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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 04, 2011 02:01PM

Oh, I understand what you mean now, Tamukha.

You must be referring to The Journolist Scandal --

Journolist scandal: Liberals Planned Open Letter

Tucker Carlson Uncovers the Vast Conspiracy to Defend Barack Obama in 2008


[www.salon.com]

[en.wikipedia.org]

The Fix Was In - JournoList E-mails Reveal How the Liberal Media Shaped the 2008 Election

[www.nypost.com]

[online.wsj.com]

So the left's Journolist Scandal would be what you accused my sources of - On Steroids!

So any source connected to Journolist would not be credible - I'll remember that.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: Tamukha ()
Date: November 04, 2011 04:33PM

KidRaw,

The difference is that MSNBC may be echoing the New York Times about something that actually happened and can be corroborated by eyewitness or journalistic accounts from outside this circuit. This the exact opposite of what I posit as illegitimate.

You are using the fallacy of "false equivalence" here. Interesting. Also, I have explained my legitimate reasons for discounting the closed feedback loop of the two agencies I mention above and my objection is clearly not based on ideology, but on their frequent tendency of not reporting fact-based information and replacing it with outright disinformation. Your dislike of the agencies you mention, on the other hand, appears to be ideologically based. Once again, facts are facts--they have no ideology. The reportage may, but it must be based in reality, not falsehood, if it is to be considered legitimate.

It isn't logical to select data sources based on whether they are reiterating your preconcpetions or telling you what you want to hear. There is no place for the gut in this process; it should be rational. When it isn't, it results in one's accessing only biased sources that will not inform one of objective reality. One will be drawn away from what directly reflects reality and what has actually been said or is occurring in a particular situation. This understandably can become a serious long term problem, because it makes one suggestible to all kinds of specious information and become unaware that one is being fed false data in a vacuum. It makes one incapable of discerning good information from bad. I go to all kinds of so-called news sources and it's quickly obvious which ones are reporting fact and which ones are "reporting" conjecture or rumor. As a result, I know when I am reading something about OWS that will turn out to be false, as so many things lately seem to be: It sounds implausible on the face of it.

P.S.. You do realize the Salon piece is deriding everything in the other links you post, right?

This is becoming ludicrous . . .



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2011 04:43PM by Tamukha.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 04, 2011 06:06PM

Tamukha Wrote:
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> KidRaw,
>
> The difference is that MSNBC may be echoing the
> New York Times about something that actually
> happened and can be corroborated by eyewitness or
> journalistic accounts from outside this circuit.
> This the exact opposite of what I posit as
> illegitimate.
>
> You are using the fallacy of "false equivalence"
> here. Interesting. Also, I have explained my
> legitimate reasons for discounting the closed
> feedback loop of the two agencies I mention above
> and my objection is clearly not based on ideology,
> but on their frequent tendency of not reporting
> fact-based information and replacing it with
> outright disinformation. Your dislike of the
> agencies you mention, on the other hand, appears
> to be ideologically based. Once again, facts are
> facts--they have no ideology. The reportage may,
> but it must be based in reality, not falsehood, if
> it is to be considered legitimate.
>
> It isn't logical to select data sources based on
> whether they are reiterating your preconcpetions
> or telling you what you want to hear. There is no
> place for the gut in this process; it should be
> rational. When it isn't, it results in one's
> accessing only biased sources that will not inform
> one of objective reality. One will be drawn away
> from what directly reflects reality and what has
> actually been said or is occurring in a particular
> situation. This understandably can become a
> serious long term problem, because it makes one
> suggestible to all kinds of specious information
> and become unaware that one is being fed false
> data in a vacuum. It makes one incapable of
> discerning good information from bad. I go to all
> kinds of so-called news sources and it's quickly
> obvious which ones are reporting fact and which
> ones are "reporting" conjecture or rumor. As a
> result, I know when I am reading something about
> OWS that will turn out to be false, as so many
> things lately seem to be: It sounds implausible
> on the face of it.

Convoluted!

> P.S.. You do realize the Salon piece is deriding
> everything in the other links you post, right?

Yes, but I try to use as many liberal sources as I can for you guys smiling smiley

> This is becoming ludicrous . . .

