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How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: sabdulsamee ()
Date: May 11, 2006 04:37PM

How much is infinity divided by zero?

sabdulsamee

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: inspirit ()
Date: May 11, 2006 06:18PM

#DIV/0!

inspirit - aka coolkarma

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Oneris ()
Date: May 11, 2006 06:30PM

It's unknown, as with any number divided by zero.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: dream earth ()
Date: May 11, 2006 08:41PM

how much is eight divided by four?

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 12, 2006 12:49AM

This question is not based on "faithfulness" (consistent logic), as neither concept is a quantity. Zero is a lack of quantity... how can you divide something into groups of nothing? Nothing has no dimension...

Infinity is also not a quantity, but rather a concept that indicates the potential for something (let's say, the set of "real numbers) to go on without limit. Please note that you can not actually have an infinite number of anything... the whole point to the concept infinity is that it has no limit and can potentially continue to increase.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: inspirit ()
Date: May 12, 2006 01:14PM

So it's kind of like saying "how much is an enigma devided by a vacuum".

inspirit - aka coolkarma

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: teloking57 ()
Date: May 12, 2006 01:46PM

zero

Wheatgrass, it does a body good!!!

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 12, 2006 03:39PM

I'd say it's kind of like saying "abjawoejgiohjweroihbjeoijb"

[TELOKING AND INSPIRIT AND OTHER PERSON WHO STARTED THIS POST DELETED]

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: deeds ()
Date: May 12, 2006 04:29PM

ha ha ha

hey

hello

fascinating answers

that question damned nearly enlightened me
i spent hours tracing the zero into eternity

it was only because my brother called me on the telephone
that i lapsed out of my sabdulsamee-induced trance as spontaneously as i'd entered into it

phew that was a close call

please warn people in the future when you post riddles of such spiritual power
some of us are not ready and have no help at hand

trembling in awe,
deeds

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: May 12, 2006 04:34PM

What is the sound of one hand clapping?


SLAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Oneris ()
Date: May 12, 2006 04:46PM

The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of one hand clapping.

Thank you. Thank you. (and yes, that is the real answer)

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: deeds ()
Date: May 12, 2006 06:16PM

ha ha ha naaaaaaaaaaaaarzzzzzzz!!!!

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 13, 2006 07:24PM

thank you Narz, I believe a good slapping is in order.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 13, 2006 07:24PM

And not because I approve of corporal punishment.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: la_veronique ()
Date: May 13, 2006 10:17PM

what is the instantaneous velocity
of a
heart
b
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e
a
k
i
n
g


narz's quote

"fortune favors the bold"

yeahh... i like that quote

fortune favors the bold
boldness is bold and boldness is quiet
and boldness is deep

and boldness is invisible

nature is very bold
and so is a snowflake
and a feather
because a feather allows a creature to take flight

intriguing thought
boldness izzz

truly so

i tink so i must be
tink tink tinker with that thought some more

tink tink tink
blink blink blink

blonk blonk blonk
tonk tonk tonk

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: deeds ()
Date: May 14, 2006 03:34AM

blink blonk

honky tonk

tink tank

i'm totally frank

don't break my heart baby

la-la la-la LAAAAH

so unchain my heart

baby let me go

baby let me go-hooo-hoh-OH

yeah la-la-laah

deedaly doo-dah

la-la la-la la-laah

o-oh yeeaaaahhhhhh

that's better

i love singing in the morning

it wakes me up much bettah

than pondering cosmic conundrums

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 14, 2006 01:42PM

There is nothing cosmic about it. It is insanity. GG

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: deeds ()
Date: May 14, 2006 07:10PM

you shore do likes usin the old insanity vote doncha, tommy?

it's good we have a sane guy aboard to point out anyone, who goes off the sanity mark, to susceptible souls

just wish you could have done it before i nearly drifted off to the point of no return trying to make that divisionsmiling smiley


apart from that, i always wondered:

what does GG mean?

i've seen it used a lot, but was always a bit shy to ask

is it like a secret sign-off code for 'grateful geek' or something?

hee hee

jus kidding

i know it's a stupid question to any veteran web-chat conneseur, but i would be thankful if someone were to provide me with an answer and let me "in the know"

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 14, 2006 11:22PM

It means "Good Game", but since it is a geek thing, you weren't far off the mark.

I will try to be more careful with how I use my words, so as to cause the least amount of confusion possible. But what I really meant was that the initial question asked in this thread is kind of like saying one equals two. Based on how people use those words ("one" and "two"winking smiley, it is kind of an absurd statement to make.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: deeds ()
Date: May 15, 2006 02:14AM

thanks tommy

you've made me one grateful geek

gg

wp


if we consider the infinity of possibilities for a moment

wouldn't it then be possible that somewhere

just any relative somewhere

one really does equal two?

and three

and four

and 5?

