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Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: April 20, 2019 06:21PM

Is this what is going to happen if you live in a crowded city? Are they going to do this everywhere?
Poor New Yorkers. They have bad winters, had to live through 911 and now mandatory vaccines


New York City issues fines of $1,000 to 3 people who refused to be vaccinated against measles
MARK OSBORNE,Good Morning America Thu, Apr 18 11:43 PM PDT

New York City issues fines of $1,000 to 3 people who refused to be vaccinated against measles originally appeared on
New York City followed through on its threat to fine people who refused to get measles vaccines on Thursday.
The city's health department issued civil summons to three people a week after issuing an emergency order requiring anyone 6 months or older who lived in four specific zip codes -- all in Brooklyn -- to get the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine within 48 hours. Each person will be on the hook for a $1,000 fine.

The zip codes -- 11205 in Clinton Hill, 11206 in Bushwick and 11211 and 11249 in Williamsburg -- are all in predominantly Orthodox Jewish communities.
"Since the Emergency Order took effect, the Health Department carefully investigated cases with the help of its disease detectives," the health department said in a press release. "Many of the people who were contacts of individuals with measles had proof of vaccination, however the Health Department identified three children who were exposed to the measles but still unvaccinated as of April 12."

In addition to the three people fined for being unvaccinated, the city also closed four additional schools for failure to provide vaccination and attendance records, the city said.
The health department had ordered United Talmudical Academy, a yeshiva preschool, closed on Tuesday, but it has now been allowed to reopen.

As of Thursday, there had been 359 measles cases in Queens and Brooklyn since the beginning of the outbreak last October, including 74 since the emergency order was issued on April 9.
"The initial child with measles was unvaccinated and acquired measles on a visit to Israel, where a large outbreak of the disease is occurring," according to the health department. "Since then, there have been additional people from Brooklyn and Queens who were unvaccinated and acquired measles while in Israel."

A lawsuit filed by five unnamed parents asking for the emergency order -- and mandatory vaccinations -- to be vacated "as arbitrary and capricious and contrary to law" was also shot down on Thursday.
"The pivotal question posed for this court's determination is whether Respondent Commissioner has a rational, non-pretextual basis for declaring a public health emergency and issuing the attendant orders challenged herein," Kings County Judge Lawrence Knipel wrote in his decision.

The judge found the emergency declaration to be well-founded, and followed up, writing, "A fireman need not obtain the informed consent of the owner before extinguishing a house fire. Vaccination is known to extinguish the fire of contagion."
Measles can cause fever, runny nose, diarrhea and pneumonia. Severe cases can even result in death, especially in infants, children and people with compromised immune systems.

The vaccine is considered "very safe" and effective by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which also debunks any concerns -- often held by so-called anti-vaxxers -- that the vaccine could cause autism.
"Vaccine safety experts, including experts at CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), agree that MMR vaccine is not responsible for increases in the number of children with autism," the CDC states on its website.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: April 21, 2019 07:27PM

Yeah, it's terrible!

Makes me worried that someday everybody will be forced to get vaccinated. It's not just children they want vaccinated. There's a lot of money being made in the Vaccine Industry.

There was an outbreak of measles that I read about a few months ago, but I can't find the article. I believe it said that about 23 children in this one school in Calilfornia got the measles and all those who got the measles had been vaccinated.

It's so complicated, the reasoning the pro-vaccine people have come up with - that it's the un-vaccinated children who are at fault, that the un-vaccinated children are why vaccinated children get the measles or these diseases. About the 'herd mentality' and whatever.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: April 21, 2019 08:54PM

Haha, it's not 'herd mentality' although there's that in California, but 'Herd Immunity', a concept the pro-vaccine people bullies came up with to blame un-vaccinated people for the spread of diseases.

"Since not every child is medically able to be vaccinated, it is important for the public to achieve herd immunity, which has been shown to be effective at preventing the spread of disease. However, herd immunity is only effective when 95 percent of a population is vaccinated."




Herd immunity is a form of immunity that occurs when the vaccination of a significant portion of a population (or herd) provides a measure of protection for individuals who have not developed immunity.’

It arises when a high percentage of the population is protected through vaccination against a virus or bacteria, making it difficult for a disease to spread because there are so few susceptible people left to infect.

This can effectively stop the spread of disease in the community. It is particularly crucial for protecting people who cannot be vaccinated. These include children who are too young to be vaccinated, people with immune system problems, and those who are too ill to receive vaccines (such as some cancer patients).

The proportion of the population which must be immunised in order to achieve herd immunity varies for each disease but the underlying idea is simple: once enough people are protected, they help to protect vulnerable members of their communities by reducing the spread of the disease.

However, when immunization rates fall, herd immunity can break down leading to an increase in the number of new cases. For example, measles outbreaks in the UK and pertussis outbreaks in the US have been attributed to declining herd immunity.


Herd Immunity: Three Reasons Why I Don’t Vaccinate My Children… And Why Vaccine Supporters Shouldn’t Care That I Use Vaccine Exemption Forms


Parents who choose not to vaccinate their children and protect them with vaccine exemption forms are often chastised and stereotyped for putting their own kids at risk. But what is even stranger than this assault on individual freedom and informed choice, is that these concerned parents are attacked for putting vaccinated children at risk.

These attacks are based on the theory of “herd immunity.” This hypothesis was plucked out of an old college textbook. It states that the more people are immune to an infectious agent, the less likely an immune-compromised individual is to come in contact with it. In other words herd immunity serves as a human shield – a type of immunity – for “at-risk” individuals. But remember, it’s only a hypothesis.

When outbreaks arise among children, health officials are quick to state that it’s due to a breakdown in ‘herd immunity.‘ Doctors parrot it too, without even looking at the research. They say it’s happening more often nationwide as states make it easier for parents to opt out of vaccinations.

Like argumentative apes, pro-vaccine parents and their physicians start pounding their chest in favor of such statements. They use them to attack anti-vaccine parents, accusing them of “putting vaccinated kids at risk due to a breakdown in herd immunity.”

This is fuzzy logic. And it’s borderline stupid.

After all, if vaccines truly worked, then why would vaccinated kids be at risk?

…Plus, the spread of infection isn’t limited to coming into contact with another person! You can get sick without ever seeing another individual. Therefore, herd immunity is nothing more than a silly catch-phrase used to scare and bully parents into vaccinating their kids. Don’t fall for it parents, keep using the vaccine exemption forms to legally avoid them.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: April 21, 2019 09:02PM

Jon Rappoport, whose email newsletters I receive, often writes about the vaccine issue -

The little fascists of California


First, in 2015, there was SB277, a bill that was passed into law by the CA state legislature and signed by California Governor Jerry Brown---fascists all. Under the guise of protecting children's health, the law canceled all vaccine exemptions except one issued by a medical doctor. But "the note from the doctor" was just a temporary stopgap and diversion away from the bottom-line agenda: vaccinate all kids and put the practice of vaccination into the hands of the State---not individual doctors. Making this into law is the job of SB276, a new CA bill now up for consideration.

If it passes, all attempts to win exemptions from vaccination will be henceforth submitted by a doctor, on a single standard form, to a State Public Health Officer, who will decide whether to approve or deny them. A doctor's word will no longer be sufficient. The State will rule.

State scrutiny of doctors, already at an all-time high in California, will escalate. Applying for a vaccine exemption will itself constitute evidence of professional malpractice.

This is how fascism works in a "modern democracy." All repressive edicts and laws are undertaken "for the good of the people," "for the children," etc.---as rights and freedoms are sucked away by elected and appointed officials.

When necessary, science is bent and twisted and reversed, to give credence to "new progressive laws."

In California, when SB276 passes, a whole new bureau of State Health will be created. Little corrupt officials will be on the hunt for "law-breaking doctors."

Picture this: little Jimmy's mother, who has educated herself on the truth about toxic vaccines, finally finds an MD who is willing to submit a standard form seeking an exemption for her son. The reason? Generalized lowered immunity. A State officer turns it down. Jimmy's mother talks to her husband about moving out of California. He has a decent job. He tells her his prospects in another state would be dim. After much discussion, they decide to stay where they are. On the occasion of Jimmy's sixth vaccination, he suffers brain damage. He will never be the same again. The diagnosis is autism.

This is life in the fascist state of California.


Jon Rappoport websites -



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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: April 27, 2019 01:52AM

They're going after 'Anti-Vaxxers' now -

Discriminatory censorship? GoFundMe bans anti-vaccine crowdfunding


Crowdfunding platform GoFundMe’s decision to ban anti-vaxxers is discriminatory and hypocritical, media and legal analyst Lionel tells RT, even if the selective censorship by a non-governmental body is –strictly speaking– legal.

"It depends on whose ox is being gored."

“Is this an opinion, and is this a discussion point that should be protected? And if so, by whom?” Lionel asks rhetorically, explaining that, while as a private company GoFundMe has a right to kick anti-vaxxers off its platform, if a competing fundraising site tried to ban a more socially-acceptable group – an LGBT activist organization, say, or a pro-choice campaign – “they’d be in the streets and screaming and yelling!”

“We understand that those are the rules. But why is it that we cannot discuss this?” he asks, interrogating the American Medical Association’s warning to tech companies that they have a “responsibility” to “curb anti-vax propaganda.” Why, he wonders, isn’t the doctors’ organization demanding a crackdown on vaping, or chocolate bars, or other heavily-promoted items that do much more damage to Americans’ health than failure to vaccinate?

"Propaganda means something somebody else doesn’t like!"

Instead of the spirited debates of the past, then, “what we do is instead we say no! Stop talking! Time out!” It may be any of these platforms’ right to shut down unpopular points of view, Lionel says, but is it really worthy of the “land of the free and home of the brave?”