That's for sure - I think you've exhausted the "Attack Their Sources as "Unreliable" When You Can't Win on the Facts" Card.

To summarize - because of JOURNOLIST all liberal sources are 'unreliable' and untrustworthy now.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: banana who ()
Date: November 04, 2011 09:36PM

Kid here's what I am curious about. You mentioned laziness and then you said how you were doing all the chores in the house and didn't make your kids (or do you just have one) do anything because they were in school. When I was growing up, I had chores to do: dishes, bathroom, and living room three times a week, in additon to cooking sometimes when my mom worked late and of course my room. I got allowance, too. I am interested on how you talk about all these "spoiled" OWS protesters and yet admit that you allowed your child to skate doing any chores. I realize that you are not necessarily defending your actions but it seems incongruent with the "pull yourself up by bootstraps" schpiel.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 04, 2011 10:16PM

spiel - or are you Jewish smiling smiley

Yes, I admit that we baby-boomers spoiled our kids by our working hard and giving them everything - like the electronics, parties, clothes, going shopping, going out to movies, restaurants, etc. And I admit that I am guilty of the same thing insofar as doing all the housework for my three kids - just one left at home now. My husband always had a fit that they should be doing chores around the house, but I had a big issue with how much homework the kids had and how they had to go to school all day and then do hours of homework at night and on the weekends, so I did it. I blame the schools. But when I say the OWS college kids are 'lazy', I mean they were given everything growing up and they expect to step into an entry level position in a white collar job as soon as they leave college, instead of taking any old job and working their way up, like the rest of us had to. That's what they mean when they say there are 'no jobs', they mean no high paying professional jobs. They're (not all, but I bet mostly) spoiled and too lazy to work at a menial job for years, like at McDonalds or as a waitress, stocking shelves, etc.

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I wanted to ask you or whoever is a Socialist something. What do you want to happen with the OWS crowd? What would you like the end-game to be? Do you want to overthrow the government? Do you want violence, riots? What do you hope to accomplish? Or do you just want specific goals - like Tax the Rich, overturn the Citizens Ruling, make it a law that everybody in America has to belong to a Union, redistribute the wealth so everybody is equal, everybody gets paid the same, lives in the same house, drives the same car, has the same stuff, same amount of stuff. Houses for all, education from baby through college for all, healthcare for all, jobs for all, food for all, everything is a 'right' - courtesy of the Government? Do you really think Socialism would work in this country - like you think it did in France or Denmark (which is has failed and now they all need bailouts because of the public unions)? Because we are huge and they are small, it would never work, like it never worked in Russia and China. Or do you want to work within the system and go on voting for who you think would represent your ideology?

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: banana who ()
Date: November 04, 2011 10:28PM

I have never lived in a house as an adult, never had a driver's license, cell phone, cable, etc. I never cared about those things although I want a little house now so I can go off the grid and get away from the massesL)

Yes, I would like some form of Socialism and I doubt the unions in France had anything to do with the "breakdown" but I suspect that like here, you had legal gamblers borrowing it to make themselves rich and then losing it. Greece was seduced into their loans, and how about this strange truth: Ghaddafi DIDN'T OWE ANYONE ANYTHING! In 2011, he was free of debt to any other country so they had to off him! He was trying to get other African nations to join him with a common currency, etc. Libya paid $1500 a MONTH to each household (citizen?) and 50K when you get married. Nope, he had to dieeye rolling smiley

These bastards are evil bastards. I am done with either party; I probably will never vote for them again. And I don't even think I'll vote for Paul after all...He said that he voted to get Bin Laden and it took too long. I am tired of that shite. Maybe it'll be Lyndon LaRouche for me, LOL

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 04, 2011 10:49PM

This was Ron Paul's position on bin Laden -

"His views on Osama bin Laden and terrorism were displayed two days after 9/11 when he authored a bill of Letters of Marquis and Reprisal - a Constitutional approach to capturing OBL and al Qaeda. This would have placed a bounty on the head of those who attacked us - saving trillions of dollars, putting the rest of the world on a bounty hunt for them, and potentially saving the lives of thousands of U.S. soldiers."