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: la_veronique ()
Date: May 16, 2006 04:06PM

i thought a lot of people believed that 2 equals one
and one is just a half

that is why some people get married

and then there are those that feel that 3 equals one

and that sometimes one can be tantamount to a horde

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: May 17, 2006 03:05AM

Sometimes 1 + 1 = 3 if you're not careful!

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 17, 2006 04:49PM

argh you people are driving me fruity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deeds: Infinity is not a quantity (number), you can't have an infinite amount of anything.... something can POTENTIALLY go on without limit, in which case it is "potentially infinite", but that isn't the same thing as actually "having" an infinite amount of something (which doesn't actually make sense).

1 does not equal 2, if you use these symbols the same way I do... 1 is the smallest quantity of a whole "thing", and 2 is 1 of those quantities plus another one... So anywhere where 1 equals 2 is a place where they are not using these symbols in the same way I am (and why wouldn't you simply use the same symbol consistently instead of using two different symbols to represent the same thing?)

La V and Narz, haha, I've got my eyes on you two [potential] troublemakers....

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: deeds ()
Date: May 17, 2006 06:49PM

hey funny tommy

are you sincere, or are you kidding?
i never could tell with you, you're such an enigma

i'm not quite sure what you're responding to
i never said anything about having an infinite amount of anything
just pointed out the infinity of possibilities

just like the universe is infinite
so are possibilities
you cannot count them to a finish
see?

(although i guess there would be a possibility of doing this somewhere within the realm of possibilities)

it goes on and on and on
and if you're not careful
it can turn you into a fruitcake
both metaphorically and literally

ESPECIALLY with the shape-shifting tendencies of numbers

which make counting waaaaay too tricky

but i guess one could try
when having troubles with sleeping or something
it'd be a nice alternative to counting sheep

although sheep are cuter

here's a little more fruit for the making:

what is a whole "thing"?
the way i understand it a whole "thing" is made up of squillions of other littler "things"
where do we draw the line between one and a squillion?

nope
i will never learn

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Jose ()
Date: May 17, 2006 07:57PM

Sometimes you just can't prove 1 + 1 = 2 .....

even though it might be true....

See the First Incompleteness theorem...

[en.wikipedia.org]

Something to ponder...

Cheers,
J


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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 18, 2006 03:23AM

The universe can not be actually infinite in size, as infinite is not a quantity. Maybe the universe is potentially infinite (as are the possibilities within said universe), which is an important distinction.


Jose:
Thanks for the link to this incompleteness theorem... I am finding it somewhat difficult to read, as I am unfamiliar with most of the wording used in this encyclopedia... I also feel they could use some examples.

Regardless, I wasn't setting out to prove that 1 + 1 = 2, but my point was that, unless you were raised in a radically different environment than mine, you probably use the symbols "1" and "2" the same way that I do.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Jose ()
Date: May 18, 2006 07:47AM

Infinity is also a very mysterious thing...

some infinite objects are smaller or bigger than others....

this is measured by their cardinality...

[en.wikipedia.org]

I must admit it is very counterintuitive at the start...

Cheers,
J


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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: teloking57 ()
Date: May 18, 2006 08:57AM

damn kids!!!

why must you make everything so difficult??????????????????



hhahahhahahhahahaahhah

Wheatgrass, it does a body good!!!

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: May 18, 2006 11:10PM

There can not be larger and smaller infinite objects, as nothing is actually infinite. Nothing is infinite in size. Nothing. Which is why, frankly, I don't think any of the stuff you linked makes any sense.

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Re: How much is infinity divided by zero?
Posted by: Jose ()
Date: May 19, 2006 09:27AM

Ok, so, for example, how many elements does the set of natural numbers contain?

If you are ready to accept that it contains a countably infinite number of elements, since there are an infinite number of natural numbers, then we may call the size of this object aleph-null, the first cardinal number.

The next step is to compare to size of two sets. In general, two sets are said to have the same measure if there is a one to one correspondence between the number of elements they contain. The wikipedia and other articles will have more info on this.

Once we can compare sizes in this way, one can prove that certain sets are much bigger than the set of natural numbers, since their elements cannot be mapped in a one to one correpsondence.

This happens, for example, in the case of the set of all real numbers. There are an uncountable infinite number of real numbers between any two natural numbers. This is in essence why the cardinality of the set of reals is greater than the cardinality of the set of natural numbers.

This can be shown, for example, by using the Cantor diagonal argument, which is a clever but simple way of proving this [en.wikipedia.org].

Cheers,
J


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