powerlifter Wrote:
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> This is why Dr Wilson only recommends Kelp and
> only certain brands of Kelp also. The alginates in
> brown seaweed species such as kelp bind to the
> trace amount of metals and aid detoxification.
>
> Natures Way is a good brand and is tested,
> certified organic.
>


Certified organic doesn't mean they tested for heavy metals. And without specifically testing doing the work Mike Adams is doing, you have no idea how much, if any, is being detoxed or if you're exposing yourself to even more toxicity.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:11AM by Prana.

la_veronique Wrote:
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> sproutman
>
> <>
>
> r u saying that natural news is slandering the
> kelp company in order to prevent people from
> taking kelp?
>
> so they can sell you potassium iodide? and also
> prevent you from accessing your pineal gland?

l am not going to conclude anything about Adams except call him a suspect and dodgy researcher. He is on my radar because my intuition tells me loud and clear to be careful.

It was unfair of me to bring up the potassium iodide issue. It wasn't an accusation, but l did bring up the question of maybe when l said "Maybe they want people to avoid the seaweeds so they can sell them the dangerous potassium iodide".

I will be keeping him at arms length until his business shows proper credibility. But that being said, much of his work is good, but l am not prepared to fall for any lies or exaggerations thrown in...that's why it's important for people to be credible and report all sources of information. I don't want to hear fancy theories, and l don't want to read about lab reports from funny sounding labs with nameless people, and l don't want to be reading his website where he does not source much of his information. This is how disinfo agents work. I am not going to accuse his of disinfo, but l won't be supporting this man until he lifts his research game.

It's so easy to fall for lies on the internet. A lie is a deception, and a deception is a curse because it puts you in a false reality. And living under a deception is a product of satanism. I am not saying he is lying or decieving because l don't have proof, but he certainly hasn't proven to be fully credible for the reasons l mention.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> la_veronique Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > sproutman
> >
> > <>
> >
> > r u saying that natural news is slandering the
> > kelp company in order to prevent people from
> > taking kelp?
> >
> > so they can sell you potassium iodide? and
> also
> > prevent you from accessing your pineal gland?
>
> l am not going to conclude anything about Adams
> except call him a suspect and dodgy researcher. He
> is on my radar because my intuition tells me loud
> and clear to be careful.
>
> It was unfair of me to bring up the potassium
> iodide issue. It wasn't an accusation, but l did
> bring up the question of maybe when l said "Maybe
> they want people to avoid the seaweeds so they can
> sell them the dangerous potassium iodide".
>
> I will be keeping him at arms length until his
> business shows proper credibility. But that being
> said, much of his work is good, but l am not
> prepared to fall for any lies or exaggerations
> thrown in...that's why it's important for people
> to be credible and report all sources of
> information. I don't want to hear fancy theories,
> and l don't want to read about lab reports from
> funny sounding labs with nameless people, and l
> don't want to be reading his website where he does
> not source much of his information. This is how
> disinfo agents work. I am not going to accuse his
> of disinfo, but l won't be supporting this man
> until he lifts his research game.
>
> It's so easy to fall for lies on the internet. A
> lie is a deception, and a deception is a curse
> because it puts you in a false reality. And living
> under a deception is a product of satanism. I am
> not saying he is lying or decieving because l
> don't have proof, but he certainly hasn't proven
> to be fully credible for the reasons l mention.


Well actually in his most recent video he said that potassium iodide wasn't beneficial at all in detoxification in regards to heavy metals.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2014 08:09PM by jtprindl.

> Well actually in his most recent video he said
> that potassium iodide wasn't beneficial at all in
> detoxification in regards to heavy metals.


Maybe you and I were the only ones to watch the video.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> This is why Dr Wilson only recommends Kelp and
> only certain brands of Kelp also. The alginates in
> brown seaweed species such as kelp bind to the
> trace amount of metals and aid detoxification.
>
> Natures Way is a good brand and is tested,
> certified organic.
>


Dr. Wilson seems to be unfamiliar the really good stuff. I'm not.
For quality, Larch Hanson's products are over the top...