I think most of us in America were caught up in the 'we have to get them' mentality in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. I'm anti-war, but I remember buying the official story, hook, line and sinker, just after it happened.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: banana who ()
Date: November 04, 2011 11:23PM

So did I but I expect Paul (as a politician and leader) to not act first (or vote first) and ask questions later. He seemed to be trying to appeal to the warmonging vote. I don't dislike him but just felt let down a bit.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: November 05, 2011 12:29AM

I don't have an issue with capitalism, what I have an issue with is Big Corporate buying my g-d elected government with their dirty, dirty money. I do not want politicians to bow down to businesses that have cash to lobby and contribute to campaigns, I want them to do their JOBS and represent the people. No more raping the environment, no more sneaky trade deals, no more selling natural resources to other countries, no more massive layoffs and outsourcing while turning enormous profits, no more bullsh!t. That's what OWS is about, plain and simple and too dang complex to even think through completely. It's a confusing issue, it's no wonder people don't quite get it.

"Don’t confuse the complexity of this movement with chaos." Fave quote.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: Tamukha ()
Date: November 05, 2011 10:19AM

Right, coco. It amazes me that patriotic Hamiltonian [real] American capitalism has been perverted and usurped by the failed Von Mises Friedmanites whose only successes have been in anti-democratic dictatorships. Yet they think, in spite of history, that's the way to go here. They think that everyone fighting the disaster capitalism that attends this failed economic philosophy is a commie or a soshulist, rather than people who wants a just society where everyone has the means to succeed as their talents, skills, and ambitions allow. The protesters want civilization, as other functional democracies express it, not degenerative plutocracy, which always devolves into dictatorship. Who wants that, seriously? The dictator always ends up the loser in the end!

I have also found that most people throwing around the communist/socialist/anarchist epithets have an understanding of these terms that stopped with junior high social studies! O tempora! O mores!

Well, I have clearly broken the rule about avoiding economics and politics on these Forums--sorry Prana! That's it from me!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/2011 10:20AM by Tamukha.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: brome ()
Date: November 05, 2011 04:44PM

Well said Tamukha, BananaWho and Coco.

Here's an excellent article by Bill Moyers:

[www.truth-out.org]

short excerpt:

Quote

Barack Obama criticizes bankers as “fat cats”, then invites them to dine at a pricey New York restaurant where the tasting menu runs to $195 a person.

That’s now the norm, and they get away with it. The President has raised more money from banks, hedge funds, and private equity managers than any Republican candidate, including Mitt Romney. Inch by inch he has conceded ground to them while espousing populist rhetoric that his very actions betray.

Let’s name this for what it is: hypocrisy made worse, the further perversion of democracy.
Democratic deviancy defined further downward. Our politicians are little more than money launderers in the trafficking of power and policy – fewer than six degrees of separation from the spirit and tactics of Tony Soprano.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: banana who ()
Date: November 05, 2011 06:20PM

Brome, what about the Greens? I am glad to hear people disgusted by BOTH parties. Tam, I don't think this discussion has been all that partisan. Kid Raw and Brome seem to agree with some of the same things that I do and even you and Coco. And this ain't no disco anymore. Now with the raiding of raw dairy farms and co-ops, the powers-that-be are really tightening the screws so we have to stay conscious.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 05, 2011 08:21PM

Watching this Live -

[www.rawstory.com]

Talking about Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 05, 2011 10:44PM

This is what the OWS movement has degenerated into --

Occupy DC Protesters Attack Conservative Gathering; Harass Women And Children

[tv.breitbart.com]


Occupy Protesters Use Children to Block DC Convention Center

[www.examiner.com]

Seeing those two old women they knocked over really got to me, and who would take a little kid to something like that with a violent mob.

If that's who they are, I want no part of it.

************

They are everything they accused the Tea Party of being - extreme, racist, violent - on steroids. Hypocrites

**********

Deranged Homeless Man Goes on Violent Rampage in Zuccotti Park

[www.nypost.com]

[www.youtube.com]

They are the 20% (Liberals/Socialists/Marxists/Communists) and they're on full display for the rest of us.

[campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com]

[www.rightcondition.com]



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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: November 06, 2011 07:27AM

The local group is talking about building a chicken coop on site. Our city council wouldn't even look at a feasibility study for backyard hens last year even though thousands of residents were interested.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: brome ()
Date: November 06, 2011 09:54AM

Bananawho, up until I read the Bill Moyer's article I thought that the Democrats were the best we could manage. But they're selling their souls to the devil too, just not as bad as the Republicans. I think you're right, the Greens are the ones we should be backing. Moyer's gives a really excellent history of how the country was sold out in his speech (link in my previous post).