Toxic reaction: Anti-vaxxers may be wrong, but Facebook censoring people for being wrong is worse


Health professionals and policymakers see vaccination skeptics as a public menace, but forcing Facebook, YouTube, Amazon and others to shut them down has its own hazards, and probably won’t work either.

From giving a hero’s welcome in Congress to the Ohio teen who defied his mother to get his jab, to a slew of editorials, to panicked statements from public officials about the return of measles and other retro diseases, there is a coordinated campaign to give vaccination a booster shot.

In fact, the World Health Organization (WHO) itself called what is now politely called “vaccine hesitancy” one of the top health issues of 2019.

There is nothing sinister here, but has often happened since the moral panic over Russian hacking, the initiative has taken a gangrenous turn online.

There are now calls for Facebook to ban anti-vaxxer groups, and YouTube has “deprioritized” videos discussing potential side effects, making them harder to find.

Image-based social media site Pinterest has implemented the simplest solution of all – blocking searches containing the word ‘vaccination’. What you don’t know can’t hurt you.

A reminder: however misguided one believes the anti-vaccination stance to be, its proponents are neither breaking the law, nor inciting for it to be broken.

This is, at heart, a scientific debate. Censoring one side is not winning that debate.

Also, who else holds views that the establishment finds unpalatable? What about statin skeptics who believe that the side effects of the cholesterol-lowering medicine are underreported, while the profit-making benefits are exaggerated? Trendy diet advocates? Climate change ‘deniers’? Researchers of genetic theories of IQ? Probably not Flat Earthers – even the government isn’t sure what to do with them.

Are they next? This might appear to be a standard slippery slope argument, but if we hadn’t seen a geometric progression of things politicians want banned from social media, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.

A punitively neater proposal is simply to “demonetize” anti-vaxxer advocates online, preventing them from making a living from putting forward their views.

As always, let's transfer it to a world most people find more familiar: would we be comfortable if authors writing books on ‘unproven’ scientific theories were banned from selling them for profit? Should there be a committee of esteemed academics, bureaucrats and publishers that rules on what is a valid hypothesis before the public has a chance to decide for itself?

Those pushing for these measures might consider an attack on fundamental liberties a price worth paying. As always, it is justified by the most urgent imperatives – in this case saving lives.

But will it even have the desired effect?

Anti-vaccination concerns were not created by the ubiquitous ‘right-wing trolls’ or meddling Russians, nor did they first appear on social media.

Multiplying for decades, they are a symptom of wider societal mistrust of authority, mixed with genuine concern among millions of parents for their children. Also, an unintended consequence of the near-eradication of illnesses tackled by some of the most common vaccinations, which have changed the risk calculations. Mum and dad are happy to take the chance little Jack doesn’t catch polio playing outside.

Now, as a senior official looking at people as outcome statistics, you might think that the public at large can be irrational and complacent idiots. But the heavy-handed approach here is likely to incubate resentment, and only give more succor to the conspiracy theorists.

If the problem is a lack of education, educate people. You can’t teach people by cutting off access to information. If the imminent loss of herd immunity is a public health crisis waiting to happen, campaign as politicians to make vaccination compulsory and see how far you get.

But don’t trample on citizens’ fundamental rights – that is a shortcut, not a serum.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: April 27, 2019 02:55AM

The link RT above by jennifer
90% of post by Comrade Jennifer are copy paste from RT

WTF RT RUSSIA TODAY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Inside RT, Russia’s Kremlin-Controlled Propaganda Network
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By DAVID Z. MORRIS September 17, 2017
The role of Russian hackers in the 2016 U.S. election has been discussed extensively, and the Russian government is widely believed to have played some role in the crucial leaking of Democratic Party emails. But Russia has a much more visible set of tools for exerting influence abroad — in the form of Kremlin-controlled television networks across the globe.

In a comprehensive new report, The New York Times chronicles the past and present of RT, the global TV network formerly known as Russia Today. RT was presaged by the Soviet propaganda efforts of the postwar years, but the current push for Russian soft power began in 2005, shepherded by an advertising innovator named Mikhail Lesin and Russia’s strongman President, Vladimir Putin.

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The original mission was to improve Russia’s image abroad. But RT has grown to include a half-dozen international arms, all broadcasting in local languages, and often addressing local issues with a Russian twist. RT and its sister operation, Sputnik News, have recently taken strong stances on both Brexit and France’s presidential vote, and were accused by France’s now-President Emmanuel Macron of spreading “fake news about me.”

In its early years, RT provided a platform for various fringe or simply false narratives in American public discourse. It has featured guests arguing that the 9/11 attacks were a CIA conspiracy and that Osama bin Laden’s death was faked. More recently, RT America has been more likely to highlight legitimate but marginalized political perspectives, and further blurs the line between propaganda and commentary by employing respected U.S. journalists such as Chris Hedges, Ed Schultz, and Larry King.

While the outlets have relatively low viewership, social media can give RT’s content and arguments broad traction. In the fall of 2016, RT America stories supported conspiracy theories undermining Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy, such as that surrounding the death of DNC staffer Seth Rich. The stories were widely shared on social media, both by Russian bots and real people.

But according to a social network analyst interviewed by the Times, RT isn’t simply a platform for a right-wing agenda. Rather, it fuels fringe viewpoints across the political spectrum, providing grist for libertarian, far-left, and anti-globalization factions as well. The goal, it seems, may not be so much to make Americans more amenable to Russian viewpoints, as to simply make our political culture more fragmented, skeptical, and unpredictable.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2019 03:00AM by riverhousebill.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: April 27, 2019 07:50PM

Back to thread, just had to comment on RT Link???

Why are so many people suspicious of pharma in general and vaccines in particular? It’s pretty easy to figure it out. The industry has been engaging in bad behavior for several decades, and these self-inflicted wounds have turned much of the public against it.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: April 29, 2019 11:47PM

But is vaccination harmful if you are already healthy?

For the good of everyone else who are not that healthy vaccination may be required to protect a weak immune system.

Not having every one vaccinated when most have weak immune systems is a far greater risk than having every one plus the few healthy vaccinated with possible side effects.

I have to admit I have not read the literature on the side effects of vaccination so I may be off.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2019 12:11AM by RawPracticalist.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: April 30, 2019 03:03AM

Yeah, you are off.

If nothing else, just imagine if you had a new little baby. Would you want any substances injected into your baby's body? Doesn't that just seem un-natural and negative to the baby. Just use common sense. It doesn't make sense to inject anything into a brand new healthy baby's body.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: April 30, 2019 04:13AM

Jennifer before you play the - Just use common sense card,

How about inhaling not just injecting into a new born,?
150 million barrels of petrol to smog vapor every 24 hours on planet

And you make take creep shots at AOC New green deal -
But not a peep about a President who picks the likes David Bernhardt, a Former Oil Lobbyist the Head of Interior Dept? unqualified corporate cronies?
90% of world's children are breathing toxic air, WHO study finds.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: April 30, 2019 06:38AM

Yeah, you are off.

If nothing else, just imagine if you had a new little baby. Would you want any substances injected into your baby's body? Doesn't that just seem un-natural and negative to the baby. Just use common sense. It doesn't make sense to inject anything into a brand new healthy baby's body.

How many are there, the intoxicated mothers, the mothers on drugs, crack cocaine having brand new healthy babies. The babies have been smoking since conception. They may need mandatory vaccines.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: April 30, 2019 11:43PM

That's a separate situation that needs special care. I mean a newborn healthy baby.

Your statement above:


Not having every one vaccinated when most have weak immune systems is a far greater risk than having every one plus the few healthy vaccinated with possible side effects.

That's an opinion, and needs quantitative data.

How come it's never addressed by the Vaccination Bullies - Children who are vaccinated against a disease contact the disease ...


Anyway I ran across this article the other day, about how these disease which big pharma invented vaccines to prevent, were already in decline in a big way.

Better read at the link, to see the graphs, charts, images, etc.

The Impact of Vaccines on Mortality Decline Since 1900—According to Published Science


Since 1900, there’s been a 74% decline in mortality rates in developed countries, largely due to a marked decrease in deaths from infectious diseases. How much of this decline was due to vaccines? The history and data provide clear answers that matter greatly in today’s vitriolic debate about vaccines.

CHICAGO, Illinois?—Since 1900, the mortality rate in America and other first-world countries has declined by roughly 74%, creating a dramatic improvement in quality of life and life expectancy for Americans.

The simple question: “How did this happen?”

Why did the mortality rate decline so precipitously? If you listen to vaccine promoters, the answer is simple: vaccines saved us. What’s crazy about this narrative is how easy it is to disprove, the data is hiding in plain sight. The fact that this easily-proven-false narrative persists, however, tells us a lot about the world we live in, and I hope will encourage parents to reconsider the veracity of many of the narratives they’ve been fed about vaccines, and do their own primary research.

1970, Dr. Edward H. Kass

Standing before his colleagues on October 19, 1970, Harvard’s Dr. Edward H. Kass gave a speech to the annual meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America that would likely get him run out of this same profession today. At the time, Dr. Kass was actually the President of the organization, which made the things he had to say about vaccines and their impact on the reduction in American mortality rates even more shocking, at least by today’s standards. Forty-eight years after Dr. Kass’ speech, vaccines have taken on a mythological status in many corners of our world, hyped up by the people who benefit the most from their use. Of course vaccines saved the world. Of course every child should get every vaccine. If you don’t vaccinate, you will enable the return of deadly childhood diseases. If you don’t vaccinate, your child will die. If you question vaccines, even a little, you’re an “anti-vaxxer” who should be shunned and dismissed!