[www.theseaweedman.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:11AM by Prana.

l will watch the videos when l have some time to spare, and l will fully investigate his claims on calcium blocking copper. Flat out at the moment.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> To get organic certification you do have to
> conform to levels for heavy metals, bacterial
> count etc. At least you do with soil association
> and such.
>


The USDA places zero limits on levels of heavy metal contamination or synthetic chemicals either.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:11AM by Prana.

"Potassium iodide doesn't protect you against dietary radio nucleoids. Iodine supplements, they're designed to protect you from really one thing and that's radioactive iodine, or iodine 131, the 131 isotope, which by the way has a really short half-life, about a week... A lot of people are buying potassium iodide not realizing that that doesn't protect them at all from radioactive food"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2014 08:34PM by jtprindl.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Potassium iodide doesn't protect you against
> dietary radio nucleoids. Iodine supplements,
> they're designed to protect you from really one
> thing and that's radioactive iodine, or iodine
> 131, the 131 isotope, which by the way has a
> really short half-life, about a week... A lot of
> people are buying potassium iodide not realizing
> that that doesn't protect them at all from
> radioactive food"


Here is a recent thread about some of the science of the various iodines. The posts are post # 4 & 5 down in response to Prana's question.

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2014 08:44PM by The Sproutarian Man.

so, some companies say they do a lot of "testing" for heavy metals etc.

okay, fine

but what do they do in terms of purification?

how do they purify to begin with?

because the water molecules in the ocean don't exactly follow immigration laws and the delineations of artificial boundaries

how do they ' control " heavy metals entering their products from the wide open ocean

i never understood that

there is no such thing as "pristine"

ocean anywhere

powerlifter Wrote:
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> > Ive had nothing but great results from natures way
> Kelp for years, so im not away to stop now. Dr
> Wilson says these are the brands that regularly
> test for heavy metals and are safe.
>


I dare you to open a few capsules and make a cold soup with them. You will be puking.

Larch Hanson is extremely environmentally aware and very careful to harvest sustainably. He does not buy from a bunch of subcontractors that don't care about anything and trail oil and gas behind their boats with bad motors like the other leading "organic" sellers do. He has apprentices and his whole operation is done thoughtfully and is beautiful. I love supporting businesses like his. There aren't that many of them.

Although he is not raw vegan he never heats his seaweed over 80 or 90F, (I can't remember the heat exactly off hand). He does not boil it like so much of the orient does before packaging.

Every seaweed he has I have made soup of in my VitaMix straight from the bag in a minute. It is real food. Seaweed is way better to eat as a food that than popping it as capsules. It tastes so good and fresh and alive.

You owe it to yourself to at least check out his site and blog.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:11AM by Prana.

la_veronique Wrote:
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> > suez
>
> >
> i get my kelp from a local health food store
>
> but i don't know what's in it
>
> and i posted a thread on growing your own
> seaweed
>
> but no one bit the bait in a feasible fashion
>
> so i best create my own clean ocean

I just caught this in review. Wild seaweed is the way to go, IMO, la_veronique. Wild nori tastes so much better than stanky ag/industrial processed nori, for instance. So do the rest of the seaweeds.

Personally I wouldn't touch post Fukushima Pacific seaweed. When Fukushima happened I immediately called Eden Foods, where I used to buy my seaweed, and bought a lot of the stock they had left in their warehouse. I was told they were very low on stock at that time and that their ship was pretty close to Japan when the tsunami struck. Their ship only felt a small bump from that. Anyway, Larch Hanson's seaweed is much better tasting than Eden's, IMO, a lot less expensive, too.

la_veronique Wrote:
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> so, some companies say they do a lot of "testing"
> for heavy metals etc.
>
> okay, fine
>
> but what do they do in terms of purification?
>
> how do they purify to begin with?
>
> because the water molecules in the ocean don't
> exactly follow immigration laws and the
> delineations of artificial boundaries
>
> how do they ' control " heavy metals entering
> their products from the wide open ocean
>
> i never understood that
>
> there is no such thing as "pristine"
>
> ocean anywhere

Most of the industry uses more of a fertilizer grade than food grade type of kelp for their encapsulated supplements. One of the advantages of buying food grade kelp that is harvested sustainably is that the plants are only one to two years old. The fertilizer grade and food grade kelp,s which have been harvested less carefully, can be up to fifteen years old. This certainly will have an effect on toxin load. It certainly matters taste wise, too.

