Informative link

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At least things are looking up... thanks for the information CB. BTW I dont know about where you guys are, but where I live, but the price of fast food has doubled in the last year.

I also think that current fast food should be treated like alcohol and cigarettes. Be forced to have high taxes placed on them because of the health costs incurred by eating them. Aswell as warning labels... like on packages of cigarrettes out here. Like warning this product causes heart disease... then show a picture of a sickened heart.

Context Wrote:
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> At least things are looking up... thanks for the
> information CB. BTW I dont know about where you
> guys are, but where I live, but the price of fast
> food has doubled in the last year.
>
> I also think that current fast food should be
> treated like alcohol and cigarettes. Be forced to
> have high taxes placed on them because of the
> health costs incurred by eating them. Aswell as
> warning labels... like on packages of cigarrettes
> out here. Like warning this product causes heart
> disease... then show a picture of a sickened
> heart.

lol. You'd be popular in office!

I see where you are coming from but that's not really a good comparison. People have to eat - they don't have to smoke. People with very limited funds are basically forced to eat poorly, and making their food more expensive is not going to help.

the companies that make and sell that garbage should be the ones getting taxed. then again, that would translate into higher food prices but maybe that isn't such a terrible thing in this case.

Itzdavey Wrote:
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> lol. You'd be popular in office!
>
> I see where you are coming from but that's not
> really a good comparison. People have to eat -
> they don't have to smoke. People with very
> limited funds are basically forced to eat poorly,
> and making their food more expensive is not going
> to help.


They're only "forced to eat poorly" because the deck is stacked against them. Meat & grains are unnaturally cheap while fruit & vegetables are about where they should be. Without government subsides eating healthy would be very cost effective.

And weird how this "non-food-related" post ends up in Off-Topic (even though it's obviously food related) whereas the Quotes thread stays there. I suspect the moderator of this forum has slipped on one too many banana peels.

Instead of taxing, I think a better solution would be to remove farm subsidies so that fast food wouldn't turn out to be so "cheap" after all, letting the free market determine the prices of different foods. This way people are less taxed, can spend their extra money as they see fit, junk food is not as cheap, and the market isn't distorted in favour of these processed foods.

Cheers,
J

communitybuilder,

And you said you were going to place nice if you were allowed to come back

Well, I went grocery shopping today and nearly passed out.

My diet is going to have to change. I just can't keep doing what I am accustomed to doing. The prices are way out of my league now.

I will probably be using more banana, sweet potato, and bean. I can still afford seeds but not nuts. Less of the better stuff, more of the cheapie stuff will be on my menu.

Very very unhappy about this.

i've been having seeds instead of nuts a lot lately too, are they really the inferior choice? the banana i won't eat, i don't like them and i don't care how inexpensive they are, yuck. i live near many greenhouses and fruit farms right now so thankfully fresh and local, though not neccessarily organic, is very accessible to me. i'm going to do lots of sprouting at our new house, there is room and another grown up who will water and eat them with me, yay!


i don't really understand why some threads get shifted over here while others don't. what about the photo threads? the body care threads? the threads about falling off the wagon even... there doesn't seem to be so much rhyme or reason to that.

Bryan Wrote:
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> communitybuilder,
>
> And you said you were going to place nice if you
> were allowed to come back

Just some constructive criticism baby. Now quit complaining, you know your life is empty and meaningless without me.

The recent increases in the cost of foods is caused the energy costs to transport them all. Certainly the subsidies make the meat and grains cheaper, but even those are getting more expensive. Also, expect to see the costs of grains rise as the ethanol industry starts to take off.

Sad to say, the dollar is going to keep falling over time(the short term is less predictable), so groceries in general are going to keep increasing over the next few years.

is that true? that means our canadian dollar will keep going up then. i guess you can all come over here and do your shopping with me

[[ i've been having seeds instead of nuts a lot lately too, are they really the inferior choice?]]

Nutritionally, I think no, you can get your omega3 from flax and your omega5 and vitamin E from sunflower and pumpkin seeds.

But nuts are so much tastier. I have gotten used to walnuts in my salad, they add oomph. There is a word for it, umami, which is a proposed 5th taste along with sweet, sour, salty, and bitter.

umami-interesting. What is it? Oomph? LOL. Walnuts taste bitter to me. It is strange that I used to like them more before going raw than I do now.

On a brighter note we have mangos 5 for a $1 here, not organic though. They are so delish too. We certainly couldn't have eaten fast food for any where near that price.

umami=parmisan, tomato paste, msg derived from kelp, etc. it is the overall sensation of delicious. you know how (when you used to eat pasta, if you did) the parm added just that extra bit of something that made the dish come together in tasty harmony? that is umami. those items i mentioned above are some examples of things that when added to a dish impart umami (it's why msg is used, it adds "tastiness" in a way that plain old salt just doesn't). it's a beautiful concept.
i feel that way about avo in a salad, it makes it taste just so cohesively beautiful to my mouth. glad to hear about walnut it that role, i agree now that i think of it.

Thanks coco.

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Yes, now more than ever, we must be mindful of this. That real food is not promoted for the general welfare of our citizens is immoral on the most basic Old Testament level. Immoral.

That sounds like just great news! Thank you communitybuilder for posting such an informative article. I remember McDonald's fondly growing up. Wasn't one of their mottos trying to feed a family under five dollars? That's something to think about. Thanks for article.

sald takes alot of handling refridge and upkeep
dead food takes none

Living people take a lot of upkeep too, dead people not so much :/.

Bwahahah.

we all just need to start shopping smarter i think. I am trying to seek out a few individuals locally (vegans , vegetarians or rawfoodies) that buy produce on a regular basis and start ordering cases of stuff. I cant see any way around the rising costs of foods other then bulk ordering organic and growing my own.

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

A blessing from the most high.