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San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 20, 2018 06:58PM

San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad

“half of San Francisco Bay Area voters plan to leave the region in the next few years”


The once great American city of San Francisco is now routinely criticized by tourists and residents alike for rampant crime, filthy streets, and a homeless problem that’s out of control.

It’s beginning to look like something out of a science fiction film set in a dystopian future where the population has been reduced to two classes. One class is wealthy, progressive, and politically connected. The other class is a poor, dependent underclass which will never vote out their benevolent overlords.

Many people who fall in between are leaving.

The left loves to talk about income inequality. Yet in San Francisco, undoubtedly one of the bluest cities in the nation, the wealth gap has grown so vast that even people who would qualify as high income in other parts of the country are considered economically disadvantaged.

Emmie Martin of CNBC writes:

In San Francisco, households earning $117,000 qualify as ‘low income’

The increasingly steep cost of living in the Bay Area means that even earning six figures in San Francisco might not be enough to make ends meet.

A new report from the Department of Housing and Urban Development says that a San Francisco metro area family of four bringing in $117,400 a year qualifies as “low income.” Last year, the cut off was $105,350. An annual salary of $82,000 now puts single adults in the “low income” bracket as well.

Other notoriously expensive cities aren’t nearly as extreme. In New York, the “low income” threshold for a family of four is $83,450 per year. In Los Angeles, it’s $77,500.

Making ends meet for a family of four in San Francisco requires a household income of $92,139, according to MIT’s living wage calculator.

These disparities are not only affecting the way people live. They are having an adverse effect on the city’s economy because people see the city as unsafe.

What has to happen in order for city and state leaders to call for a change of course?




There is an ongoing debate currently going on in the country about what locations can be classified as @#$%&. The debate sprung from a report that Donald Trump referred to some third world countries as “@#$%&” in a meeting with lawmakers last week.

While the debate might rage on as to what constitutes a “@#$%&” of a country, one thing is not up for debate: the American city of San Francisco is a @#$%&.

We know this thanks to an interactive map created in 2014 called Human Wasteland.

The map charts all of the locations for human excrement “incidents” reported to the San Francisco police during a given month. The interactive map shows precise locations of the incidents by marking them with @#$%& emojis:

The project shows that the heatmap for poo is most heavily concentrated directly in downtown San Francisco.

According to the SF Weekly, San Francisco has a major @#$%& problem:

St. George Alley can harbor up to 30 piles of @#$%& per week, Department of Public Works employee Steve Mahoney told SFist. That’s exceptional. But it also illustrates a seemingly intractable problem in a city with limited public restrooms, constricted homeless services, and a line of filthy JCDecaux bunker toilets that often sit unused.

So if you live in San Francisco and are offended by Trump’s comments, just watch where you’re stepping.


This is the interesting part -

Part of the @#$%& problem is that Plastic Bags have been outlawed in San Francisco -

Plastic-bag ban led to hep A health crisis?

“The outbreak was completely predictable — it's why I left San Diego.”


“The plastic bag ban is the main reason for the hepatitis outbreak,” says the homeless man who writes the Homeless Survival Guide. “The hepatitis outbreak was completely predictable — it's why I left San Diego.”

Homeless people learned long ago that @#$%& in plastic-bag-lined containers meant you could wrap the session up and dispose of all the stuff without touching it, he said in a long email. So when it got harder to get the bags after the ban went into effect late last year, it became harder to find the bags and people who were able to keep things clean had to work a lot harder.

Plenty of people discounted the plastic-bag theory but San Diego County Public Health Officer Wilma Wooten was not one of them.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 21, 2018 03:27PM

Just ran across this article about San Francisco -



San Francisco, one of the most iconic destinations for travel worldwide, is hemorrhaging tourism and business dollars at an alarming rate. And it’s not due to renovations at Moscone Convention Center, as the local business press would have you believe.

It’s the city’s homeless population – growing as fast as the piles of hypodermic needles, trash, and human feces left in the downtown streets.

If you’ve ever left your heart in the city by the bay, you may want to fetch it before it catches a virulent disease.


