I think there's another thread about him, but couldn't find it.

From what I read, TC Fry seems to have talked the talk, but did he walk the walk?

He pushed himself (my weakness) to work, but does anyone know if that's what killed him?

His biography is certainly full of controversy and it's hard to know what to think about him. On the one hand he seems to have had a firm understanding of natural health and hygiene; on the other it seems he may have been a fraud, as it was suggested he was in financial undertakings. Or maybe he was both or neither! Maybe a charismatic person who spewed rhetoric gleaned from more sincere Hygienists....

In any case, he was ill for a long time and died around age 70.

I have never read anything of his, only Shelton and Esser, that I can think of.

Does anyone know more about him and especially, what was wrong with him and why he died of illness?

try this

[www.chetday.com]

[www.rawfoodexplained.com] has tons of TC Fry's writings if you're interested in them...

Sarah
[goingbananasblog.com]

aqua good question .. i think every guru out there probably has some skeletons in their closet or in t.c.'s case perhaps twinkies lol .. there was a really great memorial written about him called the *life and times of t.c. fry*, its on the internet just search it .. there were people on there with both positive and negative things to say about him ..one thing that was said for certain .. he made a lasting impression ..good bad and both

alot (not all) of what is at rawfoodexplained is based on his and some other writeres thoughts/ideas and i beleive the course on his theories he had was adopted by the swedish or french or something government (id have to go back and look it up) ... and some NH's say his behaviour brought shame to what they are trying to do .. and some say he was the most amazing thing that ever hit the earth lol !

i think if anyone adheres to anyone one dogma to a point of being almost .. obsessive about it (taking it for being the literal LAST word on good health), without exploring other thoughts and avenues of thinking isnt really thinking for themselves in my opinion ...


all these gurus .. actually everyone really ... probably has some skeletons in their closets lol .. i just take what makes sense and go with it.

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist




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TC Fry did not walk the walk when it came to living a hygienic or healthful life. This is well documented in Errors in Hygiene? by Vivian Vetrano. He overworked, was stressed, had relationship difficulties, was shot, and was constantly worried about his financial condition. At some point he quit being a fruitarian and went back to cooked foods because his wife said "its me or the raw foods". So he chose his wife. After going backed to cooked, his health declined (plus all that other stuff that was going on), and as he got sick, he moved to various alternative health treatments that had nothing to do with the raw foods lifestyle or Natural Hygiene, and these therapies ultimately killed him.

That being said, he was a huge promoter and educator of Natural Hygiene and raw foods.

I think this quote by Bassho is quite appropriate here: "Seek not to follow in the masters' footsteps. Seek what the masters sought."

very nice bryan thank you for the quote and that info

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

Why is it than whenever someone isn't able to succeed on a fruit only diet and reverts to a different diet, the fruit diet is never blamed - just excuses that they started eating such and such. Maybe the reason is that the fruit only diet didn't nourish them. The fact that a handful of people are able to flourish on a fruit only diet is no proof that everyone can succeed long term on a fruit diet. The fact that George Burns lived to 100 on his eating pattern, or that Bob Hope lived to 99 isn't proof that the way they were eating is the perfect diet. How about a little reality? Ross Horne promoted the Fruit only diet but eventually fell off the wagon. Why? maybe because it didn't nourish him long term.

you see this is what i have formulated in my mind over 20 years of experimenting with various healthy diets. i think that many things are great short term. i mean extreme things. like fruitarianism. in my opinion.

i also think that you need to listen to your body. many gurus will tell you what to do, and when you dont get the results...then...well, you know what i am saying. peoples bodies are all diffferent.

i tell you, i am sure it is a case of horses for courses.
this site is ace. nice people. nice approach. no health fascism in sight whatsoever!
i am staying put : )

. _ _ I think its less about nourishment and more about the nature of internal deposits. So yeah it could depend on the individual's health/background/genetics...and certainly their mindset, and JOY, and process for sure.

. _ _ many people see the program, and forget or ignore the process. Others will argue to their death about theories..and never implement them fully into their life...because they are too addicted to living a certain way or thinking in various negative patterns (or perhaps just too busy proselytizing. Perhaps George Burns knew that. I assume he didn't live 100% of his later years in great disease-free-health, but yeah no doubt he knew something about life and its joys.

. _ _ what I notice about people who are succeeding on 'limited' diets, are those who not only implement the right tools and practices and lifestyle changes. they have also brought great attention to their healing of their bodies and minds and the clearing of internal wastes over time. They don't make as many claims about doing what is 'natural' only doing what is 'right' for them (you) etc...

