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Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: June 02, 2017 04:52AM

DeSmog
Jennifer you have been Bamboozled by The good ole Professor
posting his nonsense.

Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science

Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can’t even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious “doctor of science” that Ball claims in these articles.

UPDATE: to make matters worse, it looks like Ball’s “global warming is good for us” message is running front page in the right-wing uber site, The Drudge Report.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you’ll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball’s former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: “[The money’s] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry,” says Prof. Cooper. “It’s also from foundations and individuals. I can’t tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals.”

Here you’ll find a podcast of Dr. Ball talking to the Ottawa Citizen , saying that he goes out of his way to ignore who might be paying his bills, but crediting the energy industry lobby firm, the High Park Group . And here, you’ll find High Park Group veteran Tom Harris, telling the Toronto Star that his new industry front group, the Natural Resources Stewardship Project , was created at the suggestion of High Park Group president Timothy Egan.

Tom Harris, executive director of the NRSP, is credited by New Orleans Lady for passing along this version of the Ball tirade, also printed Monday on the right-wingy website, Canada Free Press. Yet all of these factual inconsistencies have been brought to Harris’s attention on previous occasions.

It is inevitable that this post will be criticized as an ad hominem attack on dear Dr. Ball (and perhaps on Harris, as well). But how can you argue science with someone who doesn’t feel bound by the limits of truth?

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has just endured an unprecedented process of vetting and peer-review to produce a document, the veracity of which has been double-checked and endorsed by thousands of the best scientists in the world. It must be soul-destroying to see a long-retired geographer who rarely published during his colourless academic career and who never conducted any research in atmospheric science dismiss that effort without a shred of evidence or a hint of good conscience



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Re: Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: June 02, 2017 08:05AM

Ball also seems to be a creationist of some sort. In an op-ed in Canada Free Press, he wrote:

“”Even though it is still just a theory and not a law 148 years after it was first proposed, Darwinian evolution is the only view allowed in schools. Why? Such censorship suggests fear of other ideas, a measure of indefensibility.[9]

On his website, he attacks Richard Dawkins and claims science, evolution, and environmentalism are religions. He also believes that the Bible's predictions have been just as verified as those made by science:


“”Perhaps the ultimate irony[10] is that the biblical views on nature, human roles and responsibilities are as logical as any other including modern environmentalism.[11]

When you take his global warming denialism together with creationism and his admiration for Immanuel Velikovsky,[12] there's clear evidence for crank magnetism.

This is the type of Dung deniailist use as evidense to argue thier point,
Alt Right. fills another vacum.
Trump and his band of fascist are on and enjoy A FACT FREE DIET that is clear
Jennifer Do you feel you might have been missled by Professor Ball?
Got any real science that says 91 million barrels a day, An Olmpic size swiming pool burned every 15 seconds in not fouling our nest mother Earth?
Denaiist may have cost us the last chance to turn this soot stained world around.
Coal in your stocking! One giant step foward two right wing turns backward
the Trump Dance of Death.
All that freakin fuel burned every 24hours in a very limited atmospher.
These folks must not be able to fathom our limited atmospher, thinking its enless maybe???
Sure is proof to me that a large group of people today HAVE SURENDERD THEIR
COMMON SENSE

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Re: Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: June 02, 2017 11:12PM

We should not allow a tiny minority of shoddy scientists and science and extreme ideologues to compete with scientific fact,"
John

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Re: Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: June 04, 2017 01:38AM

Jennifer what do you think of Tom Harris?
Is he an embarrassment or would you quote him?
just wondering after your quoted Tim Ball.
Maybe people should check to see if claimed degrees from univeritys are real?
Tim Ball is one big counterfit do you see that now?

Another propagandist spreading disinformation Tom Harris
I think you should check the sorce first as a safe guard against Deception and out right lies. I say again denialist may have cost us our only chance to counter Global warming threat to planet, Decades of critical time wasted, thanks to denilism.

Bogus climate course “a source of embarrassment to the institution”

An energy industry public relations man and lobbyist with no background in climate science has infiltrated Carleton University in the Canadian capital of Ottawa, teaching a course on climate change denial that other Carleton professors describe as “a source of embarrassment to the institution.”

Tom Harris, who originally trained as a mechanical engineer, has been a strategist for the climate change denial industry for at least a decade. A favourite presenter misrepresented as a PhD at the Heartland Institute’s regular climate change denial conferences, Harris has worked directly for companies like the international PR giant APCO Worldwide or for energy industry lobby firms such as Toronto’s High Park Group. More recently, he has launched or led at least three phony “grassroots organizations” – energy industry front groups that promote confusion or denial in climate science.



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Re: Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: June 04, 2017 08:45PM

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riverhousebill

Jennifer what do you think of Tom Harris?

Is he an embarrassment or would you quote him?

Maybe people should check to see if claimed degrees from univeritys are real?
Tim Ball is one big counterfit do you see that now?


I like Tom Harris just fine. Glad he's out there fighting the good fight for us instead of kowtowing to the libs.

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Re: Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: June 05, 2017 05:33AM

quote Jennifer I like Tom Harris just fine. Glad he's out there fighting the good fight for us instead of kowtowing to the libs.

I guess it do not matter whats in a mans resume, you whine about Liberals but offer no argument only support.
i will say this gain in response to your support of this counterfit Harris-

We should not allow a tiny minority of shoddy scientists and science and extreme ideologues to compete with scientific fact,"

Tom Harris, who originally trained as a mechanical engineer, has been a strategist for the climate change denial industry for at least a decade. A favourite presenter misrepresented as a PhD at the Heartland Institute’s regular climate change denial conferences, Harris has worked directly for companies like the international PR giant APCO Worldwide or for energy industry lobby firms such as Toronto’s High Park Group. More recently, he has launched or led at least three phony “grassroots organizations” – energy industry front groups that promote confusion or denial in climate science.

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