An investigative report by a local NBC affiliate uncovered the glaring inconsistency of one of the wealthiest cities in the world being undone by the chronic homelessness. The report focuses on a 153-block survey of San Francisco’s downtown – a mecca of five-star restaurants and hotels, art museums, and nightlife attractions as well as City Hall, schools, playgrounds, and a police station.

In only a few hours, investigative reporters found piles of garbage on every street, over 100 used syringes, and 300 piles of human feces. Yep, folks, piles of public @#$%& are now token obstacles for locals and visitors to hopscotch around on field trips to museums and such.

Adelita Orellana, who teaches preschool children in downtown, said, “We see @#$%&, we see pee, we see needles, and we see trash.” Or as her 3-year-old student A’Nylah explained, “There’s @#$%& in there.”

We are in America, aren’t we?

Dr. Lee Riley, an infectious disease expert at University of California, Berkeley, is pondering the answer to that question:

“If you do get stuck with these disposed needles you can get HIV, Hepatitis C, Hepatitis B, and a variety of other viral diseases. If you happen to inhale (dried feces) that, it can also go into your intestine. The contamination is … much greater than communities in Brazil or Kenya or India.”


Local hotel and hospitality owners and operators, losing bookings and hearing the harshest of criticisms from past customers, seem to be the only ones concerned with the San Francisco brand. Between cable cars clanging, the mentally ill screaming, and the brisk, salty, ocean air tinged with the rankest of waste scents wafting through bistros and bakeries, public officials seem to have stuck their heads in the sand.

Through the hospitality industry’s charitable efforts, homelessness programs have received 20 tons of furniture and fixtures and their employees regularly volunteer at Project Homeless Connect.

But wait, the city does its part by spending $305 million a year to reduce the problem, right? Yes, and the issue has grown into a public health crisis.

Instead of addressing the homelessness, they fling extra money at certain budget line items, such as trash removal: Liberal government at its finest.

Expecting to pass this month is the proposed new city budget that adds an additional $12.8 million over the next two years to street cleaning. An eye-popping amount, when you consider that the budget has almost doubled in the past five years alone, increasing from $33.4 million to $65.4 million.

Perhaps the newly minted mayor has a plan.


Mayor London Breed campaigned in part on cleaning up the streets, and has given herself a deadline of three-months after being sworn into office to get it done. So just what is Mayor Breed’s plan for the issue that had so many before her completely flummoxed? Point the finger at those responsible for assisting:

“I work hard to make sure your programs are funded for the purposes of trying to get these individuals help, and what I am asking you to do is work with your clients and ask them to at least have respect for the community — at least, clean up after themselves and show respect to one another and people in the neighborhood.”

A night cap at Top of the Mark, a cable car ride to Union Square, a breathtakingly scenic drive across the Golden Gate Bridge, and dodging an out of control homeless population enabled by the city’s representatives – not what tourists, convention-goers, and locals call a good time in the city by the bay. Yes, somewhere crooner Tony Bennett is sobbing uncontrollably.

It’s a sad state of affairs when the newly elected mayor, who grew up in the city, has no other plan to eradicate the potentially disease-causing filth but to politely ask the homeless population to “clean up after themselves.”

In other words, “Please do not poo on the footpath.” She established her timeline on solving the crisis and the world is watching and waiting to see what happens in the once glorious city.

Mayor Breed’s clock started July 11 as she took her oath of office. Tick tock, Mayor, tick tock.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 21, 2018 03:39PM

BTW, this looks like a great website - Libertarian Conservative -


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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: July 22, 2018 03:20AM

I bet your southern ass has never been to San Francisco.

Why so miserable Jennifer? it's SO SAD to be miserable and condem places you have never been.

Considered one of the most “veg-friendly” cities in the US, is this your beef jennie?

