10 March 2016

Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 'ShitShow'

[www.independent.co.uk]

Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “ShitShow” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.

Referring to that mess in private, Mr Obama reportedly uses the more colourful term, “ShitShow”.

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Barack Obama blames David Cameron for Libya descending into a "ShitShow"

[www.mirror.co.uk]

10 MAR 2016

He said Libya is a “mess” as a result and privately refers to the country as a “ShitShow,” because it has become a haven for ISIS

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Original article -

JEFFREY GOLDBERG - APRIL 2016 ISSUE

[www.theatlantic.com]

Mess is the president’s diplomatic term for what U.S. intervention left behind in Libya; privately, he calls it a “ShitShow.”

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Obama Blames Cameron For Libya Becoming A "ShitShow"

[www.buzzfeed.com]

The remarks came during a wide-ranging and frank foreign policy discussion with The Atlantic.

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So yeah - Obama says Libya became a 'Shitshow', and nothing. But a Lib lies and says that Trump said '@#$%&' and all hell breaks loose around the world and he's a 'racist'.

Double Standard!

Social media is questioning whether there was a lack of attention over former President Barack Obama’s use of vulgar language in reference to escalating violence in Libya following the death of Muammar al-Gaddafi. Why is this an issue? In a meeting with lawmakers on protection for immigrants, President Donald Trump had allegedly called developing world countries including Haiti and some African states “@#$%&” countries. Many has since called Trump a racist while others have defended him.
People on social media have now raised a question over whether there is a double standard as to Obama and Trump from the media’s perspective. However, Snopes reported that there was a difference between the use of the foul language by the two presidents. They explained that Obama allegedly used the term “@#$%& show” in private among staffers to refer to the escalating violence in Libya after al-Qaddafi’s death.
Where did the questions surface about the hypocrisy over the media’s lack of reporting as to Obama’s vulgar language? Truth Feed News claimed that Obama used the term “@#$%& show” in reference to Libya and that the remark was ignored by the media. However, Snopes found it odd that Truth Feed News ignored their own evidence as they referenced two mainstream reports in their article about lack of media attention.




So, it comes down to how you interpret both Obama and Trump’s vulgar language to describe other countries. Whether you thought that Trump was reaction to immigration into this country from a racist perspective and whether you believe that Obama was focused on the violence and not the people. Although Obama and Trump both used a similar vulgarity, these remarks were spoken in different contexts.

Was there media attention over Obama’s coarse language? Snopes noted that the former president’s language was first mentioned in an interview with The Atlantic:
“So we actually executed this plan as well as I could have expected: We got a UN mandate, we built a coalition, it cost us $1 billion—which, when it comes to military operations, is very cheap. We averted large-scale civilian casualties, we prevented what almost surely would have been a prolonged and bloody civil conflict. And despite all that, Libya is a mess.”
Mess is the president’s diplomatic term; privately, he calls Libya a “@#$%& show,” in part because it’s subsequently become an ISIS haven—one that he has already targeted with air strikes. It became a @#$%& show, Obama believes, for reasons that had less to do with American incompetence than with the passivity of America’s allies and with the obdurate power of tribalism.
“When I go back and I ask myself what went wrong,” Obama said, “there’s room for criticism, because I had more faith in the Europeans, given Libya’s proximity, being invested in the follow-up,” he said. He noted that Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, lost his job the following year. And he said that British Prime Minister David Cameron soon stopped paying attention, becoming “distracted by a range of other things.”
Obama issued a stern warning for Trump: “One of the things that Michelle figured out, in some ways faster than I did, was part of your ability to lead the country doesn’t have to do with legislation, doesn’t have to do with regulations, it has to do with shaping attitudes, shaping culture, increasing awareness.”
What did you think of Obama having used a vulgarity when describing a country during his presidency? Do you think their is a double standard as to Obama and Trump?

Interesting! I didn't even know all those facts.

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Does "Cameron allowed it," mean the UK should have stopped Obama from destroying the Libyan government? Because Libya was Obama's fault.

