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How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: April 17, 2019 04:46PM

The Gun culture sucks way to much gun death in America.

these stats show that Guns saves Lives more propaganda distortion from the gun culture.

My dear please dont cite criminologists Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz,

How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?
April 13, 20183:51 PM ET


A student participates in a civilian active shooter response course for concealed weapons permit holders on March 24 in Longmont, Colo.
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

It's a common refrain touted by gun rights advocates, who argue that using guns in self-defense can help save lives. But what is the actual number of defensive gun uses?

According to the Pew Research Center, 48 percent of gun owners say they own a gun mainly for protection. But for years, experts have been divided over how often people actually use guns in self-defense. The numbers range from the millions to hundreds of thousands, depending on whom you ask.

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The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.

David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.

"The average person ... has basically no chance in their lifetime ever to use a gun in self-defense," he tells Here & Now's Robin Young. "But ... every day, they have a chance to use the gun inappropriately. They have a chance, they get angry. They get scared."

But the research spread by the gun lobby paints a drastically different picture of self-defense gun uses. One of the most commonly cited estimates of defensive gun uses, published in 1995 by criminologists Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, concluded there are between 2.2 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually.

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One of the main criticisms of this estimate is that researchers can't seem to find the people who are shot by civilians defending themselves because they don't show up in hospital records.

"The Kleck-Gertz survey suggests that the number of DGU respondents who reported shooting their assailant was over 200,000, over twice the number of those killed or treated [for gunshots] in emergency departments," crime prevention researcher Philip Cook wrote in the book Envisioning Criminology.

Kleck says there is no record of these gunshot victims because most instances of self-defense gun use are not reported.

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"If you tell the police, I just wielded a gun pointing a deadly weapon at another human being and claimed it was in self-defense, the police are going to investigate that," he tells Young, "and they may well in the short run arrest you and treat you as a criminal until and unless you are cleared."

On the flipside, Kleck says, criminals who were wounded after a gun was used in self-defense also have no incentive to go to the emergency room because medical professionals have an obligation to report it to the police. But Hemenway points out that if people don't go to the hospital to treat the original gunshot wound, they will inevitably end up there "with sepsis or other major problems."

He also notes that part of the reason experts are so divided on the number is the difficulty in obtaining reliable survey data on the issue.

"The researchers who look at [Kleck's study] say this is just bad science," Hemenway says. "It's a well-known problem in epidemiology that if something's a rare event, and you just try to ask how many people have done this, you will get incredible overestimates."

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In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens. The Post notes that "a more reasonable estimate" of self-defense gun uses equals about 100,000 annually, according to the NCVS data.

Another problem is that there is no consensus on the definition of defensive gun use. Some incidents could involve illegal carrying or possession, or they could amount to aggravated assault, the Rand Corp. writes:

Perceptions about the incident and an individual's role are important because much of the literature relies on self-reports: The respondent must have perceived there to have been a crime (or, in some surveys, a suspected or averted crime) and must consider himself or herself a victim rather than a mutual combatant. Even such stringent definitions, however, may not be sufficient to determine whether the event was lawful, legitimate, or desirable from a social perspective.

Even if someone wanted to use a gun in self-defense, they probably wouldn't be very successful, says Mike Weisser, firearms instructor and author of the blog "Mike The Gun Guy." He says many people who carry a gun aren't properly trained to use it in this way, and there is no performance validation standard for police officers.

"If we don't even have a minimum standard, not for training, but for performance validation for our law enforcement," he says, "how in God's name is anybody going to say, 'Well, just because you have a gun in your pocket, you know how to use it in self-defense?' You don't."

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Re: How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: April 17, 2019 11:19PM

Jennifer is full of crap posting lies about guns saving live

The stats make it clear gun are taking many more lives than saving.

Every day, 100 Americans are killed with guns and hundreds more are shot and injured. The effects of gun violence extend far beyond these casualties—gun violence shapes the lives of millions of Americans who witness it, know someone who was shot, or live in fear of the next shooting.
In order to illustrate the magnitude of everyday gun violence, Everytown has gathered the most comprehensive, publicly available data. Still, significant data gaps remain—a result of underfunded, incomplete data collection at the state and federal level. Filling these gaps is necessary to truly understand the full impact of gun violence in the United States.


Nearly two-thirds of gun deaths are suicides.5 The U.S. gun suicide rate is 10 times that of other high-income countries.6
Access to a gun increases the risk of death by suicide by three times.7 Gun suicides are concentrated in states with high rates of gun ownership.8
Most people who attempt suicide do not die—unless they use a gun. Across all suicide attempts not involving a firearm, less than five percent will result in death.9 But for gun suicides, those statistics are flipped: approximately 85 percent of gun suicide attempts end in death.10
White men represent 74 percent of firearm suicide victims in America.


One-third of gun deaths are homicides.12 The U.S. gun homicide rate is 25 times that of other high-income countries.13
Access to a gun increases the risk of death by homicide by two times.14
Gun homicides are concentrated in cities—half of all gun homicides took place in just 127 cities, which represented nearly a quarter of the U.S. population.15 Within these cities, gun homicides are most prevalent in racially segregated neighborhoods with high rates of poverty.16
Black Americans represent the majority of gun homicide victims.17 In fact, Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide.


Three-quarters of nonfatal gun injuries are caused by assaults.19
Black males are 15 times more likely than white males to be shot and injured in assaults involving guns.


Firearms are the second leading cause of death for American children and teens and the first leading cause of death for Black children and teens.21
Nearly 1,700 children and teens die by gun homicide every year.22 For children under the age of 13, these gun homicides most frequently occur in the home and are often connected to domestic or family violence.23
Black children and teens are 14 times more likely than white children and teens of the same age to die by gun homicide.


Women in the U.S. are 21 times more likely to be killed with a gun than women in other high-income countries.25
In an average month, 52 American women are shot to death by an intimate partner,26 and many more are injured.
Nearly one million women alive today have been shot or shot at by an intimate partner.27 Approximately 4.5 million American women alive today have been threatened with a gun by an intimate partner.28
Access to a gun in a domestic violence situation makes it five times more likely that a woman will be killed.29
Black women are twice as likely to be fatally shot by an intimate partner compared to white women.


58 percent of American adults or someone they care for have experienced gun violence in their lifetime.31
Approximately three million American children witness gun violence every year.32

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Re: How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: April 18, 2019 10:52AM

I say to all ma feller Gun Nutter™ friends, I sez, “If’n thay take our semiautomatic rifles way frum us don’t worry bout it, we’ll still have our semiautomatic hammers ‘n I know tha tha friggin libtard carpenter’s unions will see ta it that we nevah lose those”.
Anyways, hope this here news helps ease any anxiety y’all might be havin bout losin the luv of yer lives, sose y’all can rest easy now ‘n have a good day.

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