This Is Why People Who Live In San Francisco Are So Happy And Health

Our Living Well, On Location series explores cities and countries from around the world. How do other people pursue health and happiness? We’re going coast to coast, country to country to find out.
Rudyard Kipling once said that the only drawback to San Francisco is how hard it is to leave.
Many San Franciscans would agree with Kipling: Bay Area natives and transplants alike tend to be fiercely loyal to their city, and most SFers would tell you that they could never imagine living anywhere else. With sweeping vistas on every hill, beautiful beaches, year-round free concerts and cultural activities — not to mention some of the best food, music and art in the country — it’s easy to see why so many have been lured by the siren song of the San Francisco Bay.
Besides being one of the most visually stunning seven-by-seven square miles on earth, San Francisco has also topped rankings of the happiest, healthiest and fittest cities in America, and Bloomberg Businessweek called San Francisco the best city in America in 2012.
Here are 12 reasons that San Francisco is one of the happiest and healthiest places in the U.S. — and lessons that it can teach the rest of America about living well.
It’s veggie-friendly.

Considered one of the most “veg-friendly” cities in the US by PETA, San Francisco is not only an oasis of vegetarian and vegan restaurants, according to VegSF, but also has myriad vegetarian and vegan-friendly menus, even at restaurants with meat dishes. You can even eat the fruit that grows on the trees in certain public parks in San Francisco. And with the vegan paradise that is Berkeley right across the bay, herbivores will never run out of dining options.
It has a vibrant spiritual life.

Meditation, yoga and Eastern philosophy are a part of the city’s DNA, thanks to a long history of Eastern religious studies at its cultural centers. The Buddhist philosopher and writer Alan Watts, a transplant to San Francisco from England, introduced thousands to Eastern philosophy in the late 1950s and early 1960s (his TV series “Eastern Wisdom and Modern Life” aired in San Francisco and helped spread Zen ideology in the U.S.). But no matter your faith, an emphasis on spiritual belief systems has been found to reduce stress levels and increase well-being, making it a likely contributor to its San Franciscans’ good health.
San Francisco is also home to the oldest Buddhist temple in the U.S., and it’s the birthplace of Burning Man, an event that attracts many seeking spiritual release. Centers like Mount Madonna, Green Gulch Zen Center, Spirit Rock and the Esalen Institute also offer workshops and retreats within a short drive of the city.
It’s organic.

The city by the bay was voted the number-one best city to live the organic foodie lifestyle by the online magazine Organic Authority. Farmer’s markets, community farms, organic restaurants and food co-ops (Rainbow Grocery in the Mission has been sharing organic food with the community since 1975) are easy to find.
An organic diet can help to reduce the synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, antibiotics and hormones that we consume from conventional food sources. And while the link between these compounds and human health isn’t definitive, most researchers agree that we don’t know what the long-term health consequences of eating these could be.
It’s home to some of the country’s best public parks.

San Francisco’s parks — ranging from Golden Gate Park to the Presidio to Dolores Park — were ranked the best in the country last year by nonprofit conservation group, The Trust for Public Land. Public art is also everywhere, including the famous Hearts dotted all over the city, commissioned in 2004 by the San Francisco General Hospital. Recently, Parkets — parking space-sized mini-parks that have copped up across town, offering greenery and seating to passersby — have become the latest addition to the SF park scene.
Maybe that’s why San Franciscans can seem so zen and so fit: Walking through green spaces, even in the middle of cities, can put the brain into a state of meditation, according to a recent UK study. And research has shown that public parks contribute to physical activity rates among city residents.
And speaking of fitness, outdoor activities are everywhere.

Outdoor recreational activities and exercise options help make the San Francisco Bay Area the seventh-fittest metropolitan area in America. Between doing tai chi in Washington Square Park, surfing at Ocean Beach and practicing yoga in Golden Gate Park, there’s an outdoor activity for every fitness personality. The city’s beautiful public trails and temperate weather make it easy to fit in daily workouts without a gym membership. (Not to mention that San Franciscans also build quads of steel from walking up the city’s many steep hills.)
It has the “culture cure.”

Live music, art, theater and literary events are all over the Bay, all year round — and attending these cultural events could have some big health benefits. Studies have found that attending cultural events could lower blood pressure and also promote mental health by warding off anxiety and depression.
“When it comes to nourishing the soul, [San Francisco’s] vibrant arts, entertainment, and recreational offerings set it apart,” wrote Sarah Mahoney and Susan Coenen as part of a Prevention study of the 25 healthiest, happiest cities in America. “While it may seem obvious that those options make people happier, they also make them healthier.”
It’s close to nature.