Yet Obama blamed Camaron for something he and Hillary did. Obama, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton are responsible for how things turned out in Libya. Obama actually blamed Libya on the UK when it was the US who pushed for the UN Resolution and dropped most of the bombs.

Libya was Africa's richest country. Obama bombed Libya and destroyed their air force and crippled their military. This turned the tide of the war in favor of the terrorists, leading to the death of Gaddafi. We killed Libya's leader, and then Obama blamed David Cameron. Libya became many times worse as a direct result of his policies and started practicing slavery and genocide of black people as a result of Obama’s policies, becoming a hotbed for the slave trade, and in constant civil war.

What if it had been Trump blaming the UK saying the UK was responsible for turning Libya into a 'ShitShow?

Double Standard...

So, it comes down to how you interpret both Obama and Trump’s vulgar language to describe other countries. Whether you thought that Trump was reaction to immigration into this country from a racist perspective and whether you believe that Obama was focused on the violence and not the people. Although Obama and Trump both used a similar vulgarity, these remarks were spoken in different contexts.

Thanks Prana for posting that image of Gaddafi listing all of the GREAT things he was doing for Libya and I especially like how it starts off where he was DEMONIZED...

Muammar Gadafi
DEMONIZED BY THE WEST, BUT HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT LIBYA UNDER GADDAFI

As I’ve pointed out in many of my Posts and Videos, Gaddafi was doing GREAT things for Libya just like Hitler was doing GREAT things for Germany and they were both doing the same thing - they both KICKED the BANKERS out of their country - they both Printed their own Money and as a result, these Countries and people were Flourishing and PROVING to the World that we Live on an Abundant Planet and what did the Powers that Be do?

The Powers that Be [the ones who Print our Money at the cost of paper and ink and then, charge us the Face Value PLUS Interest and use that surplus of Money to Own and Control Major Sector of Human Endeavor so they can Rule the World] want us to believe in Scarcity and they cannot allow anyone to Break Away from their Money Game and Prove to everyone else that we Live on an Abundant Planet, so what these Sick Psychopaths did was they ATTACKED Hitler & Gaddafi - they DEMONIZED them - they LIED about them - they DESTROYED them and their countries, just like they do to anyone who doesn't want to Play their Sick Money Game and become Debt Slaves.

Remember, anyone who Exposes the Powers that Be or anyone who Breaks Away from this Sick Money Game where someone else Prints your Money is ATTACKED & DEMONIZED!!!

Here is an older Post of mine where I shared a snippet from my File Preview on Gaddafi for those who would like a written version along with Prana’s visual version:

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Re: Lincoln, Hitler, Kennedy & Debt-Free Currency…
Posted by: John Rose
Date: February 27, 2017 01:02PM

They also did the same thing to Gaddafi...

Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know

• 1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right
• 2. Education and medical treatment were all free
• 3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project
• The largest irrigation system in the world also known as the great manmade river was designed to make water readily available to all Libyan’s across the entire country. It was funded by the Gaddafi government and it said that Gaddafi himself called it “the eighth wonder of the world”.
• 4. It was free to start a farming business
• 5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies
• 6. Electricity was free
• 7. Cheap petrol
• 8. Gaddafi raised the level of education
• 9. Libya had Its own state bank
• 10. The gold dinar
• Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the footsteps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term “United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.
• The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.
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I’ll add another Thread of mine to my next post that also Connects these obvious Dots.

Here is another one of my Threads that Connects all of this back to Usury:

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The Holocaust, Hitler, Germany, Japan, Libya, Lincoln, Kennedy, Muslim, Usury Connection
Posted by: John Rose
Date: December 07, 2017 11:30AM

Warning - you have to have a working brain to see this obvious Connection, which will soon be illustrated by one or more people who obviously do NOT have a working brain.

In order to understand the Truth about the Holocaust, we must first understand the Truth about Hitler and in order to understand the Truth about Hitler, we must first understand the Truth about the Rulers of the World and in order to understand the Truth about the Rulers of the World, we must first understand the Truth about Money, or more specifically, Usury and how Usury or the Loaning of Money at Interest is how the Rulers of the World have Conquered and Enslaved most of the Nations on this Planet.