You also want your kelp harvested far away from danger zones like nuclear power plants. If you buy from companies that don't use independent contractors you know where your seaweed comes from and how it was harvested. Otherwise, you don't unless you harvest it yourself.

This is the seaweed I buy after much research. I think it's wonderful.
[www.theseaweedman.com]

I like Larch Hanson's site. Sounds like a very cool guy.


SueZ Wrote:
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> powerlifter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Ive had nothing but great results from
> natures way
> > Kelp for years, so im not away to stop now. Dr
> > Wilson says these are the brands that regularly
> > test for heavy metals and are safe.
> >
>
>
> I dare you to open a few capsules and make a
> cold soup with them. You will be puking.
>
> Larch Hanson is extremely environmentally aware
> and very careful to harvest sustainably. He does
> not buy from a bunch of subcontractors that don't
> care about anything and trail oil and gas behind
> their boats with bad motors like the other leading
> "organic" sellers do. He has apprentices and his
> whole operation is done thoughtfully and is
> beautiful. I love supporting businesses like his.
> There aren't that many of them.
>
> Although he is not raw vegan he never heats his
> seaweed over 80 or 90F, (I can't remember the heat
> exactly off hand). He does not boil it like so
> much of the orient does before packaging.
>
> Every seaweed he has I have made soup of in my
> VitaMix straight from the bag in a minute. It is
> real food. Seaweed is way better to eat as a food
> that than popping it as capsules. It tastes so
> good and fresh and alive.
>
> You owe it to yourself to at least check out his
> site and blog.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:11AM by Prana.

HH, I agree. When I was young I probably would have signed up for an apprenticeship with him.

I was thinking the same thing. That house of his is so beautiful. Would love to spend some time in that part of the country and learn some carpentry and kelp harvesting.

SueZ Wrote:
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> HH, I agree. When I was young I probably would
> have signed up for an apprenticeship with him.

suez

in response to your reply, (above)

once again

what are the methods for purification

any filtration systems?

E-3 Live (Klamath Lakes) says they have a purification method... never explained what it was though.

or do certain waters magically become "pristine" completely un influenced by the tides and movements of currents ( u say that they should not harvest near nuclear power plants... that's a given... but before the power plant issue was even extant, heavy metals have always existed in the oceans)

testing is fine

the question is how did they get their seaweed to be FREE of any heavy metals

did they just magically come upon pristine waters?

if so, that's a miracle

la_veronique Wrote:
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> >
> what are the methods for purification
>
> any filtration systems?
>
> E-3 Live (Klamath Lakes) says they have a
> purification method... never explained what it was
> though.


I have a few pounds of pre Fukushima Klamath lake blue green algae around but for me it's just in case of emergency. I don't trust it for some reason I don't understand. Just feels like there is something wrong about it to me. Does any wildlife on Lake Klamath actually eat it?

My guess is that their filtration system consists of washing it off, lol. But I don't know anything.

One thing that is pretty self evident is that the younger seaweed is harvested the less time it would have had to accumulate heavy metals. I like to stick with the young stuff.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2014 10:03PM by SueZ.

SueZ Wrote:
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> la_veronique Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > what are the methods for purification
> >
> > any filtration systems?
> >
> > E-3 Live (Klamath Lakes) says they have a
> > purification method... never explained what it
> was
> > though.
>
>
> I have a few pounds of pre Fukushima Klamath
> lake blue green algae around but for me it's just
> in case of emergency. I don't trust it for some
> reason I don't understand. Just feels like there
> is something wrong about it to me. Does any
> wildlife on Lake Klamath actually eat it?
>
> My guess is that their filtration system
> consists of washing it off, lol. But I don't know
> anything.
>
> One thing that is pretty self evident is that
> the younger seaweed is harvested the less time it
> would have had to accumulate heavy metals. I like
> to stick with the young stuff.