The stress-relieving and happiness-boosting benefits of spending time in nature are well documented. Aside from the many green spaces and beaches within San Francisco proper, SFers can easily reconnect with nature by driving only a short distance from the city. Marin Headlands, Point Reyes National Seashore, Muir Woods and Mount Tamalpais State Park offer miles of hiking and biking trails in some of the most beautiful natural landscapes on the West Coast.
Yoga is everywhere — even in the airport.

Yoga studios are nearly as ubiquitous in San Francisco as coffee shops. The city’s New Age roots gave rise to a number of yoga and meditation centers and many of them are still popular today. And that’s great for city residents, who can enjoy the practice’s strength and flexibility training as well as it’s calming effect on stress. Now, it’s easy to find nearly any type of yoga in the city, including naked yoga in Noe Valley. Terminal Two of the San Francisco International Airport also has a yoga room for travelers looking for a little on-the-go zen.
It’s one of the best cities for biking.

As residents of the eighth-best city for bikers by Bicycling Magazine, Bay Area drivers are used to sharing the road with bikers: Since 2010, San Francisco has installed 20 new miles of bike lanes, 25 bike-parking areas, and traffic signals giving riders the right-of-way. The new Bay Bridge even included the installation of a $500 million hanging bike lane, the first of its kind.
And the research shows that biking and bike commuting can have a huge impact on health. One Danish study found that bikers had a lower risk of death from any cause than their more sedentary counterparts. And in a separate Australian study, researchers found that people who replaced their car commute with biking lowered their risk of stroke and heart attack, improved their cholesterol and their aerobic fitness within one year, NPR reported.
Locals enjoy the health benefits of moderate wine consumption.

Thanks to world class vineyards in nearby Napa and Sonoma, wine is a part of the Northern California culture. We’ve all heard that one glass of red wine a day can improve your health, and it’s true: Numerous studies have linked moderate wine consumption with a lower risk of becoming overweight or obese. Red wine also contain heart-healthy antioxidants and Resveratrol, which may reduce bad cholesterol, according to the Mayo Clinic.
It’s a dog-friendly city.

It’s commonly said that there are more dogs than children in San Francisco, and according to the San Francisco Chronicle, it’s actually true. As of 2007, census data showed that the city’s dog population trumped that of children.
“Nobody beats San Francisco when it comes to doting on dogs,” the Chronicle wrote. “It’s a city with luxury dog hotels, rooftop dog cocktail parties, a pet cemetery and City Hall plans to turn dog droppings into alternative energy.”
And that isn’t just good news for pooches: Pet ownership has been linked to reduced levels of stress and relief from mild depression, and improved heart health
It’s a place that celebrates community.

As HuffPost San Francisco Editorial Fellow Lydia O’Connor points out, the “event to be at” in San Francisco is frequently free, outdoors and well-attended. Free events ranging from concerts to yoga classes are easy to come by, as are group volunteering activities and community art projects like the 16th Avenue tiled steps in the Sunset.
These community events don’t just benefit the city as a whole, they can have an effect on individual residents. Strong social ties and community bonds have been linked with lower stress levels and increased well-being and longevity

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: July 22, 2018 01:52PM

Prana, Can we rename this section of the forum to "Jennifer Rants"....?

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 22, 2018 08:07PM

Well, at least I post information and opinion about what I believe in. Why don't you post about your way of living and ideas and info on I-forget-what-you-call-it - your nomadic permaculture lifestyle. Or your beliefs about what would be the ideal society or what we can do about some of our cultural issues - like what do you think about immigration, do you believe in nation-states, national sovereignty or rather just everybody in the world moves around and lives wherever they want to. Do you believe in having any government anyplace or just one-world, global government? Then how do we get rid of the horrible governments/dictators in some of the horrible countries, etc., and all the violent, evil people in the world.