But what if most of the history about the role vaccines played in declining mortality isn’t even true?

In his famous speech, Dr. Kass took his infectious disease colleagues to task, warning them that drawing false conclusions about WHY mortality rates had declined so much could cause them to focus on the wrong things. As he explained:

“…we had accepted some half truths and had stopped searching for the whole truths. The principal half truths were that medical research had stamped out the great killers of the past?—tuberculosis, diphtheria, pneumonia, puerperal sepsis, etc.?—and that medical research and our superior system of medical care were major factors extending life expectancy, thus providing the American people with the highest level of health available in the world. That these are half truths is known but is perhaps not as well known as it should be.

Dr. Kass then shared some eye-opening charts with his colleagues. I’m trying to imagine a President of the Infectious Diseases Society of America sharing one of these charts today at a meeting of public health officials. I picture someone turning the power off for the room where he’s presenting and then he gets tackled and carried off the stage…here’s the first example of a chart Dr. Kass shared in 1970:

But wait a minute, Dr. Kass’ chart doesn’t even include the measles vaccine…what gives? Well, in 1970, the measles vaccine was just beginning to be rolled out, and as you can clearly see, measles had long since experienced a dramatic decline in mortality. With Pertussis (Whooping Cough), he produced a similar chart:

In this case, you can actually see when the Pertussis vaccine was introduced. He also showed a chart for Scarlett Fever, which furthers the confusion about the role of vaccines, because there’s never been a Scarlett Fever vaccine, and yet the chart of a huge decline in mortality from Scarlett Fever looks very similar to measles and pertussis:

What’s the point?

Dr. Kass was trying to make a simple point to his colleagues, but one with profound implications for public health. His point was so important, I’m going to quote him in really big font to try and drive it home:

“This decline in rates of certain disorders, correlated roughly with socioeconomic circumstances, is merely the most important happening in the history of the health of man, yet we have only the vaguest and most general notions about how it happened and by what mechanisms socioeconomic improvement and decreased rates of certain diseases run in parallel.”

Dr. Kass pled with his colleagues to be open to understanding WHY infectious diseases had declined so dramatically in the U.S. (as well as other first world countries). Was it nutrition? Sanitary methods? A reduction in home crowding? (We’ve since learned the answer to all three questions is, “Yes.”) He encouraged his colleagues to be careful not to jump to conclusions prematurely and to maintain objectivity and “devote ourselves to new possibilities.”

Luckily for us, Dr. Kass’ speech that day has been saved for posterity, as it was printed in its entirety in a medical journal. In fact, it’s a journal that Dr. Kass himself founded, The Journal of Infectious Diseases, and his speech is called, “Infectious Disease and Social Change.” There are a number of things about Dr. Kass’ speech that I found breathtaking, especially given that he was the President of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. Namely:

1. He never referred to vaccines as “mankind’s greatest invention” or one of the other many hyperbolic ways vaccines are described all the time by vaccine promoters in the press today. Vaccines weren’t responsible for saving “millions of lives” in the United States, as Dr. Kass well knew.

2. In fact, he never gave vaccines much credit AT ALL for the developed world’s dramatic mortality decline. Which makes sense, because none of the data he had would have supported that view. Which made me wonder, “has anyone tried to put the contribution of vaccines to the decline in human mortality in the 20th century in context?” Said differently, is there any data that measures exactly how much impact vaccines had in saving humanity? Yes, indeed there is. Read on.

1977: McKinlay & McKinlay: The most famous study you’ve never heard of

It won’t be the world’s easiest read, but I hope you take the time to read every word. In 1977, Boston University epidemiologists (and husband and wife) John and Sonja McKinlay published the seminal work on the role vaccines (and other medical interventions) played in the massive decline in mortality seen in the twentieth century, that 74% number I talked about in my opening paragraph. Not only that, but their study warned against the very behavior we are now seeing in the world of vaccines. Namely, they warned that a group of profiteers might take more credit for the results of an intervention (vaccines) than the intervention deserves, and then use those fake results to create a world where their product must be used by everyone. Seriously, they predicted that this would happen. (It’s worth noting that the McKinlay Study used to be required reading at every medical school.)

…they warned that a group of profiteers might take more credit for the results of an intervention (vaccines) than the intervention deserves, and then use those fake results to create a world where their product must be used by everyone.

Published in 1977 in The Millbank Memorial Fund Quarterly, the McKinlay’s study was titled, “The Questionable Contribution of Medical Measures to the Decline of Mortality in the United States in the Twentieth Century.” The study clearly proved, with data, something that the McKinlay’s acknowledged might be viewed by some as medical “heresy.” Namely:

“that the introduction of specific medical measures and/or the expansion of medical services are generally not responsible for most of the modern decline in mortality.”

By “medical measures,” the McKinlay’s really meant ANYTHING modern medicine had come up with, whether that was antibiotics, vaccines, new prescription drugs, whatever. The McKinlay’s 23-page study really should be read cover to cover, but in a nutshell the McKinlay’s sought to analyze how much of an impact medical interventions (antibiotics, surgery, vaccines) had on this massive decline in mortality rates between 1900 and 1970:

Here are some of the major points their paper made:

* 92.3% of the mortality rate decline happened between 1900 and 1950 [before most vaccines existed]

* Medical measures “appear to have contributed little to the overall decline in mortality in the United States since about 1900–having in many instances been introduced several decades after a marked decline had already set in and having no detectable influence in most instances.”

And, here’s the two doozies…

The paper makes two points that I really want to highlight, because they are so important. The first one concerns vaccines. They write:

“Even if it were assumed that this change was entirely due to the vaccines, then only about one percent of the decline following interventions for the diseases considered here could be attributed to medical measures. Rather more conservatively, if we attribute some of the subsequent fall in the death rates for pneumonia, influenza, whooping cough, and diphtheria to medical measures, then perhaps 3.5 percent of the fall in the overall death rate can be explained through medical intervention in the major infectious diseases considered here. Indeed, given that it is precisely for these diseases that medicine claims most success in lowering mortality, 3.5 percent probably represents a reasonable upper-limit estimate of the total contribution of medical measures to the decline in mortality in the United States since 1900.”

In plain English: of the total decline in mortality since 1900, that 74% number I keep mentioning, vaccines (and other medical interventions like antibiotics) were responsible for somewhere between 1% and 3.5% of that decline. Said differently, at least 96.5% of the decline (and likely more than that since their numbers included ALL medical interventions, not ONLY vaccines) had nothing to do with vaccines.

You don’t get to say you saved humanity if, at most, you were responsible for 3.5% of the decline in mortality rates since 1900 (and probably closer to 1%).

And then the McKinlay’s wrote something that made me laugh out loud, because it’s the thing we are seeing every day in today’s vaccine-hyped world:

“It is not uncommon today for biotechnological knowledge and specific medical interventions to be invoked as the major reason for most of the modern (twentieth century) decline in mortality. Responsibility for this decline is often claimed by, or ascribed to, the present-day major beneficiaries of this prevailing explanation.”

Sound familiar?

2000: the CDC puts the final nail in the coffin

In 1970, Dr. Kass raised the idea that public health officials need to be careful to not give the wrong things credit for the twentieth century’s massive mortality rate decline in the developed world. In 1977, Drs. McKinlay & McKinlay put data around Dr. Kass’ ideas, and showed that vaccines (and other medical interventions) were responsible for between 1-3.5% of the total decline in mortality since 1900. In 2000, CDC scientists reconfirmed all this data, but also provided more insight into the things that actually have led to declines in mortality.

Published in September 2000 in the journal Pediatrics and titled, “Annual Summary of Vital Statistics: Trends in the Health of Americans During the 20th Century,” epidemiologists from both Johns Hopkins and the Centers for Disease Control reaffirmed what we had already learned from McKinlay and McKinlay:

“Thus vaccination does not account for the impressive declines in mortality seen in the first half of the century…nearly 90% of the decline in infectious disease mortality among US children occurred before 1940, when few antibiotics or vaccine were available.”

The study went on to explain the things that actually were responsible for a massive decline in mortality:

“water treatment, food safety, organized solid waste disposal, and public education about hygienic practices.” Also, “improvements in crowding in US cities” played a major role. Clean water. Safe food. Nutrition. Plumbing. Hygiene. These were the primary reasons mortality declined so precipitously. At least according to the data and published science.

Recent history

I get really strong reactions when I share this chart, compiled from CDC data:

This chart is compiled from this dataset provided by the CDC. You can see that nine vaccines we give children today didn’t even exist in the mid-1980s. Moreover, the vaccination rates for the three vaccines that did exist were hovering near 60% or less as late as the mid-1980s. Today, vaccination rates are all well north of 90% for American children. I think it’s fair to ask, “why so much panic”? If you think about this chart for long enough, it makes you realize how silly the oft-invoked notion of “herd immunity” really is, since we obviously couldn’t have been anywhere near vaccine-induced herd immunity in the mid-1980s. In fact, we’re really no closer today, because adult vaccination rates remain so low, and vaccines wane over time.

Why the truth matters

As McKinlay and McKinlay warned, if the wrong intervention (like vaccines) is singled out as the reason Americans and the rest of the first world experienced such a dramatic decrease in mortality in the 20th century, that misinformation can be abused to do things like:

* Rapidly expanding the number of vaccines given to children

* Browbeating parents who chose to follow a different vaccine schedule and making them feel guilty

* Making vaccines mandatory

* Speaking about vaccines in such reverential terms that even questioning them (like I’m doing in this article) is viewed as sacreligious and irresponsible.
* And, denying that vaccines injuries happen at high rates, to keep the whole machine moving in the right direction. (By the way, the best guess of vaccine injury rate is about 2% of people who receive vaccines, according to this study commissioned and paid for by the CDC when they actually automated the tracking of vaccine injuries. The “one in a million” figure thrown around by vaccine promoters is simply an unsupportable lie.)