[www.stemcellnutrition.net]

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> [www.stemcellnutrition.net]
>
> > een-algae
>
> I still disagree with that website claims that AFA
> is not toxic and that science has failed to reveal
> any of these toxins, because there is mounting
> research that Klamate Lake algae can contain these
> toxic microcystins and anatoxins and there liver
> and nervous system damaging effects.
>
> [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] -
> Assessing potential health risks from microcystin
> toxins in blue-green algae dietary supplements.
>


If that were true then why isn't everyone (or most) getting sick from products like E3 Live? Why would it have such amazing testimonials if it were toxic?

'Reports that AFA contains toxic proteins have proven to be incorrect. Not only have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of individuals consumed AFA with relatively few cases of side effects, scientific research has indicated that AFA is clear of toxins and that the toxicity of other algae forms may be the source of the confusion.

In Primordial Food, Drapeau reports “In Klamath Lake, nearly ten years of intense testing has failed to reveal the presence of any neurotoxins in its AFA. In 1998 the opinion among scientists was that AFA did not contain neurotoxins and that the original samples that had been identified as AFA were likely another species”. He goes on to cite a Wright State University study examining algae genetics that indicated the samples of algae believed to be toxic were not AFA but in fact belonged to the Anabaena genera.'



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:10AM by Prana.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If that were true then why isn't everyone (or
> > most) getting sick from products like E3 Live?
> Why
> > would it have such amazing reviews if it were
> > toxic?
>
> Plenty of people have reported bad anecdotal
> effects from E3Live and AFA/Klamath Lake over the
> years. I remember when it first came on the market
> years back, it was the latest hyped algae from the
> likes of Cell Tech, who also claimed it was
> non-toxic and that they tested there samples for
> microcystins. Various samples showed higher than
> acceptable microcystins.
>
> AFA is very nutritive like many other algaes, the
> downside is that its sourced from a very toxic
> lake which is anything but pristine as claimed by
> manufacturers of the product. As such i wouldn't
> trust it, when there are safer algae choices such
> as chlorella.
>
> That site you linked just outright lies because
> like the link i pasted there and a number of
> studies showing microcystins, anatoxins and
> various other toxins found in AFA from Klamath
> Lake.
>


Where do you have evidence that "plenty of people" have reported bad effects? Besides, those "negative" effects could very well just be detox symptoms that people were unaware of due to the vast amounts of chlorophyll and nutrition, flushing the body of toxic waste and inducing a healing crisis.

You posted a study from 14 years ago and in a future study of the genetics of the algae, it revealed that the toxicity wasn't from AFA but from another type of algae.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:10AM by Prana.

There is just as much negative anecdotal reports as there is beneficial. I wouldn't buy into testimonials from any supplement manufacturers websites like those.

Believe what you wish, there are plenty of studies showing AFA to contain these toxins.

Aphanizomenon flos-aquae is known to produce endotoxins, the toxic chemicals released when cells die. Once released (lysed), and ingested, these toxins can damage liver and nerve tissues in mammals. In areas where water quality is not closely monitored, the World Health Organization has assessed toxic algae as a health risk, citing the production of anatoxin-a, saxitoxins, and cylindrospermopsin.[10] Dogs have been reported to have become ill or have fatal reactions after swimming in rivers and lakes containing toxic A. flos-aquae. Reactions are most likely due to consumption of the bacteria rather than exposure to the skin.