How do we cope and improve the world on our way to permaculture Paradise, that is.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Prana ()
Date: July 23, 2018 02:35AM

riverhousebill, it's not only the right alt-media that is saying San Francisco is loaded with human feces and needles, the mainstream media is recognizing this too: Diseased Streets — An NBC Bay Area Investigation reveals a dangerous concoction of drug needles, garbage, and feces lining the streets of downtown San Francisco. The Investigative Unit surveyed more than 150 blocks, including some of the city’s top tourist destinations, and discovered conditions that are now being compared to some of the worst slums in the world.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Prana ()
Date: July 23, 2018 02:39AM

San Francisco recently lost a $40 million major medical convention because of the trash/feces/needles issue. "20lbs Of Human Waste" - Major Medical Convention Abandons San Francisco Citing Street Safety.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: July 23, 2018 04:47AM

Prana every city in America is some what on the skids., some doing better than others. this thing about media mainstream and alt ???
I moved out of San Franciso 1976 enough of city life.

I find the timing of Jennifers San Francisco Bashing suspicous!
Could it be The new ruling in city giving so called illegals the right to vote on school boards? Bet a nickle thats it.

Wow if you want to bash a CA city ever hear of LA and its problems?
Compton, Oakland, East LA Stockton> I guess not. San Fran top of jennies list???

I moved to where you now live Emerald Triangle for over 44 years ago, How many tons of trash
are dumped along Eell river and The town of Garberville not one public rest room. Crime, cops shot in Shelter cove cop stabed in Garberville crime going off charts with gangter punks looking for pot to rip. I had a friend strangled to death for her crop in the Trangle. Cathy Mcdonald another person in this small communtiy you may know also Prana Anti GMO activist Stephnie Gowboy murderd by shot gun for no no reason killer still lose unknown many pointles violence crimes in triangle
People crap in door ways often, Household trash dumped roadside, In river and streams.
They divert water from stream and river critical from Salmon spawning.
Many pot farmers use nasty chemicals, and kill wildlife to protect crops.
many meth labs in country side in Trangle toxic dumping often.

Ever hear of Animal called Fisher? I saw one once WOW very few people ever see, they are almost extinct because of chemicals used in Trinagle pot farms acording to fish and game.

Look in you own back yard first before bashing elsewhere.

Hell look at the rate of Home invasions in Humbolt and northern Mendocino.
Gangter punks thinking they can win big with home invasions looking for a crop to hijack to often. almost daily, You know this! Yes San Fran has its cancers like most citys in USA. But like the artical above I posted it has things to offer.

All this Prana and you live there still.

Is the Emerald Trangle cleaner safer? NO by a long shot!

Dont go on this alt media, mainstream media stuff. You can find real dirt in all our citys and the country side today. m worse side in country Id say by chemical farms and the rate of homicides and crime that pass the citys up.
Lots of tourist get jacked up in the Triangle and will never come back,talk about one med convention in SF getting canned I heard to many storys and witnessed to much of that in my forty somthing years where you now live.

San Francisco has a lot to offer like my post above says.
The problem for Jennifer lately in San Francisco is really things like school board gives right for illegals to vote, nothing else, she does not know that city, this I can tell.

Look at your own backyard first before attacking other areas just because you have a problem with left culture or?

You ever here of Murder Mountain, not really a tourist spot in the Emerald Triangel?

So yeh any one can trash places in America whats your favorate?
Ive herd it said NYC is the greatest insane asylum in America and San Fran is the out patence clinic. You can be weird in SF and if you dont hurt anyone its ecepted.

Lots of problems in SF yes, but also lots of culture thats why so many people love that dirty city.

you all trashing SF but not a squeak about LA Hum? school board vote I think is Jennies Problem.

I still like to visit San Francisco, A day or two is more than enough.

And I think Kipling knows San Francisco well.

Rudyard Kipling once said that the only draw back to San Francisco is how hard it is to leave.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: July 23, 2018 05:52AM

Prana- life in the Emerald triangle- Why does Humboldt County have the highest rate of missing persons reports in the state? and it tops the chart in many other crimes? Talk about San Francisco. I could go on for an hour about crime where you live Prana and where I used to live for over forty years.

Bashing San Francisco wrong look in your own back yard first.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: July 23, 2018 09:55AM

Prana , This is where I lived for over forty years and where you live now.

How can you bash San Francisco and why with this in your back yard.? not to mention homicide and violent crime rate in rual northern Ca.