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: November 06, 2011 04:12PM

yes evil protestors.how dare they? I love my govt and wall st.
How dare these millons world wide? Lets just say they are all the same A?



It looks like some people are clueless as to who these peoples protesting are world wide. If you go out to this so called degenerate protest, you will see that its peoples from all walks of life. good luck hanging jackets on all. you and the govts will need to spin harder to stop this over due revolution

there are asss in every large gathering, to blame the whole is just stupid,and doing exactly your spin doctor wants. hook line and sinker again for some.
Anyway its not going away this time spin or not
PEACE TO THE COTTAGES- WAR ON THE CASTLES

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: November 06, 2011 04:24PM

The Corporate Type
Headhunters stalking very big game
Search for tigers who, yet, are tame,
Rugged types who will not bite
And always say the boss is right.

Wall st is toast.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: November 06, 2011 04:33PM

A Farewell Note To
The Stock Market
Dear Dow:
I care naught for you now
The bumps and grinding of thee
Have lost meaning for me.

Once your numbers were powered
When the job market flowered
And only went dour
When housing turned sour.

Main Street now grows poor?
You just shrug and ignore
Only sink, sag or soar
Based on quarterlies' score.

So I'll seek a new measure
For assets I treasure
The Street's hopes and fears?
The veers of its wares?
Who cares?
Who cares?

*****

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: banana who ()
Date: November 06, 2011 05:00PM

Also, remember that there could very well be plants acting like asses to make OWS look bad.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: November 06, 2011 05:14PM

Good point Banana who, govt will go the full tilt to protect corpes amerika.
I dont think they can put a lid on it this time. wall st only works if we stay in the dark.
Eyes of the world are on the beast.
Im expecting govt provoked problems, FBI Cointel ect.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 06, 2011 07:46PM

riverhousebill said:
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> my govt and wall st.
> you and the govts will need to spin harder
> govt will go the full tilt to protect corpes amerika.


So riverhousebill is also saying that 'govt' is BAD. Is he saying that Wall Street is the tail that wags the dog (Govt)? Or does he agree with me that Government controls Wall Street?

riverhousebill doesn't seem to realize that OWS and this Government administration are both of a like mind - blame Wall Street, demonize the Rich, kill capitalism, etc. OWS is doing the Government's Bidding, and all the Dem/Libs are applauding OSW because it strengthens their agenda - More Bigger Government

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I'm saying there are levels. The government is the top level, so why doesn't OWS demonize The Government? Wall Street is about the third level down. (Regarding what caused the Housing Crisis, which is what crashed the Economy supposedly)

1. Government (greenspan, HUD, Fannie Freddie)

2. Big Banks/Mortgage Brokers (Mortgage Bankers had to concock ways to make it worth something to them, and then repackaged to someone else ( Wall Street) until there were no more derivitives and credit default swaps.

3. Wall Street

4. Real Estate Brokers

So is there any reason that OWS is Protecting the Head of the Snake - The Government?

Yes, there is -- OWS Loves Government and Wants More Government bossing Banks and Wall Street and Corporations and Businesses and everybody and everything. Hence, they blame "Wall Street". Government Created this problem in the first place and Government cannot fix it, only ever make it worse.

1. The Government (Bill Clinton)(with the Democrats - Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) passed the Community Investment Act, which FORCED BANKS to give risky loans to those who should have no business buying a house in the first place.

"In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods."

2. Banks HAD TO give risky loans to homebuyers who couldn't afford a house through Mortgage Brokers.

There were even protests and intimidations of banks by ACORN (sound familiar?)

[www.nationalreview.com]


Planting Seeds of Disaster
ACORN, Barack Obama, and the Democratic party.