Microcystin toxin has been found in all 16 samples of A. flos-aquae products sold as food supplements in Germany and Switzerland, originating from Lake Klamath: 10 of 16 samples exceeded the safety value of 1 µg microcystin per gram.[11] University professor Daniel Dietrich warned parents not to let children consume A. flos-aquae products, since children are even more vulnerable to toxic effects, due to lower body weight, and the continuous intake might lead to accumulation of toxins. Dietrich also warned against quackery schemes selling these cyanobacteria as medicine against illnesses such as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, causing people to omit their regular drugs.

Here is a study from 2005 which found these toxins again in AFA from Klamath Lake. [kops.ub.uni-konstanz.de]

Many consumers as it stated have reported negative effects from AFA. It says inlight of the findings, human consumption appears highly questionable and id agree. Your not happy to consume toxic metals but your not worried about potential liver and nervous system damaging toxins, which are damaging/deadly in very small doses.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2014 11:07PM by powerlifter.

"There is just as much negative anecdotal reports as there is beneficial."

Where?

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "There is just as much negative anecdotal reports
> as there is beneficial."
>
> Where?

In the exact same places where there are positive anecdotal reports like on this forum and other alternative health forums.

Here is another study from 2008 that warns against consuming AFA and many samples again exceeding "safe" microcystin levels. Why you'd want to consume any of these damaging toxins is beyond me, the return simply isn't worth it when there are generally safer algaes such as chlorella. Each to there own though.

[translate.google.com]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2014 11:14PM by powerlifter.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "There is just as much negative anecdotal
> reports
> > as there is beneficial."
> >
> > Where?
>
> In the exact same places where there are positive
> anedotal reports like on this forum and other
> alternative health forums.
>
> Here is another study from 2008 that warns against
> consuming AFA and many samples again exceeding
> "safe" microcystin levels. Why you'd want to
> consume any of these damaging toxins is beyond me,
> the return simply isn't worth it when there are
> generally safer algaes such as chlorella. Each to
> there own though.
>
> [translate.google.com]
> n&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=ht
> tp%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20080501124225%
> 2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-konstanz.de%2Fnews%2Fmittsh
> ow.php%3Fnr%3D12%26jj%3D2008


I take both chlorella and E3 Live... besides E3 Live tests for toxins and other contaminants. Still waiting on those negative reports even though you likely don't have them.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> I take both chlorella and E3 Live... besides E3
> Live tests for toxins and other contaminants.
> Still waiting on those negative reports even
> though you likely don't have them.

If you don't think that the several studies above showing microcystins is negative then, im not sure why your interested in some anecdotal accounts which you'll likely write off as detox or imposters as usual.

E3Live do claim to test but if you ask them they don't supply the data ive heard. As can be read on this site to there response.

[www.foodasmedicine.ca]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2014 11:24PM by powerlifter.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I take both chlorella and E3 Live... besides E3
> > Live tests for toxins and other contaminants.
> > Still waiting on those negative reports even
> > though you likely don't have them.
>
> Lol if you don't think that the several studies
> showing microcystins above is negative then, im
> not sure why your wanting some anecdotal accounts
> which you'll likely write off as detox or
> imposters as usual.
>
> E3Live do claim to test but if you ask them they
> don't supply the data ive heard. As can be read on
> this site to there response.
>
> [www.foodasmedicine.ca]
> /


I'm sure some batches of AFA were found to be contaminated. Just like you can find vitamin, mineral, superfood, etc. supplements on the market today that are contaminated. A lot of manufacturers are careless about where they source and on top of that don't even test for anything because it's all about profit.

On top of all of the proven benefits and testimonials, here's what Brian Clement had to say on the matter:


"Well, let’s start and go back 15 to 16 years ago. Victor Kulvinskas , some of the listeners may know him, the author of a book called Survival in the 21st Century, came to me and said, do you realize in Asia, for instance in Japan, 65 percent of the population gets up daily and takes a supplement called algae? My immediate reaction was, gee, that sounds very strange, but he is wise enough to send me a compilation of research that had been collected over a 50 year period, globally, and I was absolutely dumbfounded. I knew nothing about this and I read diligently and within a matter of about 30 days, I started my first research studies at the Institute, this was about 15 years ago. And what we did is separate the 294 people into two groups. One (group) was on a clay we put in veggie capsules and we were telling them they were on algae, the other half of the group of approximately 150 were on algae. Then we did a double blind study for about 18 months. And our socks were blown off because here we were believing we had the top program, dietarily, in the world with the proof of thousands of people healing disease on it and fighting off aging as I have done and everyone else who’s on it and I was shocked when I put people on this along with everything else we were doing. They were getting even healthier"