I know Jenifers problem with San francisco- School board gives rights for illegals to vote. the rest bullshit.
I could be wrong on school board could beThe Trump Chicken ballon, which wears prison stripes and is labeled “Prisoner 45,” was first seen in April 2017 at the San Francisco Tax protest. And today on San francisco bay in front of Alcatraz federal prison.
Do you have same problem? 75 other citys in Ca have higher crime rates ect yet San francisco is singled out here, Whud up dude? here is just a little on your back yard where you are living- where I bailed from after spending most of my life.

quote Prana-San Francisco recently lost a $40 million major medical convention because of the trash/feces/needles issue. "20lbs Of Human

Prana check this out compared to the 20 pounds waste

I got so sick of seeing toxic chems and seeing so much wild life killed I had to leave the Emerald triangel.

Toxic waste from illegal marijuana farms alarms authorities

WEAVERVILLE, Calif. – Pollution from illegal marijuana farms deep in California's national forests is far worse than previously thought, and has turned thousands of acres into waste dumps so toxic that simply touching plants has landed law enforcement officers in the hospital.

The volume of banned or restricted pesticides and illegally applied fertilizers in the woods dwarfs estimates by the U.S. Forest Service in 2014, when a top enforcement official testified that the pollution was threatening forest land in California and other states.

California accounts for more than 90 percent of illegal U.S. marijuana farming, with much of it exported to other states from thousands of sites hidden deep inside forested federal land, and more on private property, law enforcement officials said. The state is still developing a licensing system for growers even though legal retail sales of the drug will begin next year, and medical use has been allowed for decades.

Ecologist Mourad Gabriel, who documents the issue for the Forest Service as well as other state, local and federal law enforcement agencies, estimates California's forests hold 41 times more solid fertilizers and 80 times more liquid pesticides than Forest Service investigators found in 2013.

Growers use fertilizers and pesticides long restricted or banned in the United States, including carbofuran and zinc phosphide. In previous years, it was commonly sold fertilizers and pesticides that were used illegally, law enforcement officials said.

Thousands of used butane cans used to process concentrated marijuana dumped in the forest in Humboldt County, California . California Department of Fish and Wildlife/Handout via REUTERS
Thousands of used butane cans used to process concentrated marijuana dumped in the forest in Humboldt County, California . California Department of Fish and Wildlife/Handout via REUTERS
Exposure to the pesticides has sent at least five law enforcement officials and two suspects to hospitals with skin rashes, respiratory problems and other symptoms, court documents and state data show.

Use of any chemicals in national forests is against federal law, as pesticides have killed sensitive species and fertilizers can cause algae blooms and bacteria problems in rivers and streams.

According to unpublished data seen by Reuters, Gabriel, who has visited more than 100 sites in California and is widely considered the top expert on toxics at marijuana farms, calculated that federal land in California contains 731,000 pounds of solid fertilizer, 491,000 ounces of concentrated liquid fertilizer and 200,000 ounces of toxic pesticides.

If much of the pesticide and fertilizer were released into a single stream rather than scattered around the state in leaky containers, the volume would exceed the amount of chemicals spilled in 2014 into the Elk River in West Virginia, which left 300,000 residents without access to potable water.

"We're getting contamination over and over again at those locations," said Gabriel, as toxins move from unsafe containers into the soil and water.

At sites that state officials said they had cleaned up completely, his team found 30-50 percent of the chemicals were still there.

"They are like superfund sites," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Escobar, whose Fresno office has filed numerous marijuana-related environmental damage cases. Superfund sites are those targeted by the U.S. government for hazardous waste cleanup because of the risk to human health or the environment.

Fertilizer in a makeshift pond with irrigation hoses attached in order to funnel water to grow sites in Mendocino County, California. California Department of Fish and Wildlife/Handout via REUTERS
Fertilizer in a makeshift pond with irrigation hoses attached in order to funnel water to grow sites in Mendocino County, California. California Department of Fish and Wildlife/Handout via REUTERS
Federal prosecutors have also charged pot growers with environmental crimes in Alaska, Oregon and Washington.

The most toxic sites cost as much as $100,000 to clean up, leaving taxpayers with a bill that could reach $100 million or more in California alone.

"These places aren't safe to go into," said state Assemblyman Jim Wood, who has pushed for cleanup funding.