Once we understand how the Printing and Loaning of Money at Interest is a Deadly Game that only the International Bankers can Win, then we’ll understand why anyone who refuses to Play this Sick, Deadly Money Game is Attacked and Demonized so the rest of us won’t figure out how we’re being Conquered and Enslaved.

For example, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy tried to Stop Playing this Money Game and as a result, they were both assassinated. Germany, Japan and Libya Stop Playing this Money Game and as a result, all 3 of these Countries were Attacked and Demonized because all 3 of them were successful and were Proving to the World what happens when you Stop letting Private Run for Profit Banks Print your Money and then, Loan it at Interest, thereby, sinking your country into endless Debt.

Now we must ask ourselves, why is there a War against Muslim countries?

The reason why the Powers that Be are waging a War against Muslim countries is because Muslims still forbid Usury and they do Not want to be turned into Debt Slaves like the rest of the Planet. The founders of the United States understood how Usury works and so do the International Bankers, as is reflected in the following quotes.

“There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” -John Adams

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -Thomas Jefferson, 1802

"Give me control over a nation's currency, and I care not who makes its laws." -Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1743 - 1812)

“REMEMBER MY CHILDREN, THAT ALL THE EARTH MUST BELONG TO US JEWS, AND THAT THE GENTILES, BEING MERE EXCREMENTS OF ANIMALS, MUST POSSESS NOTHING.” -Mayer Amschel Rothschild on his deathbed, 1812.

Not all Jews are Zionists - Not all Zionists are Jews.
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riverhousebill
So, it comes down to how you interpret both Obama and Trump’s vulgar language to describe other countries. Whether you thought that Trump was reaction to immigration into this country from a racist perspective and whether you believe that Obama was focused on the violence and not the people. Although Obama and Trump both used a similar vulgarity, these remarks were spoken in different contexts.

You got that exactly right! They both are describing 'THE COUNTRY', Not 'THE PEOPLE'!

Libya is a ShitShow and Haiti is a HellHole. (I just like that word better.) But here's the thing - Both Trump and Obama are both describing the Country, not the People. What Dick Durbin and the whole world who is a Lib did is - to try to infer that Trump was describing "The People" and then branding him 'Racist' for calling The People of the Country lesser or whatever.

So yeah, plus the fact that Trump never did say the word '@#$%&' anyway...
So you can see why it bugs me so much when stuff like this happens that the Libs pull their stunts to smear the other side. And why it looks like I'm sticking up for Trump. I'm just trying to bring the light of day to what I consider dishonesty and expose the fraud.

And if a country is a ShitShow or a @#$%&, is it 'the People' who made it so? No, It's The Government, The Rulers who are The @#$%& who ruined the country.

Thanks, Larry Elder, for all the fine examples to support my case against the racemongers -

Yes, the hypocrisy -

The Great Sh@thole Hypocrisy

[townhall.com]

Breaking news: President Donald Trump uses profanity.

When Trump's apparent use of the word "s---hole" makes headlines, one cannot help but recall the analysis of the media provided by President Obama's deputy national security adviser and foreign policy speechwriter. In discussing his perception of reporters' ignorance of foreign affairs, Ben Rhodes said: "Most of the outlets are reporting on world events from Washington. The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That's a sea change. They literally know nothing."

Presidents curse.

President Lyndon Baines Johnson taped himself cursing and using racial epithets. President Richard Nixon taped himself cursing, using racial epithets and making anti-Semitic comments. Then-presidential candidate George W. Bush was caught on a hot mic calling reporter Adam Clymer a "major-league a--hole from The New York Times." Former ABC reporter Ann Compton says that on at least two occasions, President Barack Obama launched into off-the-record "tirades" against the media. In one case, Compton described the President's scolding as "profanity laced."

But in Trump's case, critics claim his recent use of profanity corroborates, underscores and advances the narrative that the President is "racist." Here's what happened. In a "bi-partisan" White House discussion about the immigration debate, Trump reportedly referred to Haiti and African countries as "s---holes," and wondered why America takes in more immigrants from Africa than from countries like Norway.

