, I can see the connection with self-love. (I never thought of it that way before, either, Sundancer.) But clearly when I'm going through a difficult time my housekeeping almost always suffers. Often when I finally get fed up with the clutter and messiness and start cleaning everything up, that's exactly the point where I start to feel better. Neat!!! (Pun intended, ha ha.)

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i like being organized cuz it saves a lot of time to do stuff that i love and that is self love

La Veronique-
I am actually a proponent of rational self-interest. This is why I believe that self love is so absolutely important a any being to live a fulfilling life. To cultivate my self love, I work on any problems I have discovered within myself, and I study philosophy and literature, in order to understand and discover these problems. After I have fixed the problems I have nothing but blooming to do.

oh okay cyclopsale

i said you must be a buddhist because lots of ...well most of.. if not all of the sects of buddhism deal with discerning illusion from what is real ( enlightened)

and your post intimated that

its all good

" rational self interest"

sounds chill too

sundancer

<<I've never thought of organizing my space as self loving, though I'm a huge proponent of Feng Shui>>

i never studied feng shui
but it seems kind of interesting
i wonder how many problems i could have alleviated by facing my desk to the north, south, east or west

it is rather intriguing, i think

fascinating!!

cy

<<I think we are never alone.I have always a being of light with me.Listening to my intuition and "contacting" my mentor-being of light is a self love act for me.>>

oh... i have heard about this
some people have a mentor being within
that they contact

sometimes it is literal
a being outside of themselves that they can call from within

any tips?

it interests me because i feel it is "free help"

why would i refuse?

especially if it has nothing but good intentions for me

La Veronique-
Yeah, it's pretty sweet to logically love myself. It's so relaxing to not have to worry about my problems, because I know that by my life, and my love of it, I can make choices to change the parts of myself I dislike. Freedom!!!

i'm all about freedom too

true freedom starts from within

La Veronique-
Exactly!

saw a yellow butterfly with thin black stripes bordering it and within its wings just a few seconds ago

butterflies

i wonder if they are free

i am freer than they are though

cuz i say so

I concur.lol

La Veronique,
call your "free" Being of Light and ask for anything good that He/She could give you.Get inside of yourself and you'll see them,you'll hear them.

already do

light is my engine

Beautiful post veronique.

I would just say that not only self love must be free, but also any other type of love. It is my personal belief that love is primarily based on respect and freedom.

<<what else is there to do?

when the world is caprice

and its inhabitants capricious?

must one blow in the wind

a slave to other's avaricious opinions?

jumping to the beat of a myriad external orders?

be that,, do this... be that.. do this.. >>

Those things to me do not sound like real love.

It's very important that freedom is inherent in love in my opinion, as force will irretrivably ruin a relationship otherwise.

Cheers,
J

i understood your post

i am still exploring "freedom"

freedom is being free of other people's love even

that is the beginning of true love

strange paradox

but highly essential if a relationship is to last
i understand this intellectually 100%

but the knowing
and the being are entirely different things

admittedly
but i do know this to be true

I like Nietzsche's concept of love, which La Veronique mentioned, in the respect that one must be free from other's love. One must be able to escape the need to have others love one's self. When one is able to escape from this need then they can see past the illusion of other's love. One can decide what one loves about one's self, then after finding that self love, one can truly love others, because one isn't inhibited by the illusion of what true love is. Before, one thought that true love was the love they needed from others, but they only changed their self to meet that love. Now, in realizing the love of one's self, one can be who one truly is and find love from those who truly love one's self. This is freedom and love coming together in perfect harmony, a man and woman coming together to have the perfect child, a free being, a loving being, a true being.
Looking past his blatant existentialism and subjectivism, he has some trully wonderful ideas. lol

hey cyclopsale

that is cool
i would like to read those passages that nietzche wrote

any references?
sometimes it is cool to see the exact wording
even though u made a marvelous synopsis of what he said ( despite the fact i didn't read it, it sounded like a great synopsis LOL

which book?
which chapter?
which page?

is this passage online somewhere?

been a while since i read nietzche