Use of toxics has grown over the past three to four years, and chemicals have been found at sites in Oregon and Washington as well, said Chris Boehm, the Forest Service's assistant director for enforcement and investigation. "In the last couple years we've lost a lot of the ground we had picked up in eradicating and cleaning up the new sites we find."

The expense and danger of cleanup has created a backlog of 639 illegal marijuana farms awaiting restoration in California, according to U.S. Forest Service data compiled for Reuters. Each farm covers up to 50 acres.

Gabriel said that figure understated the problem, and pointed out that toxics are used at thousands of illegal farms on private and tribal land. After a year or two, growers often abandon sites, leaving containers of chemicals so toxic a quarter-teaspoon could kill a bear.

As California moves to license growers, officials plan to regulate the use of chemicals. But rules can only be enforced against those who cultivate pot legally.

"There are a lot of incentives for continuing to grow illegally," said Washington Fish and Wildlife Deputy Chief Mike Cenci, citing growers' distaste for taxes and red tape.

"We've got 4,000 illegal grows in our county," said Keith Groves, a supervisor of Trinity County in Northern California. "I'll be happy if we can get 500 of them to become licensed."

I could go on for a week about what this article missed as far as Impact.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 26, 2018 03:33AM

My point was that the Democrats are ruining San Francisco and most other cities they rule for decades -

How Decades Of Democratic Rule Ruined Some Of Our Finest Cities


Urban Blight: A few days ago, filmmaker Michael Moore tweeted, “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight yrs” and wanted to know, “What did it get us?” He’s actually on to something.

Don’t drink the water in Flint, Mich. Federal and state officials botched a water supply switch there and ended up contaminating the city’s drinking water with lead. It’s a sad and infuriating story that has gone on far too long. It’s not quite a humanitarian crisis -- blessedly, we don’t see many of those in this country -- but it is a mess.

Of course blame has been liberally tossed around. Republican Gov. Rick Snyder has been sued. Moore wants him arrested. (Obviously there's a limit to Moore's ability to think clearly, and he reached it with his Flint tweet.) Some are convinced that the private sector is the villain, because, after all, isn’t it always? The loopy left even says that the Koch brothers are at fault.

But let’s backtrack to Moore’s tweet. Flint is indeed a Democratic Party bastion. Don’t its decades of Democratic dominance deserve some of the blame? It’s the city’s "Democratic rulers," Reason magazine’s Robby Soave reminds us, who have "robbed city residents blind to pad the pockets of public sector unions." They’ve also been in charge as Flint has become one the country’s poorest cities (the second poorest, says the Census Bureau, for a city of its size), and a haven for criminals -- it’s the most dangerous city in America, according to Business Insider.

Flint is not alone, though. America is awash with troubled, dysfunctional cities that have been electing Democratic mayors for decades.

Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line. The website Law Street actually ranks Detroit ahead of Flint as the country's most dangerous city. Either way, it’s clear that both cities have institutionalized crime problems.

Detroit is also a pit of political corruption. Just in recent years, one mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, was convicted of corruption and sent to federal prison for 28 years, while building inspectors have been indicted on federal felony bribery charges and a former city council member was investigated in a bribery and kickback scandal.

Chicago’s last GOP mayor was elected in 1927. The nation’s third-largest city is home to some of the worst inner-city violence imaginable. More than 2,300 people were shot there last year, and nearly 400 lost their lives to homicides.
Its finances are just as grim. "Chicago is so broke," IBD contributor Stephen Moore explained months ago, "that its bonds are junk status, and Mayor Rahm Emanuel had to go hat in hand last week to the state capital, Springfield, for bailout money to pay the bills." Things have been rotten enough, Moore said, to send "a record number of people ... fleeing Cook County, home to Chicago." Only a little more than half of the city's pension liabilities are funded.

St. Louis has been electing Democratic mayors since 1949. The Gateway to the West has become the gateway for crime. Law Street says that it’s the fourth most dangerous city in the country, Forbes says it’s the second. It had the sixth-highest poverty rate among big cities in 2014.

The last GOP mayor of Philadelphia left office in 1952. A few years ago, Moore identified it as a favorite to follow Detroit into bankruptcy.