Out came the pitchforks. One Democrat, Texas Rep. Al Green, not only pronounced the President "racist," but says that his alleged racism constitutes grounds for impeachment, apart from the findings of the special counsel.

What about President Obama?

He, too, made a Trump-like statement about the cultural superiority of one group over another. In April 2016, The Atlantic published an article about President Obama's foreign policy challenges, a frustrated Obama complained about the difficulty of achieving peace in the Middle East. Obama said, "If only everyone [in the Middle East] could be like Scandinavians, this [achieving peace] would all be easy."

Note to Rep. Green: Norway is Scandinavian country. Again, Obama made the same point as did Trump -- yet no one called Obama "racist."

Obama also called Libya, an African country, a "s--- show" following his admittedly failed military intervention in 2011. He blamed its tribal divisions: "The degree of tribal division in Libya was greater than our analysts had expected. And our ability to have any kind of structure there that we could interact with and start training and start providing resources broke down very quickly."

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham used harsh language in describing countries to our south. Graham, in 2013, said: "The people coming across the southern border live in hellholes. They don't like that. They want to come here. Our problem is we can't have everybody in the world who lives in a hellhole come to America." Where were the racism-watchers then?

Few Trump-haters appear to have read "The Dark Side of Camelot" by former New York Times writer Seymour Hersh. He writes that President John F. Kennedy was warned about a wealthy, high-profile Democrat, who not only supported another candidate but tried to get evidence of Kennedy's alleged extra-marital liaisons. Later, when some Senators pushed for a high-profile ambassadorship for this Democratic donor, Kennedy did not forget. "I'm going to f--- him," Kennedy said. "I'm going to send him to one of those boogie republics in Central Africa." "Boogie republics" does not sound like a term of endearment.

Then there's Kennedy's treatment of Sammy Davis Jr. The gifted singer/actor/dancer/musician/comedian campaigned hard for JFK in the 1960 presidential race, and even postponed his wedding to a white actress until after the election. Davis feared his marriage might alienate voters who disapproved of interracial marriage, so he waited until after Kennedy won to get married. But after Kennedy got elected, the newly married Sammy was uninvited to Kennedy's inauguration, to appease those offended by the high-profile marriage.

As for Trump's "racism," he must be putting forth policies to harm blacks, right? But Trump seeks to empower urban parents through education vouchers so that parents can opt out of an underperforming public school. Trump wants to stop illegal immigration. Economists like Harvard's Jorge Borjas claim that urban American workers without high school diplomas face competition for jobs against unskilled illegal workers, who also put downward pressure on the wages of these U.S. workers.

In an era where activists unfairly brand police as racist profilers, Trumps supports the cops. The bogus Black Lives Matter movement has caused an increase in murder and other types of violent crime in cities like St. Louis, (right outside Ferguson) and Baltimore. The victims of this increased crime are disproportionately black -- the very people the activists purport to care about. In one year of the Trump administration, blacks have seen an increase in the labor force participation rate and blacks are enjoying record low levels of unemployment.

If Trump wants to practice racism, his incompetence has been staggering.

If Trump wants to practice racism, his incompetence has been staggering


You may be right about that Jennifer.

Trump is lucky that he has a few supporters like your self who will back him up!

Yesterday Qanon said Obama has retained legal counsel. Could it be for this :

Obama protected Hezbollah drug ring to save Iran nukes deal





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Let's see. Reagan let Contras sell drugs to pay for missiles for Iran, and Obama let Terrorists sell drugs to pay for weapons for the Iran deal.

I'm confused. Why does Iran always come out on top in these deals

Could this be?

Prana, I don't think so here is why



Id say that storys like this are part of the Mass Hysterical Reaction to the First Black President being elected in U.S. history.

I expected to see this kind of reaction with racism being in such a deep state Polluting the DNA pool in Amerika!

It could be you just cant stand democrats and has nothing to do with being A racist. I would understand on that note. as I said before both partys stink of RICO.

Its clear to me Prana you are not a fan of Obama? with your postings on this man, am I wrong?