Africa, and other third world countries

Vaccine promoters will often quote statistics about present-day deaths from infectious diseases that sound deeply alarming. Using examples of a disease like measles, they might explain how many children still die from measles every year, and therefore its gravely important that EVERY American parent vaccinate their child for measles. Of course, what they don’t mention is that these infectious disease deaths are happening in places that still have quality of life conditions akin to American children of the early 1900s. Poor nutrition. No plumbing or refrigeration. Bad hygiene practices. Crowded living conditions. All the things that ACTUALLY impacted the mortality rate the most haven’t yet been addressed in certain parts of Africa and other third world countries, and JUST implementing vaccines won’t change the facts. This was Dr. Kass’ point in the first place: know what actually led to the mortality rate decline, and do more of that!

In fact, we now have some data that shows vaccinating children living in situations where they have poor nutrition and lack of sanitation can actually do more harm than good:

The “Aaby Study”

Published in the peer-reviewed journal EBioMedicine in 2017, the study is titled, “The Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Oral Polio Vaccine Among Young Infants in an Urban African Community: A Natural Experiment.” Researchers from the Research Center for Vitamins and Vaccines, Statens Serum Institut (Denmark), and Bandim Health Project looked closely at data from the West African nation of Guinea-Bissau. The scientists in this study closely explored the concept of NSEs, “nonspecific effects” of vaccines, which is a fancy way of saying vaccines may make a child more susceptible to other infections. They found that the data for African children who had been vaccinated with the DTP vaccine:

“was associated with 5-fold higher mortality than being unvaccinated. No prospective study has shown beneficial survival effects of DTP. . . . DTP is the most widely used vaccine. . . . All currently available evidence suggests that DTP vaccine may kill more children from other causes than it saves from diphtheria, tetanus, or pertussis. Though a vaccine protects children against the target disease, it may simultaneously increase susceptibility to unrelated infections.”

In lay terms, this means that giving an African child the DTP vaccine may make the child sick from other infections. It appears that in Africa, the living conditions are more important than the vaccine (as you would very much expect from Dr. Kass’ and the Drs. McKinlay’s work), and the DTP vaccine did indeed do more harm than good. (It’s worth noting that Dr. Aaby was a highly regarded vaccine researcher until he published this study in 2017. It’s my understanding that he has since lost his funding sources. Welcome to today’s world of vaccine “science.”)

Every Second Child

We have another real world example of this phenomenon from the late 1970s. Dr. Archie Kalokerinos made a simple discovery, as he explains:

“At first it was just a simple clinical observation. I observed that many infants, after they received routine vaccines like tetanus, diphtheria, polio, whooping cough or whatever, became ill. Some became extremely ill, and in fact some died. It was an observation, It was not a theory. So my first reaction was to look at the reasons why this happened. Of course I found it was more likely to happen in infants who were ill at the time of receiving a vaccine, or infants who had been ill recently, or infants who were incubating an infection. Of course in the early stages of incubation there is no way whatsoever that anyone can detect the disease. They turn up later on. Furthermore, some of the reactions to the vaccines were not those that were listed in the standard literature.

They were very strange reactions indeed. A third observation was that with some of these reactions which normally resulted in death I found that I could reverse them by giving large amounts of vitamin C intramuscularly or intravenously. One would have expected, of course, that the authorities would take an interest in these observations that resulted in a dramatic drop in the death rate of infants in the area under my control, a very dramatic drop. But instead of taking an interest their reaction was one of extreme hostility. This forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further I looked into it the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instance of these diseases you will realise that this is not so.”

Dr Kalokerinos also said something in 1995 that it appears Dr. Aaby’s study was able to corroborate in 2017:

“And if you want to see what harm vaccines do, don’t come to Australia or New Zealand or any place, go to Africa and you will see it there.”

We actually knew the truth in the early 1900s, even before the rapid decline in mortality Well ahead of his time, Englishman John Thomas Biggs was the sanitary engineer for his town of Leicester and had to actively respond to outbreaks of smallpox. He quickly learned that the public health outcomes from sanitation vastly outweighed the impact of vaccination (where he saw dramatic vaccine injury and ineffectiveness). He wrote a definitive work in 1912, Leicester: Sanitation versus Vaccination. More than one hundred years ago, Mr. Biggs discovered what the CDC reaffirmed in 2000: Nothing protects from infectious disease like proper sanitation. He explained:

“Leicester has furnished, both by precept and example, irrefutable proof of the capability and influence of Sanitation, not only in combating and controlling, but also in practically banishing infectious diseases from its midst. . . . A town newly planned on the most up-to-date principles of space and air, and adopting the “Leicester Method” of Sanitation, could bid defiance not to small-pox only, but to other infectious, if not to nearly all zymotic, diseases.”

Dr. Andrew Weil, the oft-quoted celebrity doctor, reenforces the point, explaining that “medicine has taken credit it does not deserve for some advances in health. Most people believe that victory over the infectious diseases of the last century came with the invention of immunizations. In fact, cholera, typhoid, tetanus, diphtheria, and whooping cough, and the others were in decline before vaccines for them became available — the result of better methods of sanitation, sewage disposal, and distribution of food and water.”


Vaccines didn’t save humanity. Their impact was somewhere between 1-3.5% of the total decline in mortality rates. Improvement in sanitation and standards of living really did (nutrition, living conditions, etc.). Did vaccines contribute to a small decrease of certain acute illnesses? Yes, but their relative benefit is often exaggerated to an extreme, and then used to browbeat, guilt, and scare parents.

So am I saying no one should vaccinate? No, I’m not. Vaccines provide temporary protection from certain acute illnesses. Some matter more than others. I personally think we give way too many vaccines, and I think the risk/benefit equation of each vaccine is often obscured. Worse, the lie that vaccines saved humanity in the twentieth century has turned many vaccine promoters into zealots, even though their narratives are simply not supported by the facts. But, by all means, get as many vaccines as you want, I respect your right to make your own medical care choices.

In late 2017, it was reported that Emory University scientists were developing a common cold vaccine. Professor Martin Moore bragged that his research “takes 50 strains of the common cold and puts it into one shot” and that the monkeys who served as test subjects “responded very well.” You should expect to see this vaccine at your pediatrician’s office in the next five years, which will likely be rolled out soon after the stories start to appear in the media about the common cold causing childhood deaths, and that millions of lives will be saved, much as vaccines saved the world in the twentieth century…parents beware, and do your own research!

Author’s note:

There are two excellent resources that I would recommend if you are interested in diving down the rabbit hole of the true history of infectious disease. The first is the amazing book, Dissolving Illusions, by Suzanne Humphries. The second is a comprehensive article by Roman Bystriany titled, Measles: The New Red Scare. (If you read it, you will be deeply disillusioned by the media hype—don’t say I didn’t warn you!)

Journalist Lawrence Solomon has also written two excellent articles about measles: 1) Lawrence Solomon: The untold story of measles, and 2) Lawrence Solomon: Vaccines can’t prevent measles outbreaks.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2019 11:48PM by Jennifer.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: May 01, 2019 01:12AM

The whole Vaccine Debate can be summed up in this one paragraph (red statesments are key) I just ran across on this website -


"I heard no one mention the fact that vaccine efficacy of 40%, 60%, 80% (approximately correct for influenza, diphtheria, mumps vaccines) might also pose some risk to the immunodeficient. (These are just examples; most other vaccines have efficacy in the 60-90% range.) Actually, any statistician could tell you that low efficacy poses considerably more risk than exemption rates of 1-5% (depending on which required vaccine we are discussing). Vaccines with low efficacy make the claim of herd immunity a joke--but did even one "expert" at the hearings know or care?"

In other words - it's common knowledge that vaccines are not 100% effective against getting the disease. So let's compare the percentage of children who get vaccinated and still contact the disease against those who do not get vaccinated and contact the disease. Like if the measles vaccine is only 70% effective and 5% of those vaccinated are adversely affected, yet only 5% of children are un-vaccinated, then THE VACCINE ITSELF POSES A HUGE RISK to the vaccinated group of children, whereas The Un-Vaccinated Children do not pose a risk at all to the Vaccinated Children.

Vaccines do more harm than good - risk/reward is lousy.

Where do you find the statistic for a particular vaccine - how many vaccinated children contacted the disease and how many un-vaccinated children contacted the disease. That's the fact we need to know.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: May 01, 2019 03:02AM

Oops. I mean what percentage of vaccinated children contacted the disease compared to what percentage of unvaccinated children contacted the disease.

Then throw in what percentage of vaccinated children were adversely affected by the vaccine...

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: May 01, 2019 03:12AM

There are probably proportionally as many conflicting scientific papers as there are people with conflicting views.

Common sense should prevail.


The “Hygiene and Better Nutrition Are Responsible for the Reduction in Disease Rates, Not Vaccination” Misconception

Improved hygiene and nutrition, among other factors, can certainly lower the incidence of some diseases. Data documenting the number of cases of a disease before and after the introduction of a vaccine, however, demonstrate that vaccines are overwhelmingly responsible for the largest drops in disease rates. Measles cases, for example, numbered anywhere from 300,000 to 800,000 a year in the United States between 1950 and 1963, when a newly licensed measles vaccine went into widespread use. By 1965, U.S. measles cases were beginning a dramatic drop. In 1968 about 22,000 cases were reported (a drop of 97.25% from the height of 800,000 cases in just three years); by 1998, the number of cases averaged about 100 per year or less. A similar post-vaccination drop occurred with most diseases for which vaccines are available.