. _ _ _ _ - just my observations

Yes, it has to be paramount to do what's right for YOU. If Fry's wife had to declare an ultimatum to him - eat cooked food, or she was outta there - then it doesn't seem he was referencing his own senses well enough to keep himself healthy. She obviously saw in him what he didn't want to see in himself.

I still see a very simple fruit-based diet as the ideal, but it certainly doesn't mean it's the right diet for all of us, at the present time. Most of us are so far away from real health, that it's a long quest to find it.

For me, turning to what is natural is like groping my way back to a sweet place that I left during a long, drunken binge - it's hard to recognize the signposts that I saw on the way out, because I don't know what they look like from the back side .

aquadecoco Wrote:
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>
> For me, turning to what is natural is like groping
> my way back to a sweet place that I left during a
> long, drunken binge - it's hard to recognize the
> signposts that I saw on the way out, because I
> don't know what they look like from the back side
> .

hehe that is a very cool thought

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

Very profound, aqua! I am wondering if anyone has read "Your Natural Diet" by Fry and Klein? I was thinking about ordering it. Or if there are other suggestions.... I have most of the recipe books out there, and I'm interested to read more about theory, for lack of better words. Who are the "experts" on fruit based eating? I'm not convinced 100% fruit will work for me - at least not yet - but I am interested in reading more about it. I was considering Sunfood Success System as well. What do you think?

Thanks!



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Personally I think it's just guess work as to what happened, yeah he must of messed up but why....who knows, if you want, you can blame the fruits, but who really knows?

As far as the Dave Klien book, it's worth getting and is a good starter....

And if your your leaning more towards David Wolfe, check this out....



The Fruitarian Diet
by David Wolfe, Nature's First Law Written: 1/4/98

Fruit is the most beautiful food on the planet. The variety of fruits on Earth is so massive it boggles the mind. Often people ask me if I feel limited eating a raw-food/fruitarian diet. I always respond by telling them 99.9% of all food on Earth is raw plant food!

Fruit is our most natural food. It is the food we are attracted to most in its raw natural state. We define a fruit as a food which contains the seed(s) within it for regeneration and propagation of the plant.

A raw-food/fruitarian diet makes you beautiful and pure inside and out. It leads to the clearest use of your mind -- it greatly enhances your mental abilities.

In my book: "Nature's First Law: The Raw-Food Diet" I wrote: "Every fruit has its secret." Once you are completely cleaned out of cooked-food residue and toxicity, you become attuned to special powers available in certain fruits! The durian fruit has an extreme smoothness and cleanness to it in the way it is metabolized in your body. It makes everything run smoothly and clearly and warms up the body in colder weather. Dates too, may warm you up in cold weather. Dates are a great food for endurance and long walks. Apples are a "clean-out food," they clear everything out as they go through. Mangos transport you into the ecstatic state of summer fun. Bananas make you feel like a wild primate!

How To Eat Fruit And How Much?

Ideally, it is best to eat just one type of fruit at a time (mono-diet) and to wait 45 minutes until the next type of food goes in. You might want to eat 5-10 bananas in the morning and nothing else or choose to eat cucumbers only for lunch!

My organization Nature's First Law distributes a laminated "Pearamid" chart which describes graphically and inspirationally the structure of a long-term fruitarian diet. The chart was created by Dave Klein the editor of Living Nutrition Magazine who has been an all-raw fruitarian for over 5 years. To order a "Pearamid" chart call us at: 1-800-205-2350.

When you are eating a mono-diet, your body will give you a clear signal when to stop eating. Your appetite will turn off or you will suddenly feel you have eaten too much. Typically the fruit will actually change taste on you and won't taste as good! At that point listen to your body and stop eating! If you combine foods, the signal as to when to stop eating is not as clear, and you must discipline yourself.

If you overeat raw food or fruit or even cooked food remember the reasons why most people overeat: suppressed emotional issues and a lack of deep breathing. If you overeat, go outside and take 10-15 deep breaths! Or breathe deeply at night instead of eating -- if you have problems in that area.

Hybrid Fruit

Unfortunately the quality of fruit available in most commercial supermarkets is less than excellent. The fruit is biologically weak: it has not picked up the minerals from the soil properly, its sugar are too high, if left to Nature the insects, worms, and bacteria would wipe it out quickly. Many fruits today have been hybridized: they have been genetically or biologically tampered with. For example, most orange trees are actually two orange trees in one. The roots are of one type and the stem and leaves are of another type. They are grafted together. This leads to a fruit which is has an improper balance -- it is confused. The fruit may be seedless or the seeds may not be viable.