That's why I feel when you posted the Joan Rivers quote with out explaining what she was really saying, Obama Gay and wife a Tranny it was meant as a slur, and nothing else. Again what was the point of posting homophobic comment??? still waiting for answer on that! guess I will have to keep waiting!

You see many of these bazzar groundless storys, You are posting a few of them, with no reality link.

try to understand it sounds just a little like name calling to me Gay tranny,
Then you got the gall to bring me to the wood shed on name calling dude.

But you may have a point to why you posted that, still waiting?
Furthermore Prana

Obama protected Hezbollah drug ring to save Iran nukes deal-

I think anyone with a lick of common sense, can see this story has been picked out of the recycle bin! Reagan now Obama!



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riverhousebill
But you may have a point to why you posted that, still waiting?

I don't think there is any problem with a person being either gay or transgendered. But why the pretense? Why have a fake family, that is, if both Barrack and Michelle are male, who's children are Malia and Sasha?

There is a whole youtube movement on hollywood crypto (hidden) transgendered stars. Not like Bruce/Caitlin Jenner, but more like Marilyn Monroe (I find this hard to believe, but Marilyn Monroe makes the best case for this phenomena).

Also, why the big push by the establishment to make more people transgendered? Could it be the gods these people worship is transgendered (Baphomet)? Look at all the symbolism of Baphomet found in our media.

I find all this stuff entertaining. I am not overly concerned about it, it's just one of those mysteries I find enjoyable to study.

Also, why the big push by the establishment to make more people transgendered?

Prana I believe people are influenced by what others are thinking just to stay with the herd and not some much the subject whats in!

But what I think is really going on, Growing pains, Internet age information,

In the days of just TV, Press, radio, information was easy to control.

internet double edge sword ligit news and propaganda galore.
So its how you hold the sword, Some folks got it down, and slice thru the fog of misconceptions and are focusing and discussing more equal Human rights

something that makes me also not to feel to overly concernd is the fact
We still have some folks who have not surenderd all common sense.

I find all this stuff entertaining. I am not overly concerned about it, it's just one of those mysteries I find enjoyable to study. Prana I here you on that.

I don't want to mess with anyones jJoy level, When reflecting back, and with my buddhist wife telling me not very Buddhist to argue, I see Im not always on course and need to make the corections.
So Prana, and Jennifer better navigation on my part and keep your Joy level up!

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riverhousebill
So Prana, and Jennifer better navigation on my part and keep your Joy level up!

Hear, hear!!

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riverhousebill

I don't want to mess with anyones jJoy level, When reflecting back, and with my buddhis wife telling me not very Buddhist to argue, I see Im not always on course and need to make the corections.
So Prana, and Jennifer better navigation on my part and keep your Joy level up!

Great! Next thing we know this'll be happening ...

Quote Jennifer-- (19th 9:23 pm)
Oh, so I was right in my recent post that yeah, you totally believe the 911 'official story' and you discredit any other theory about anything except what you are told to believe by the government or whatever 'authority' tells you is the fact, or with the mainstream view. You cowtow to authority.


Quote jennifer -- (Jan 19th 20018 11:08 pm)
I'm not going back to read all your posts, RHB. And I'm not spinning, because I did not say that you did believe in the official story of 911, I asked you if you did

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Jennifer, I think I may have found something to explain what happened here with your postings you said answer was complicated.

Ive been reading a book called Time journeys, talks of Quantum Physics, mechanics.Time Travel, I know this is a complicated response also, but I think this poem covers what may have happened here about the quote and dates of as you said complicated.

Time travel forward backwards- Forward travel much easyer since we are already advancing forward 24 hrs every day, Now going backwards it gets a little harder to do- In order to go backwards in time, ,Theoretically you would have to go faster than the speed of light!

So here is a theory decribed in a poem that could lift this cloud around the dates of post.

anonymous poem posted in Time Journeys

There once was a girl named Bright
Who was faster than the speed of light
she went out one night in an Einsteinium way
only to return the previous night

You may have just been out time traveling that day night?

In Quantum Physics one theory- We manifest our own realitys.
coud this be the explaination to your date decrepancy?