Perhaps the best evidence that vaccines, and not hygiene and nutrition, are responsible for the sharp drop in disease and death rates is chickenpox. If hygiene and nutrition alone were enough to prevent infectious diseases, chickenpox rates would have dropped long before the introduction of the varicella vaccine, which was not available until the mid-1990s. Instead, the number of chickenpox cases in the United States in the early 1990s, before the vaccine was introduced in 1995, was about four million a year. By 2004, the disease incidence had dropped by about 85%.

The “Natural Immunity Is Better Than Vaccine-acquired Immunity” Misconception

Some people argue that the immunity gained from surviving a natural infection provides better protection than that provided by vaccines. While it’s true that natural immunity lasts longer in some cases than vaccine-induced immunity can, the risks of natural infection outweigh the risks of immunization for every recommended vaccine.

For example, wild measles infection causes encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) for one in 1,000 infected individuals, and, for every 1,000 reported measles cases, two individuals die. The combination MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine, however, results in encephalitis or a severe allergic reaction only once in every million vaccinated individuals, while preventing measles infection. The benefits of vaccine-acquired immunity extraordinarily outweigh the serious risks of natural infection, even in cases where boosters are required to maintain immunity.

Additionally, the Hib (Haemophilus Influenzae type b) and tetanus vaccines actually provide more effective immunity than natural infection.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: May 02, 2019 12:07AM


Here are the Myths About Vaccines put out by BIG PHARMA - THE VACCINE INDUSTRY -


U.S. public health officials and physicians have been combating misconceptions about vaccine safety for over twenty years. They’ve had mixed success. Despite the fact that numerous studies have found no evidence to support the notion that vaccines cause autism and other chronic illnesses, a growing number of parents are refusing to vaccinate their children.

Researchers now link falling immunization rates to recent resurgences of vaccine-preventable diseases. In 2010, California saw 9,120 cases of whooping cough, more than any year since the whooping cough vaccine was introduced in the 1940s. Ten infants too young to be vaccinated died of whooping cough during the outbreak. The CDC warns that events like these will become more frequent and harder to control if vaccination rates continue to fall.

Fears over the safety of vaccines are understandable. The CDC vaccination schedule calls for children to receive up to 14 inoculations by the age of six – many of them vaccines developed within the last twenty years. Many parents distrust these vaccines; worried about the potential for risks and long-term side effects. Research, however, shows that most of our biggest fears about vaccinations are unfounded. These eight major vaccine myths that research has shown to be baseless:

Myth #1: Vaccines cause autism.
The widespread fear that vaccines increase risk of autism originated with a 1997 study published by Andrew Wakefield, a British surgeon. The article was published in The Lancet, a prestigious medical journal, suggesting that the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine was increasing autism in British children.

The paper has since been completely discredited due to serious procedural errors, undisclosed financial conflicts of interest, and ethical violations. Andrew Wakefield lost his medical license and the paper was retracted from The Lancet.

Nonetheless, the hypothesis was taken seriously, and several other major studies were conducted. None of them found a link between any vaccine and the likelihood of developing autism.

Today, the true causes of autism remain a mystery, but to the discredit of the autism-vaccination link theory, several studies have now identified symptoms of autism in children well before they receive the MMR vaccine. And even more recent research provides evidence that autism develops in utero, well before a baby is born or receives vaccinations.

Myth #2: Infant immune systems can’t handle so many vaccines.
Infant immune systems are stronger than you might think. Based on the number of antibodies present in the blood, a baby would theoretically have the ability to respond to around 10,000 vaccines at one time. Even if all 14 scheduled vaccines were given at once, it would only use up slightly more than 0.1% of a baby’s immune capacity. And scientists believe this capacity is purely theoretical. The immune system could never truly be overwhelmed because the cells in the system are constantly being replenished. In reality, babies are exposed to countless bacteria and viruses every day, and immunizations are negligible in comparison.

Though there are more vaccinations than ever before, today’s vaccines are far more efficient. Small children are actually exposed to fewer immunologic components overall than children in past decades.

Myth #3: Natural immunity is better than vaccine-acquired immunity.
In some cases, natural immunity — meaning actually catching a disease and getting sick– results in a stronger immunity to the disease than a vaccination. However, the dangers of this approach far outweigh the relative benefits. If you wanted to gain immunity to measles, for example, by contracting the disease, you would face a 1 in 500 chance of death from your symptoms. In contrast, the number of people who have had severe allergic reactions from an MMR vaccine, is less than one-in-one million.

Myth #4: Vaccines contain unsafe toxins.
People have concerns over the use of formaldehyde, mercury or aluminum in vaccines. It’s true that these chemicals are toxic to the human body in certain levels, but only trace amounts of these chemicals are used in FDA approved vaccines. In fact, according to the FDA and the CDC, formaldehyde is produced at higher rates by our own metabolic systems and there is no scientific evidence that the low levels of this chemical, mercury or aluminum in vaccines can be harmful. See section III of this guide to review safety information about these chemicals and how they are used in vaccines.

Myth #5: Better hygiene and sanitation are actually responsible for decreased infections, not vaccines.
Vaccines don’t deserve all the credit for reducing or eliminating rates of infectious disease. Better sanitation, nutrition, and the development of antibiotics helped a lot too. But when these factors are isolated and rates of infectious disease are scrutinized, the role of vaccines cannot be denied.

One example is measles in the United States. When the first measles vaccine was introduced in 1963, rates of infection had been holding steady at around 400,000 cases a year. And while hygienic habits and sanitation didn’t change much over the following decade, the rate of measles infections dropped precipitously following the introduction of the vaccine, with only around 25,000 cases by 1970. Another example is Hib disease. According to CDC data, the incidence rate for this malady plummeted from 20,000 in 1990 to around 1,500 in 1993, following the introduction of the vaccine.

Myth #6: Vaccines aren’t worth the risk.
Despite parent concerns, children have been successfully vaccinated for decades. In fact, there has never been a single credible study linking vaccines to long term health conditions.

As for immediate danger from vaccines, in the form of allergic reactions or severe side effects, the incidence of death are so rare they can’t even truly be calculated. For example, only one death was reported to the CDC between 1990 and 1992 that was attributable to a vaccine. The overall incidence rate of severe allergic reaction to vaccines is usually placed around one case for every one or two million injections.

Myth #7: Vaccines can infect my child with the disease it’s trying to prevent.
Vaccines can cause mild symptoms resembling those of the disease they are protecting against. A common misconception is that these symptoms signal infection. In fact, in the small percentage (less than 1 in one million cases) where symptoms do occur, the vaccine recipients are experiencing a body’s immune response to the vaccine, not the disease itself. There is only one recorded instance in which a vaccine was shown to cause disease. This was the Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) which is no longer used in the U.S. Since then, vaccines have been in safe use for decades and follow strict Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations.

Myth #8: We don’t need to vaccinate because infection rates are already so low in the United States.
Thanks to “herd immunity,” so long as a large majority of people are immunized in any population, even the unimmunized minority will be protected. With so many people resistant, an infectious disease will never get a chance to establish itself and spread. This is important because there will always be a portion of the population – infants, pregnant women, elderly, and those with weakened immune systems – that can’t receive vaccines.

But if too many people don’t vaccinate themselves or their children, they contribute to a collective danger, opening up opportunities for viruses and bacteria to establish themselves and spread.

Not to mention, as the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) warn, international travel is growing quickly, so even if a disease is not a threat in your country, it may be common elsewhere. If someone were to carry in a disease from abroad, an unvaccinated individual will be at far greater risk of getting sick if he or she is exposed.

Vaccines are one of the great pillars of modern medicine. Life used to be especially brutal for children before vaccines, with huge portions being felled by diseases like measles, smallpox, whooping cough, or rubella, to name just a few. Today these ailments can be completely prevented with a simple injection.

So as science continues to advance and tackle new challenges, people should not forget how many deaths and illnesses vaccines have prevented, and how they continue to protect us from potentially devastating forms of infectious disease.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: May 02, 2019 12:25AM

And here is THE TRUTH, THE FACTS. Just go to the Anti-Vaccine websites to find out The Real Story.

For examples, doctors don't even report side effects caused by the vaccines most of the time.

At the article are links to sources -

7 Reasons Vaccinating Your Child Could Be the Worst Mistake You Ever Make


Want to protect your child from:

Tantrums and Rage
Lifelong Migraines
Kidney Disease
Learning Disabilities
Speech Delay
High Pitched Screaming
Autoimmune Disease


“DON’T VACCINATE them!” says the Weston A. Price Foundation.

The foundation, known for its “politically incorrect” nutrition advice, has produced volumes of research and articles related to vaccine damage and ineffectiveness, but this article sums it up the best with a list of “myths” and “truths” and a long list of studies to back up each claim:

MYTH #1 : Vaccines prevent disease

TRUTH: Many diseases such as polio and whooping cough (pertussis) are CAUSED by vaccines.

The number of infants receiving three or more doses of the pertussis vaccine rose from 61 percent to 96 percent between 1991 and 2012. The outbreak of the pertussis virus increased 10-fold over the same period.

Vaccines also contribute to CANCER by not allowing the immune system to exercise itself, suppressing symptoms, and allowing a build-up of debris that a virus may have carried out of the body, says medical doctor and WAP co-founder Tom Cowan:

Whenever we have a normal infection like chicken pox, two arms of our immune system get activated. First is the antibody-based response in the B cells, which make antibodies to remember what happened. [This is the part vaccines activate]. Second is a cell-mediated activation, where the white blood cells chew up the invader and spit it out through fever, mucus, rash, achiness and sweating—all those things we call being sick. [This is the part vaccines bypass and deactivate].