"Obama’s close ties to ACORN leader Madeline Talbott, who personally led Chicago ACORN’s campaign to intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to low-credit customers. Using provisions of a 1977 law called the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), Chicago ACORN was able to delay and halt the efforts of banks to merge or expand until they had agreed to lower their credit standards — and to fill ACORN’s coffers to finance “counseling” operations like the one touted in that Sun-Times article. This much we’ve known. Yet these local, CRA-based pressure-campaigns fit into a broader, more disturbing, and still under-appreciated national picture. Far more than we’ve recognized, ACORN’s local, CRA-enabled pressure tactics served to entangle the financial system as a whole in the subprime mess. ACORN was no side-show. On the contrary, using CRA and ties to sympathetic congressional Democrats, ACORN succeeded in drawing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the very policies that led to the current disaster."


3. Banks and Wall Street concocted complicated investment vehicles to protect themselves from the risky mortgages that THE GOVERNMENT FORCED on them.

Wall Street is at the bottom, so how stupid is it to blame the bottom feeders rather than the head honcho?

Banks/Mortgage Brokers WERE FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT to Devise products to put people into homes when they couldn't afford it.

How about going after the Real Estate Brokers - that's about how stupid going after "Wall Street" is.

******

O'S DANGEROUS PALS
BARACK'S 'ORGANIZER' BUDS PUSHED FOR BAD MORTGAGES

[www.nypost.com]

"THE seeds of today's financial meltdown lie in the Community Reinvestment Act - a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.

CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in "subprime" loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.

Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA - and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.

In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America's financial institutions.

Banks already overexposed by these shaky loans were pushed still further in the wrong direction when government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac began buying up their bad loans and offering them for sale on world markets.

Fannie and Freddie acted in response to Clinton administration pressure to boost homeownership rates among minorities and the poor. However compassionate the motive, the result of this systematic disregard for normal credit standards has been financial disaster."


So if you want to blame somebody for this whole mess the Economy is in, blame Obama, ACORN and the Democrats - THE GOVERNMENT !

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: November 06, 2011 08:30PM

Our local site is promoting a pledge drive for our local radio station. I love this.

[windsorshakeup.wordpress.com]

Stories and music from the Uni campus and beyond...

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: November 07, 2011 06:16PM

Kid raw I say eat the rich Whops Im sorry its a raw veagan site Again Govt is corpes amerika lap dog. lobby folks say jump and govt says how high. GET IT???
thats where I stand kid I blame Mr money Bags. most wall st investers only care about profit not the cost. Like Lady Bird Johnsons investment is war goods a week before her husband LBJ esculated that Holacost. Im a vet lost many good friends in that blood bath about wall st profits. dont tell me kid what its about I lived it .
And its always been a wall st war. So I say PEACE TO THE COTTAGES WAR ON THE CASTLES.



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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: ivac ()
Date: November 07, 2011 08:02PM

Interesting!



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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 08, 2011 01:31PM

So many negative stories on the OWS Protesters every day -- thefts, deaths, rapes, violence, vandalism......

OWS Goes After The 1% – Hot Dog Cart Vendors

SoCal Street Cart Vendors Hurting After ‘Occupy’ Group Splatters Blood, Urine

[losangeles.cbslocal.com]

"Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent."

So the Entitlement Crowd gets violent after Freebies are stopped --

Sound familiar (Greece, etc.)

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: November 08, 2011 02:31PM

This thread is just about as realistic as this "earth quake".

Be forewarned, NSFW!

[www.youtube.com]#!

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: KidRaw ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:57PM

Excellent Article explaining Government Unions and why they've destroyed the European Countries - Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, France, Spain, etc. - and may soon destroy ours --

Understanding Government Employee Unions

[brainshavings.com]

FDR Said -

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable."


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[www.nytimes.com]

What about Greece, a country rife with corruption and cronyism, that spends more on privileged groups like public-sector unions than its shoddy tax collection system could possibly generate?

In the first decade of the euro, unit labor costs among all the PIIGS, France included, rose steeply whereas in Germany that curve stayed pretty flat. Wages that rise faster than productivity are a nice shorthand for the culture gap. On one side stand the Northern Protestants with low deficits and debts as well as modest wage increases. On the other side are the “Club Med” members with short working weeks, early retirement, rigid labor markets, expanding state sectors and sheltered markets."


Why doesn't OWS protest Government Unions?