What to do? Seek out high-quality organic fruit grown from non-hybridized plant strains or better yet grow your own fruit trees from seed or even seek out wild fruits. The best way to determine if a fruit is too hybridized is to examine its seeds. If the fruit is seedless, do not eat it or at least be very frugal when eating it. Seedless fruit actually should not be eaten -- you will become more and more sensitive to this as you become internally cleaner and cleaner. If the fruit has seeds, try planting them. If they grow, the fruit, even if hybridized, still has enough natural vitality to be excellent nourishment.

Farmers and biologists have noted that after several generations of hybridization a most interesting event occurs. The hybrid strain will either die out -- it will have lost its vitality -- or it will revert back into a more primal form -- a seedless strain can suddenly start producing viable seeds! I had the most incredible experience the other day. I was juicing a pineapple for a friend and I discovered the pineapple contained seeds! This is the first time I had ever seen this. Pineapples are hybrid fruits many of us have eaten, at least occasionally, our whole life. How many times have you discovered seeds in the pineapple? After many generations of hybridization we see the pineapple reverting back and now seeding!

One final note: hybrid sweet fruit is still better for you than cooked food!

Is Fruit Too Sweet?

Most fruits on Earth are not sweet fruits! It is important to include in your fruitarian diet a host of non-sweet fruits such as avocados, peppers, cucumbers, tomatoes, cranberries, lemons, limes, squash, corn, zucchini, okra, etc. These foods provide heavier minerals and are soft on the body. Ideally, they should constitute at least 50% of your diet.

Tooth Trip

Are fruits bad for your teeth? The internal condition of the body is the best indicator as to the health of the teeth. If teeth are bad, there is an internal disruption in the body, and we need to bring in more calcium in the form of green-leafy salads and green juices, as Dr. Shelton has pointed out in his great book: "The Science And Fine Art Of Nutrition."

There is a great misconception that fruits are bad on the teeth. Why the myth of poor teeth on a fruitarian diet? The clue I picked up from Johnny Lovewisdom's book: "Spiritualizing Dietetics: Vitarianism." He attacks nuts and seeds viciously as being the cause of teeth problems in fruitarians, not fruit. I've noticed that myself. Nuts leave an acid ash and are high in phosphorous which must be balanced with calcium (found abundantly and usable in greens). If you eat lots of nuts and seeds, you should also eat plenty of greens. If they are not balanced the phosphorous will eventually acidify the body and leech calcium from the bones, especially the jaw and teeth -- the body is signaling the mouth to stop taking in food, especially the nuts and seeds. Another important point appropriate here is that raw animal foods too leave an acid ash and are high in phosphorous, just like nuts and seeds. If they are not balanced off with greens (calcium) they'll decalcify the teeth over the long term.

For those interested, my organization distributes Johnny Lovewisdom's book: "Spiritualizing Dietetics: Vitarianism" and we will soon be carrying 6-7 of his other incredible books including his latest "Vitalogical Hygiene" the culmination of Dr. Lovewisdom's 60+ years on a raw-food/fruitarian diet.

Exercise Fruit makes you active so that the tree's or plant's purpose is furthered: you eat fruit, get active, and run around spreading the seeds far and wide.

The more sedentary (stationary) you are throughout the day, the more vegetables and non-sweet fruits you should eat; the more active you are, the more sweet fruits you should eat.

Get out and have fun in the sun, that is the underlying message of the fruitarian diet. Enjoy life to the max! Achieve your maximum potential by becoming a finely tuned instrument!

My Personal Diet

I am probably the most networked raw-foodist/fruitarian in the world today. I speak with raw-foodists and fruitarians from all over the world nearly every day. I have noticed a fascinating pattern in the dietary of the raw-foodists I have read about or met. Generally, all raw-foodists/fruitarians eat out of three classes of foods: fruits, green-leafed vegetables, and fatty foods (avocados, nuts, coconuts, seeds, bananas, durians, dried olives, etc.). If one goes without one of these classes of foods for a long period of time, problems may arise -- the body will signal you to eat from what is missing through instinctive desire. I have concluded these three classes of foods are the real essentials of the human diet. I too, eat out of these three classes of foods.

The percentages of foods in my diet is governed totally by instinct. Some days I eat all fruit, some days I munch on mouthfuls of wild greens. I generally eat about 80 to 90% fruit of all different varieties. I very rarely eat nuts or seeds of any kind and find they can be constipating. I have gone 3 months on a diet of 100% fruit. Generally, fruit and raw plant food has too much nutrition, so I fast one day a week, sometimes more.

I try to eat as much wild food as I can. Wild food contains by far the highest energy and nutritional content.