A vaccine is a specific attempt to activate a antibody response and deactivate the cell-mediated response … If you get sick with fever, rash, mucus, after you had a vaccine, that would be a bad vaccine. No one would want that vaccine. The whole point of a vaccine is to deactivate the cell-mediated response so you don’t feel sick, but to activate the antibody response.

This is exactly the same immune situation you see with cancer and auto-immune disease. The cell-mediated response is the only way your body expels microorganisms and foreign proteins, and that response gets shut down with vaccinations. Everyone who is vaccinated ends up with an over-stimulated antibody system and an under-stimulated cell-mediated system. Add to that the use of fever-suppressing drugs like aspirin and Tylenol, as well as antibiotics that kill the bacteria in our guts, and we have a recipe for cancer.

The incidence of cancer has skyrocketed with the introduction of vaccines and with the suppression of the acute sick response. Unlike the primitive man who accepts everything in nature and in the body as a natural process, the civilized man tries to suppress natural processes; he is afraid of them, or thinks they serve no purpose, and cancer is the result.

MYTH #2: High vaccine rates create herd immunity

TRUTH: Herd immunity is a result of permanent immunity, which is only achieved by natural infection

According to another WAP article, when a baby becomes infected with a foreign pathogen, his immune system responds through “a sophisticated web of interlocking reactions” that can produce lifelong immunity to naturally acquired childhood illnesses. These layers of defense systems exist “to keep invading microbes and viruses from taking hold in the deeper systems and organs of the body.”

“But vaccines … are injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing the natural immune response. This deprives the body of the ability to naturally develop life-long immunity to normal childhood illnesses like measles, mumps and chicken pox. Mass vaccination is a man-made attempt to remove the natural infection response from human development and replace it with a series of artificially imposed infections and immune responses determined by the doctor’s vaccination schedule.”

MYTH #3: Only by vaccinating every child can we protect all children from disease

TRUTH: Vaccinated children spread viruses for months after vaccination, prolonging the life of the virus

MYTH #4: Reactions to vaccines are rare

TRUTH: Serious, lifelong, disabling reactions are common

According to VAERS, the government’s own Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, there have been nearly half a million adverse reactions reported since 1990.

The former head of the FDA has admitted only about 1 percent of of serious adverse events are reported, so there have probably been closer to 50 MILLION serious adverse reactions to vaccines in the last 25 years!! Reported reactions include:

* Over 4000 deaths
* Almost 8000 life-threatening reactions
* Almost 8000 permanent disabilities
* Over 170,000 ER visits immediately after vaccination
* Almost 30,000 hospitalizations

MYTH #5: Vaccines don’t cause AUTISM.

TRUTH: There are over 100 peer reviewed studies, linking vaccines to Autism.

A meta-analysis of ALL studies on the topic showed a positive correlation between mercury and autism by a ratio of 3 to 1. So, for every study that shows no correlation, there are three that do.

Vaccines are also linked to ADHD, which occurs in less than 2 percent of unvaccinated children and 8 percent of vaccinated children.

Additionally, asthma is found in only .2 percent of unvaccinated children compared to 15 percent of vaccinated children.

MYTH #6: The amount of aluminum and mercury in vaccines is insignificant

TRUTH: The amount of aluminum and mercury in vaccines is considered extremely toxic when ingested, and injection of these materials makes them harder to eliminate

ALUMINUM: A fully vaccinated 18-month old baby has received 5000 mcg of aluminum. The allowable maximum per day for intravenous feeding for healthy baby is 18 mcg. There are also 500 mcg of aluminum in each dose of the new Gardasil vaccine. The amount of aluminum needed by our bodies? Zero. The number of studies proving safety of injecting aluminum into infants? Zero.

MERCURY: The amount of mercury in liquid waste considered toxic by the EPA? 200 parts per billion. The amount of mercury in “thimerisol-free” vaccines? 2000 ppb. Some infant flu shots contain 25,000 ppb and the multi-dose flu shots given to pregnant women contain 50,000 ppb. All that’s necessary to kill neuroblastoma cells? .5 ppm

MYTH #7: The pharmaceutical industry creates vaccines for the common good

TRUTH: Vaccines are a huge money maker for the pharmaceutical industry
Revenue from vaccines in 2013 alone was $24 BILLION and is projected to be $100 BILLION by 2025.

This only accounts for direct revenue from vaccines. The amount generated for the medical and pharmaceutical industries to “fix” damages they caused remains untold.

“Let your food be your medicine”

“Childhood diseases are either mild or non-existent when parents practice the kind of good nutrition that we advocate. Diets rich in vitamins A and C can protect children against disease much better than vaccinations, and with side effects that are good, never harmful. Public health policy should be aimed at accurate information about nutrition, not the promotion of vaccinations that actually suppress the immune system and often have tragic side effects,” WAP president Sally Fallon writes.

If you must vaccinate, WAP recommends the following guidelines:

• Wait until the child is at least two years old.

• Do not give more than one vaccination at a time.

• Never vaccinate when the child is sick.

• Be sure vaccines are thimerosal-free.

• Supplement with extra cod liver oil, vitamin C and B12 before and after each shot.

• Put your child to bed for at least 24 hours after a shot.

• Obtain a medical exemption if the child has had a bad reaction to a vaccination before or if there is a personal or family history of vaccine reactions.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: May 03, 2019 10:47AM

I was listening to Ben Shapiro and he said the "left" is the party of anti-vaccine. AND Donald Trump himself was pushing vaccines to the media this past week.
Don't forget that the the GOP logo's stars flipped upside down around when Bush Jr. was in office. You know what upside down stars mean, right?
So, I don't buy into this left/right division.

Humans mix poison into edible food to trick another human to swallow the poison.
So conservatives are being swayed to accept vaccines as "right"

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: May 05, 2019 05:29PM

trump anti vaccines thread was good for a laugh.

. the 2016 presidential election that saw Donald Trump rise to power. ... They put forward both pro and anti-vaccination view points on Twitter ...

Got to love the spin!

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: May 06, 2019 12:29PM

>And here is THE TRUTH, THE FACTS. Just go to the Anti-Vaccine websites to find out The Real Story.

The facts.
Infant mortality in developing countries was very high before the introduction of mandatory vaccines.

I have lived it myself growing up in a village where many of my friends died young. Vaccination changed all of that.

It is like saying aspirin and tylenol are not good for us, yes they are not but they are necessary for those whose immune system is weakened, who are not a raw and living foods, and who need to fight a disease they have created in the first place.

One may argue "my child is healthy and I do not want to be vaccinated". You can always do home schooling or take him to a private community where vaccination is not required. For me I will go for the good of all. If my child is very healthy, a vaccine is not going to destroy him.

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Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: May 06, 2019 04:13PM

Keep cognitive biases in mind
Worries around the safety of vaccines have existed as long as vaccines themselves, but much of the recent rise in anti-vaccination sentiment can be traced to a study in the Lancet by Andrew Wakefield that connected autism and the MMR vaccine. That research has now been thoroughly debunked – in 2010, the Lancet issued a retraction on Wakefield’s paper, and he lost his medical licence – but once an idea takes hold, it’s difficult to get rid of it.

That’s because your brain is terrible at processing complex information and rare, emotionally-loaded risks, like a serious adverse reaction to a vaccine. Instead, the brain relies on cognitive biases – shortcuts in how we perceive information. For vaccine hesitancy, we can blame confirmation bias – the tendency to only accept facts that fit our existing beliefs; illusion or explanatory depth bias, which makes us believe that we know more about a subject than we do; and causal illusions, which encourage us to see cause-and-effect where there is none, like between getting a MMR shot and the early signs of autism, which both happen at the same age.

Its very inertesting How Involved Russia is on Vacccine pro con In America,
Im still wondering WTF jennifer posting from RT RUSSIA TODAY Kremlin Govt Propaganda machine, How about that Jennifer quotes from RT you post???

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Posted by: Tai ()
Date: May 06, 2019 07:50PM

Raw practicalist:
I have lived it myself growing up in a village where many of my friends died young. Vaccination changed all of that.

Can you share what else was introduced besides vaccines? Did they also introduce increased health care, different/more food, filtered water, increased education etc? Or was the single only change that vaccines were given?

I think one of the alarming trends is that there are so many more vaccines now to take than there were before. The biggest objection people have is the other ingredients like mercury, aluminum, polysorbate 80, formaldahyde, etc. If you watch vaxxed tv, you will see so many testimonies of kids developing autism AFTER the vaccines. Donald Trump knows about this too. He admitted it when he was running for office. But presidents have to be willing to send men off to war to get killed, so he can't concern himself anymore with autism casualties.

My friend who is a pediatrician knows about this so she will only give one vaccine at a time to kids who have at risk immune systems. I can't fault my friend for trying her best. She works as an employee. She is sort of in the same boat as Donald Trump. They have to go along with the system.

I developed a horrible nightmare reaction to the DPT shot as a kid. My arm blew up to like twice its size.
I have too many stories. My friend's granddaughter just developed Type 1 diabetes one week after her childhood vaccine.

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Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: May 07, 2019 02:02AM

Lets not forget Over 109,000 people died from measles in 2017 — needlessly

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Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: May 07, 2019 02:20AM


Lets not forget Over 109,000 people died from measles in 2017 — needlessly

Link - Source of that Info please.