Both Baltimore and Oakland had Republican mayors as late as the 1960s. In the era of Democratic rule, both are now more well known for their crime and poverty problems than for their charm and character.

Newark, N.J., hasn't had a GOP mayor in more than a century. It was ranked as the fifth-worst city to live in in 2015. Detroit, of course, was first.

When Democrats are in control, cities tend to go soft on crime, reward cronies with public funds, establish hostile business environments, heavily tax the most productive citizens and set up fat pensions for their union friends. Simply put, theirs is a Blue State blueprint for disaster.


Also, my point was that policies like banning plastic bags could have unintended consequences.

Now they want to ban Plastic Straws. Plastic straws suck, but I love them to drink my smoothies with.

BTW, [] has some great Editorials.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: July 26, 2018 06:39AM

My point was that the Democrats are ruining San Francisco and most other cities they rule for decades

A better question, why are all the poorest states lead by Republicans?

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 27, 2018 09:21PM


A better question, why are all the poorest states lead by Republicans?

Again, folks, another Lib Lie on this board, because ---


See here --


(Just for reference, a State would need the Governor and both Houses of the State Legislature to belong to the Same Party to be a "Trifecta". Trifecta means that the particular State is Controlled By/Led By/Run By One Party; that the Governorship, and State Legislature are all the same Party.)

Also, see here - The Hill (article in 2017), which lists the States that are Completely Controlled by the Republicans -

Republicans will completely control 26 states


Republicans also hold the governorship and both state legislative chambers in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida and New Hampshire.

Democrats hold just 15 governorships and control all three levers of government in only six states: Oregon, California, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Connecticut and Delaware. (Haha - losers)

Republicans control both chambers of the state legislature in Montana, Louisiana, North Carolina, Virginia and Pennsylvania, states run by Democratic governors. Democrats hold both legislative chambers in Nevada, New Mexico, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey and Vermont, all states run by Republican governors.


I'll list the poorest states and who runs them here also -

These SEVEN of the Ten Poorest States ARE 'led by' or 'controlled by' or 'run by' Republicans - Republicans control the Governorship and The State Legislature -

South Carolina


North Carolia
New Mexico

So Therefore --

It is a Falsehood or Lib Lie that ALL OF THE POOREST STATES ARE LEAD BY REPUBLICANS, as was stated above by a Lib (of course)

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: July 28, 2018 01:04AM

Oops, looks like a Civics lesson is in order...

The Governor of a State does not control the State alone. Duh!

Our Founding Fathers - those rich old white men slave-owners - set up a Government System - called a Republic - that consisted of checks and balance/division of powers/equal branches of Government so that the President (read Governor) would not be all powerful. The same with the State Governments.

We have three branches of Government - The Executive (President), the Legislature and the Judiciary. The same for the individual States, but they're called the Executive (Governor), the Legislature and the Judiciary branch.

So the President does not run or control the Federal Government all by himself. And the Governor does not run or control the State Government all by himself.

So - who runs the State? Why, that would be the Governor, the Legislature (consisting of the House of Delegates or Representatives and the Senate) and the Judiciary.

So therefore when you say "Who runs the State?" you have to take into consideration all three branches of the State Government. NOT JUST THE GOVERNOR. The Governor does not control the State alone! Duh!

Maybe this will help the least among us to understand it -

State governments of the United States


I don't know how much more plain I can be in explaining this or how many times I will have to explain it...

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: August 13, 2018 12:34AM

with Hundreds of citys much more violent and dirty than San Francisco
Prana and jenifer shows their bias proving thread phoney.

The bashing of San Francisco started right after they gave right for illegals to vote on school boards in that city.

The most dangerous cities in America, ranked

The most dangerous cities in America, ranked

Nashville, Tennessee
The rate of violent crime in Nashville-Davidson County is 1,102 per 100,000 residents.

In 2016, FBI data said 81 people were murdered there.

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Re: San Francisco is Becoming the Model Progressive City and it’s Sad
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: August 13, 2018 01:05AM

The 25 Most Dangerous Cities In The USA | Cities Journal

San Francisco rates number 45 yet it gets the bash?

Spin City jenifer and Prana!

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