“For the first three years I actually thought it was the trace minerals and the minerals that were in it that are unique to that lake. It is a volcanic ash lake and around it was a very active volcanic mountain. At the bottom of that lake, was laid about 8 to 10 feet of sedimentation. To top it all off, when you hear Oregon, you think rain. In this part of Oregon it hardly ever rains. It’s sunny practically every day. With this heating sunlight, the phytochemical process that goes on there is unique to any place else in the world. So now, at first, I thought this is what it was. It was the mineralization. Now, listen carefully, what I’m going to say is the most important thing I’ll probably talk to you on today. I have files of guests who have come here over the last 40 to 50 years- blood tests and history are there. Now, as a scientist, the one thing that I was sure of is that constitutions never change. A constitution is really the state of physiological health that a person is born with, that literally comes down from ancestry, grandparents, parents, etc. Now, one can have a bad or a weak constitution as do most people below 80 in our culture. Almost everyone listening today below 80 has a weak constitution. Living an impeccable lifestyle, eating well, having positive attitudes, exercising and living a healthy lifestyle will create longevity. But, we thought, gee, you can never change the constitution. Having a weak constitution, if you can picture it, it’s like pouring cement but not putting enough water or putting too much water in it and it’s the foundation of your house and you’re going to have cracks and crevices and holes in it. Now, what I started to see after three years of observation and blood profiles is that constitutional states started to get strong and healthy. Now, this blew my mind because I had to speak to 20 different scientists I knew who are much brighter and wiser than I on the subject and all of them basically said it’s impossible and by the end all 20, along with me, realized that this is what was happening. You are actually, by taking this algae, filling up the foundation of who you are physiologically, as well as your health, your neurological system, your organ system, the blood, everything that has to do with you as a physical being with strength. So now, if you have a strong constitution with an impeccable life style, guess what? You will not only have a long healthy life, you will have a longer, higher quality and a much healthier life and be fighting off the aging process. What we discovered is that this life form, fresh-water algae, (AFA known as LifeGive Live) was the very first life form on this planet that spread and allowed all other life to occur because it created the oxygen.”



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2014 11:24PM by jtprindl.

Why is that this Brian Clement continually claims (or posters claim for him) that he or his Institute make all these studies (see double-blind above), but they never seem to appear anyplace? Does he make paper airplanes out of them? Like I posted previously, PubMed shows zilch for him, the only study shown was a rather minor one done not by his Institute but by a New York university at the HHI premises. I've never had that very basic question answered so I'll ask yet again.

i got chlorella from mountain rose herbs

all their stuff is supposed to be organic



does anyone have more indepth info on it other than its "organic"

interested

whatever anyone says, know this : it smells good

Seem Klamath Lake has been ruined by centuries of human ignorance.
[en.wikipedia.org]

This article did remind me that during the 2001 Klamath Falls "war" the farmers who were being cut off from irrigation water to their crops to save an endangered bottom feeder fish, which the native Americans supposedly cherished, were throwing around a lot of accusations.

Apparently the rich people, including a bigwig politician, didn't like that their yachts in the lake were sinking so low with the drought that year and decided to take action to stop it. Another accusation was that the booming algae industry tycoons wanted to take over the lake and drive the farmers, who were originally WW11 vets who had been given the land by the government, off the land anyway they could and were using the native Americans to accomplish that goal. It did come out later that the native Americans had never really had any interest in the sucker fish. I don't know what all came of that except that a lot of the farmers lost everything. Not a very good vibe. Aside from that ,though, something just seems wrong to me about that algae.