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Date: May 07, 2019 02:24AM


Keep cognitive biases in mind

Worries around the safety of vaccines have existed as long as vaccines themselves, but much of the recent rise in anti-vaccination sentiment can be traced to a study in the Lancet by Andrew Wakefield that connected autism and the MMR vaccine. That research has now been thoroughly debunked – in 2010, the Lancet issued a retraction on Wakefield’s paper, and he lost his medical licence – but once an idea takes hold, it’s difficult to get rid of it.

Just read lately that Wakefield was not debunked, but can't remember where. I'll have to look it up when I have time.

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Re: Mandatory vaccines in New York!?!
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: May 07, 2019 08:12AM


Bill Gates and the World’s Elite DO NOT VACCINATE their own children… and for good reason

The absolute worst medical decision a parent of a newborn child can make is to allow doctors and nurses to severely compromise the immune system of their infant by injecting him or her with known neurotoxins, foreign proteins, and carcinogens like mercury, formaldehyde, monkey kidney cells, pig viruses, and genetically modified cells from human abortions. That’s why billionaire Bill Gates, the infamous and insidious population control freak and Microsoft mogul, refused to vaccinate his own children when they were growing up, even while he promotes toxic jabs all over the world, especially in third world countries.

It’s true. Gates’ former private doctor from Seattle back in the 1990s said, “I don’t know if he had them vaccinated as adults, but I can tell you he point blank refused to vaccinate them as children.” We know this because the quote was taken from Gates’ doctor during a side note conversation at a medical symposium, which caused a small uproar among the attending physicians, who blasphemed Gates’ doctor for breaking rank with doctor-patient confidentiality (even though it’s a “gray area” because he was speaking to other doctors privately). Still, it was too late – the cat got out of the bag, and now the world knows the ultimate hypocrisy of the elite who radically and religiously push vaccines as the “holy grail” of medicine, all while they keep the same poisons out of their own children’s blood and muscle tissue, knowing good and well the high risk of side effects and adverse events far outweighs any possible benefits.

Bill Gates’ three children, Jennifer, Phoebe, and Rory, NEVER got vaccines and are now healthy young adults
Born between 1996 and 2002, the Gates children never got mercury and formaldehyde shot into their muscle tissue as a form of “immunity,” even though their father is the most dogmatic campaigner and shill for the vaccine industry. Wait, you thought he just made his fortune off computer software? Think again. There’s huge profit in chemical medicine and population control schemes, and insidious Bill rides that cash cow every day.

According to TruthWiki, “Gates is widely criticized for being anti-competitive and for being a pro-vaccine zealot. He engages in many ‘philanthropic endeavors,’ such as donating large amounts of money to various scientific research programs through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Gates has even gone so far as to fund technologies that are designed for mass sterilization in order to address what he refers to as the world’s population problem.”

Herd theory has always been a big hoax, and the world’s elite know it. Most vaccinated children are the actual risk to each other, because they often shed the viruses they were just injected with during the first few weeks after their toxic jabs. According to one study, the richest families in California (that are often white) do NOT vaccinate their children.

In fact, more than 16,000 kindergarten-aged children in California do not get any vaccines because their white, elitist parents opt them out using religious, personal belief, and doctor-authored exemptions. Get it? The elite know there’s something inherently wrong with immunizations, but they just don’t talk about it, and the MSM news certainly never covers it.

The richest Americans don’t want to risk their children getting autism from experimental vaccines, including Polio, Malaria, MMR, and the CDC’s “highly recommended” annual flu shot
According to Bill Gates’ former doctor, who was quoted behind closed doors at a medical seminar, Gates said his children didn’t need vaccines, but isn’t the whole world educated otherwise? Doesn’t the CDC inform us all that babies are born with weak, compromised immune systems and must have 50 vaccines before age 7, or they’ll most likely die from infectious diseases? Isn’t that the narrative?

Here’s more on Bill Gates’ opinion on vaccines, as shared by his own physician from the seminar: “They were beautiful kids, truly wise and lively, and he stated they would be fine as they were; they didn’t need any shots.”

Now, Bill Gates and his corrupt Foundation push experimental, untested malaria vaccines on innocent Africans in Kenya, Ghana, and Malawi. Critics are screaming that it’s all part of a depopulation scheme, and some vaccines, including the tetanus jab, have been found to contain chemicals that sterilize young girls – chemicals that have nothing at all to do with vaccine functionality.

Bill Gates’ “mission” to protect third world populations from disease via mass vaccination is contrary to his own personal actions with his own children, and auspiciously crosses lines with his deep financial collaboration with health agencies and vaccine manufacturers.

Tune in to for more updates on how there is a plague of corruption surrounding vaccine safety, and exactly why the world’s elite know better than to have their children jabbed with experimental, untested, deadly neurotoxins and genetically modified bacteria strains.

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Date: May 07, 2019 02:48PM

Keep your boots on!

Bill and Melinda Gates Pledge $10 Billion in Call for Decade of Vaccines
Bill and Melinda Gates made their announcement at the World Economic Forum's ... the basic DTP3 vaccine in the poorest countries of the world jumped from 66 ...


Pants on Fire!
"Bill Gates’ Former Doctor Says Billionaire ‘Refused To Vaccinate His Children’"
— on Monday, May 7th, 2018 in a blog post

Website falsely claims Bill Gates refused to vaccinate his own children
By Miriam Valverde on Wednesday, May 2nd, 2018 at 3:24 p.m.

Bill Gates on CNN May 17, 2015.
A hoax website published an unfounded story claiming that a former doctor for Bill Gates said the philanthropist refused to vaccinate his own children. Gates and his wife, Melinda, have invested billions of dollars to research, develop and deliver vaccines around the world to help reduce child mortality.

"Bill Gates’ former doctor says billionaire ‘refused to vaccinate his children,’" said the headline on a Feb. 7 post on’s story does not identify the purported doctor and says the information was divulged privately at a "medical symposium in Seattle," without naming the symposium or a date.

The story claimed "the comments caused a stir among physicians at the symposium with claims he was breaking doctor-patient confidentiality, according to reports. However as he was speaking to other physicians, he was not breaking the industry code of conduct."

Facebook users flagged the post as being potentially fabricated, as part of the social media network’s efforts to combat online hoaxes. (Check out all’s posts debunked by PunditFact.)’s post includes information from a December 2015 CNN report about unvaccinated children in California. But it offers no evidence to support the claim about Gates’ children and their vaccination records.

In their 2018 annual letter, the Gateses said they’ve "spent $15.3 billion on vaccines over the past 18 years. And it’s been a terrific investment." (The Gates children are 15, 18 and 22 years old.)

Melinda Gates in a Feb. 22 Instagram post wrote:

"When my first child, Jenn, was born, over 800,000 children were dying each year of rotavirus — a preventable, curable disease. It broke my heart to imagine watching your child get sick and knowing that medicine could save her — if only you had access to it. That was a clarifying moment for me. No child should die a preventable death. Bill and I have dedicated our lives to reducing the number who do."

Without evidence, Yournewswire claimed that a former doctor for Bill Gates said the philanthropist refused to vaccinate his own children. We rate the post Pants on Fire!

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Posted by: Tai ()
Date: May 07, 2019 08:41PM


India Holds Bill Gates Accountable For His Vaccine Crimes

As Bill Gates faces a lawsuit for the illegal testing of tribal children in India, it appears that his crimes against humanity have finally caught up with him.

A recent report published by Health Impact News has reported that the Gates Foundation has found itself facing a pending lawsuit, due to an investigation that is being carried out by the Supreme Courts of India.

Health Impact News stated:

“While fraud and corruption are revealed on almost a daily basis now in the vaccine industry, the U.S. mainstream media continues to largely ignore such stories. Outside the U.S., however, the vaccine empires are beginning to crumble, and English versions of the news in mainstream media outlets are available via the Internet.

One such country is India, where the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and their vaccine empire are under fire, including a pending lawsuit currently being investigated by the India Supreme Court.”

The Health Impact News article centered largely on a four-page report that was recently published by Economic Times India.

Eager to know more, I investigated their story and discovered that the World Health Organization, the Gates Foundation and two organizations funded by them, PATH (Program for Appropriate Technology in Health) and GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization), have found themselves under fire, after a writ of petition originally submitted to the Supreme Court of India, by Kalpana Mehta, Nalini Bhanot and Dr. Rukmini Rao in 2012, was finally heard by the courts.

The petitioners submitting the petition stated:

“BMGF, PATH and WHO were criminally negligent trialling the vaccines on a vulnerable, uneducated and under-informed population school administrators, students and their parents who were not provided informed consent or advised of potential adverse effects or required to be monitored post-vaccination.”

Young Tribal Girls Tested With HPV Vaccines
The Economic Times India published their report August 2014. They stated that in 2009, tests had been carried out on 16,000 tribal school children in Andhra Pradesh, India, using the human papiloma virus (HPV) vaccine, Gardasil.

According to the report written by KP Narayana Kumar, within a month of receiving the vaccine, many of the children fell ill and by 2010, five of them had died. A further two children were reported to have died in Vadodara, Gujarat, where an estimated 14,000 tribal children were vaccinated with another brand of the HPV vaccine, Cervarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmitheKline (GSK).

Shockingly, the report stated that many of the consent forms used to vaccinate the girls were signed “illegally,” either by the wardens from the hostels where many of the girls resided, or using thumbprints from illiterate parents.

This travesty was not discovered until a team of health activists from the non-government organization SAMA, an organization specializing in women’s health, decided to investigate what had been going on.

According to the report, they were shocked to discover that a total of 120 girls had been taken ill, suffering from a variety of symptoms, including “epileptic seizures, severe stomach aches, headaches and mood swings.”