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: November 08, 2011 09:20PM

So many negative stories on the OWS Protesters every day -- thefts, deaths, rapes, violence, vandalism...... OWS Goes After The 1% – Hot Dog Cart Vendors SoCal Street Cart Vendors Hurting After ‘Occupy’ Group Splatters Blood, Urine So many? can anyone produce figures here? also how many peoples world wide involved. Yes so many storie, facts and figures???? We dont need no stinkin facts and figures here. just stories. That kind of spin to throw a movement into a bag and jacket it sucks I think. It was done to us by FBI Cointell pro in earth first days in northern Ca. by the way We sued the FBI here in Ca and won the largest judgment ever paid out by that lawless agency Bari and Cherney. The spin Im hearing now sounds like a stinken ghost from the past. I get worked up on this because of priceless lives snuffed by what in my mind resulted from wall st industrys and makes me sick when our own people atack our allies and tag them as pointless negs. Let me ask you Kid raw what percent of the demonstrators are we talking here? you did say the movement has degenerated into this above. So Im wondering what percent made this a degenerated movement. Fox News versus Occupy Wall Street - the real "No-Spin Zone" The Occupy Wall Street ("OWS"winking smiley protesters continue to be the target of insults, lies and misinformation by right-wing media outlets like the Fox News network. Last night, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly, an outspoken critic of the OWS protesters, had some choice comments about the protesters – the movement has been hijacked by the lunatic fringe; the crazies have taken over the asylum; and these are professional agitators with a heavy dose of hard core criminals. O’Reilly went on to claim that “all” the polls do not favor the OWS protesters. Fox’s prime time blowhard must have missed a few polls including an online poll conducted for the University of Massachusetts at Lowell that was released on Sunday. The poll shows OWS conjuring more favorable impressions among the public than their wealthy corporate targets. Among 1,005 adults surveyed, 35% had a favorable impression of the protest movement. Only 16% could say the same for Wall Street and large corporations. Twenty-nine percent had a favorable impression of the Tea Party movement, and 21% of government in Washington. Fox News versus Occupy Wall Street - the real "No-Spin Zone" Add a comment Leo Kapakos, NY Political Buzz Examiner November 8, 2011 -The Occupy Wall Street ("OWS"winking smiley protesters continue to be the target of insults, lies and misinformation by right-wing media outlets like the Fox News network. Last night, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly, an outspoken critic of the OWS protesters, had some choice comments about the protesters – the movement has been hijacked by the lunatic fringe; the crazies have taken over the asylum; and these are professional agitators with a heavy dose of hard core criminals. O’Reilly went on to claim that “all” the polls do not favor the OWS protesters. Fox’s prime time blowhard must have missed a few polls including an online poll conducted for the University of Massachusetts at Lowell that was released on Sunday. The poll shows OWS conjuring more favorable impressions among the public than their wealthy corporate targets. Among 1,005 adults surveyed, 35% had a favorable impression of the protest movement. Only 16% could say the same for Wall Street and large corporations. Twenty-nine percent had a favorable impression of the Tea Party movement, and 21% of government in Washington. Fox News versus Occupy Wall Street - the real "No-Spin Zone" Add a comment Leo Kapakos, NY Political Buzz Examiner November 8, 2011 - Like this? Subscribe to get instant updates. 4 SharePrintEmail 4SharePrintEmailThe Occupy Wall Street ("OWS"winking smiley protesters continue to be the target of insults, lies and misinformation by right-wing media outlets like the Fox News network. Last night, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly, an outspoken critic of the OWS protesters, had some choice comments about the protesters – the movement has been hijacked by the lunatic fringe; the crazies have taken over the asylum; and these are professional agitators with a heavy dose of hard core criminals. O’Reilly went on to claim that “all” the polls do not favor the OWS protesters. Fox’s prime time blowhard must have missed a few polls including an online poll conducted for the University of Massachusetts at Lowell that was released on Sunday. The poll shows OWS conjuring more favorable impressions among the public than their wealthy corporate targets. Among 1,005 adults surveyed, 35% had a favorable impression of the protest movement. Only 16% could say the same for Wall Street and large corporations. Twenty-nine percent had a favorable impression of the Tea Party movement, and 21% of government in Washington. "If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything" Malcom X



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Posted by: Diogenez ()
Date: November 08, 2011 10:14PM

^hijacked amygdala

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