The Economic Times stated:

“The Sama report also said there had been cases of early onset of menstruation following the vaccination, heavy bleeding and severe menstrual cramps among many students. The standing committee pulled up the relevant state governments for the shoddy investigation into these deaths.

It said it was disturbed to find that ‘all the seven deaths were summarily dismissed as unrelated to vaccinations without in-depth investigations …’ the speculative causes were suicides, accidental drowning in well (why not suicide?), malaria, viral infections, subarachnoid hemorrhage (without autopsy) etc.”

This information is even more shocking when you discover that the organization funding the study was none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, who declared the project a total success.

Kumar wrote:

“According to the BMGF, the WHO, the International Federation of Gynaecology and Obstetrics, and the Federation of Obstetric and Gynaecological Societies of India have all recommended vaccination ‘as a proven and highly effective preventive measure for cervical cancer.’ The project used vaccines that are licensed in India and that have been administered safely around the world tens of millions of times, preventing countless cases of cervical cancer illness and death, ‘maintains a BMGF spokesperson in an emailed response (see GAVI & PHFI create incentives …’”

He continued:

“BMGF’s role in funding the controversial studies, however, has led to many healthcare activists in India voicing their apprehensions. ‘BMGF has to take full responsibility because PATH is funded by them. It is also unethical when people championing the cause of vaccines are the same ones who are also investing in vaccine development,’ said V Rukmini Rao, one of the activists who filed a writ petition before the Supreme Court in connection with the HPV vaccine studies.” [3]

Absolutely, and this is not the first time that these organizations have been caught illegally testing vaccines in developing countries.

Gates Foundation, WHO, PATH, GAVI, UNICEF Behind Chad Vaccine Disaster
In December 2012, in the small village of Gouro, Chad, Africa, situated on the edge of the Sahara Desert, five hundred children were locked into their school, threatened that if they did not agree to being force-vaccinated with a meningitis A vaccine, they would receive no further education.

These children were vaccinated without their parents’ knowledge. This vaccine was an unlicensed product still going through the third and fourth phases of testing.

Within hours, one hundred and six children began to suffer from headaches, vomiting, severe uncontrollable convulsions and paralysis. The children’s wait for a doctor began. They had to wait one full week for a doctor to arrive while the team of vaccinators proceeded to vaccinate others in the village.

When the doctor finally came, he could do nothing for the children. The team of vaccinators, upon seeing what had happened, fled the village in fear.

The original report written in a small, local newspaper called La Voix, the only newspaper to have published the original story, stated that forty children were finally transferred to a hospital in Faya and later taken by plane to two hospitals in N’Djamena, the capital city of Chad.

After being shuttled around like cattle, many of these sick, weak children were finally dumped back in their village without a diagnosis and each family was given an unconfirmed sum of £1000 by the government. No forms were signed and no documentation was seen. They were informed that their children had not suffered a vaccine injury.

However, if this were true, why would their government award each family £1000 in what has been described as hush money?

The only mainstream news channel to have highlighted the plight of these poor children was a local channel called Tchad, which filmed footage of the then-Prime Minister of Chad visiting the children in hospital.

VacTruth has copies of both reports, along with medical and government documents.

Despite this evidence and VacTruth’s detailed and extensive coverage, including highlighting television footage, once again, the vaccine program was hailed a success. To watch videos reporting the story, see the references at the end of this article. [4] [5]

The groups involved with this project were PATH, WHO, UNICEF, and the Gates Foundation. During investigations, it was discovered that the whole project was being run by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

In a press release, the Gates Foundation stated:

“MenAfriVac is a tremendous success story for the global health community. It is the first vaccine developed specifically for Africa, and it proves that global partnerships can develop and deliver high-quality, low-cost vaccines.

Ten years ago, we invested in the Meningitis Vaccine Project, an innovative model that brought together PATH, the World Health Organization, African health ministers and the Serum Institute of India today, we celebrate the result: a modern vaccine selling for less than US 50 cents per dose with the potential to end Africa’s deadly meningitis epidemics.

We believe that vaccines are one of the best buys in global health. In January, Bill and Melinda Gates called on the global community to make this the Decade of Vaccines. There is no better way to launch this decade than with a new vaccine that will improve and save lives.” [6]

VacTruth can prove otherwise.

Government Inquiry Holds GAVI Accountable for Multiple Deaths
Despite the fact the Gates Foundation call vaccines “one of the best buys in global health,” a government inquiry in Pakistan has found the complete opposite.

In 2011, the Express Tribune published a story stating that:

“ISLAMABAD: A government inquiry has found that polio vaccines for infants funded by the Global Alliance for Vaccination and Immunisation are causing deaths and disabilities in regional countries including Pakistan.

The startling revelation is part of an inquiry report prepared by the Prime Minister’s Inspection Commission (PMIC) on the working of the Expanded Programme on Immunisation (EPI). The PMIC, headed by Malik Amjad Noon, has recommended that Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani immediately suspend the administration of all types of vaccines funded by the GAVI.”

According to the Express Tribune, the main vaccinations in question were the polio vaccine and the 5-in-1 pentavelent vaccine, which were said to be responsible for the deaths and disability of a number of children in Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Japan.

The vaccines were funded by the Global Alliance for Vaccination and Immunization (GAVI) an organization financed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Children’s Vaccine Program, the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association, the Rockefeller Foundation, the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), the World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Bank.

Writing on the official report, made exclusive to the newspaper, the Express Tribune stated:

“The report states, ‘The procured vaccines are not tested in laboratories to confirm their efficacy and genuineness. This leaves room for use of spurious and counterfeit vaccines.’” [7] (emphasis added)

If this is true, then once again the Gates Foundation has been linked to mass vaccination initiatives using untested, unsafe vaccinations.

The Gates Foundation and WHO Labeled Unethical by Medical Experts
In 2012, Ramesh Shankar Mumbai, an author writing for the Pharmabiz website, reported that two medical experts from India had accused the Gates Foundation and WHO of being unethical.

In his report, Mumbai stated that Dr. Neetu Vashisht and Dr. Jacob Puliyel of the Department of Pediatrics at St. Stephens Hospital in Delhi, wrote the following information in their report in the April issue of Indian Journal of Medical Ethics.

“It was unethical for WHO and Bill Gates to flog this program when they knew 10 years back that it was never to succeed. Getting poor countries to expend their scarce resources on an impossible dream over the last 10 years was unethical.” reported that Dr. Vashisht and Dr. Puliyel had continued their report by stating:

“Another major ethical issue raised by the campaign is the failure to thoroughly investigate the increase in the incidence of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) in areas where many doses of vaccine were used. NPAFP is clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly.” continued:

“The authors noted that while India was polio-free in 2011, in the same year, there were 47500 cases of NPAFP. While data from India’s National Polio Surveillance Project showed NPAFP rate increased in proportion to the number of polio vaccine doses received, independent studies showed that children identified with NPAFP ‘were at more than twice the risk of dying than those with wild polio infection.’” [8]

The corruption and deceit by these organizations does not stop there.

The Gates Foundation Blamed for 10,000 Vaccine-Related Deaths
In 2013, yet another report named the Gates Foundation and GAVI as being responsible for multiple deaths using untested vaccinations on children from the developing world.

The report, published on the website Occupy Corporatism and written by Susanne Posel stated:

“It was found out through an investigation, that GAVI was using an untested vaccine; giving this dangerous vaccine to Pakistani children shows the lack of empathy associated with these organizations.

GAVI was blamed for the deaths of 10,000 children in Pakistan when they came in and administered polio vaccines that resulted in casualties.” [9]

As we know, GAVI is heavily funded by the Gates Foundation. [10]

So, what was the name of the organization that investigated GAVI and found them using untested polio vaccinations in Pakistan?

According to the Express Tribune article, which I referred to earlier in this article, it was none other than the Indian government, who, upon discovering the shocking truth, recommended the immediate suspension of the administration of all types of vaccines funded by GAVI. [7]

In a recent radio show hosted by Sallie O. Elkordy, Susanne Posel gave her frank and honest views on the whole sorry mess that we find ourselves in today.

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Date: May 07, 2019 08:53PM



Pants on Fire!
"Bill Gates’ Former Doctor Says Billionaire ‘Refused To Vaccinate His Children’"

Website falsely claims Bill Gates refused to vaccinate his own children
By Miriam Valverde on Wednesday, May 2nd, 2018 at 3:24 p.m.

Bill Gates on CNN May 17, 2015.
A hoax website published an unfounded story claiming that a former doctor for Bill Gates said the philanthropist refused to vaccinate his own children. Gates and his wife, Melinda, have invested billions of dollars to research, develop and deliver vaccines around the world to help reduce child mortality.

"Bill Gates’ former doctor says billionaire ‘refused to vaccinate his children,’" said the headline on a Feb. 7 post on

Typical Lib Snopes and Lib "Pundifact" -

They say there's no Proof that Gates Didn't Vaccinate His Children.

Of course, the website ( can't prove Gates DIDN'T Vaccinate His Children - because -

You can't prove a negative. (Just like it's impossible for Trump to prove he didn't Collude with Russia - you can't prove a negative)

One can only Prove that Gates Did Vaccinate his children by producing records of the children's vaccinations, and Pundifact did not do that.

The burden of proof is on Pundifact to prove that Gates DID Vaccinate his children, and they failed to do so. (Just like the burden of proof was on Mueller to prove Trump/Russia Collusion and he failed to do so.)

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Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: May 07, 2019 09:35PM

Tai, you can expect riverhousebill to investigate the websites you quoted and declare them as not proper sources. That's one of the things he does when he can't just plain debate the issue or doesn't like The Facts. That and ad hominem attacks.

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