There are sometimes DOZENS-HUNDREDS of articles, journals, etc. online if you do a 5min search...

"Food is only as good as the earth it comes from..."

I've got THOUSANDS of articles and links saved on my computer, it could take me 30mins to find anything, LOL...

HERE ARE A FEW:

Is Agribusiness Making Food Less Nutritious?
[www.oasisadvancedwellness.com]

Is Modern Food Still Your Best Medicine? (I don't agree with the conclusions)
[www.yourhealthbase.com]

Vegetables Without Vitamins
[www.soilandhealth.org]

Today's Fruits & Vegetables Lack Yesterday's Nutrition
[www.oasisadvancedwellness.com]

United States Senate Document #264 (Congress meeting in 1936 discussing DEFICIENT FOOD BACK THEN!!!)
[healthenlightenment.com]

Cobalt for Soil and Animal Health (why people are B12 deficient, cobalt is gone from the soils completely... aside, I don't agree with 99% of Weson Price fnd)
[westonaprice.org]

A Guide to Heirloom Varieties and Community-Based Stewardship.
[www.nal.usda.gov]

Evidence-Based Nutrition and the Problem of Proof
[www.supplysideshow.com]

Mineral deficiency in food must be tackled, says expert
[www.foodnavigator.com]

Remineralisation vital for future of food
[www.nutraingredients.com]



Do a few searches to assauge your fears... The SOILS are shot, even organic farms don't have everything...

Informant

PS. Outside of people continuing and more so starting to garden and farm while using rock dust, sea water, Celtic sea salts, etc. to remineralize/revitalize the soils, which is a vital key, along with huge campaigns of planting ever more fruit trees, etc. all people have to do is take 2-3 svgs of a green superfood powder each day (Garden of Life Perfect Food is still about the top notch quality, deiversity, quality, value, about ~$1 per serving cost, etc) to get deficient Vits/Mins/Trace mins... then a Vit B12 and Vit D supp (for those who do NOT get outside regularly for whatever reason or who live far north with low UV levels..)...

Wooway.....Remineralization of the Soil is relatively
inexpensive, but doing so doesn't improve on the 'looks'
of the produce. What is your background in this field?
Have you ever heard of taking Clay internally to add
trace minerals to the human body?......WY

I did a study comparing the WHO nutrient requirements to the nutrient composition of foods, with the following results....


col A = WHO recommended intake
col B = intake via 2000 calories of bananas and romaine
(just a simple example - any mixed diet would be an improvement)
col C = A-B

so a positive number in column C indicates a "deficient intake"

vit E - within reasonable range
zinc - within reasonable range
calcium - requirements likely inflated
selenium - within reasonable range

all the rest are sufficient

nutrient A B C
calcium 1000 337 663
selenium 34 28.5 5.5
magnesium 260 822 -562
zinc 7 5 2
iron 13 13 0
vit c 45 390 -345
thiamin 1 1.5 -0.5
riboflavin 1 2.5 -1.5
niacin 16 20 -4
b6 1 10.5 -9.5
pantothenate 5 11 -6
folate 400 1350 -950
vit a 500 1895 -1395
vit e 10 3 7
vit k 65 654 -589


My own conclusions.

- it is likely that the nutrient levels have declined

But

- nutrient requirements do not appear to be difficult to attain via Foods.

so the insistence upon the necessity of supplementation does not appear to be warranted.

certainly quality foods must be eaten, but much of the organic foods that we eat are likely to be even better in nutrient composition than the conventionally grown foods in the usda database.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2008 12:57AM by fresh.

Nice try, but you incorrectly assume a few things...

a) that the databases are updated and can account for 99% of what Joe Blow American buys any given day of the weak, whether conventional or organic...

b) sure, the main macronutrients will quite possibly be covered but i've never debated you can get the majority of your nutrients through fruits, greens, and veggies... your debating yourself on that one i guess.. i said there are trace minerals that are garaunteed deficient UNLESS one supplements with either a green superfood (the most food based natural way) or some type of trace mineral/multivitamin type supplement (the lesser appealing option with potential issues for some)... Vit B-12 is deficient in fruits/greens/veggies, Vit D isnt necessary to be supplemented with 10-15mins 3-4x per week is sufficient, but those who don't or can't have access or be in the sun, Vit D is needed to be supplemented..... EFA omega-3 (flax) is the last one potentially, but least likely of the above, to be deficient if Omega 6 are minimal in the diet and greens, flax seeds, etc are taken...

c) you assume that the Big Medicine/Big Agri/Big Pharma's calorie theory is valid, which it's not, in context of nutrition and selecting food... is it in any context natural to consume 18-19 hybridized, starch/sucrose laden, constipation endearing, BANANAS in ONE DAY>>??.. this is absurd... your trading one form of "unnaturalness" for overtly accepting the need to take 2-3 simple, inexepensive, non toxic and non residual, unoffensive supplements... gimme and everyone on this board looking for Truth a break...

Also, you accept the WHO requirement ranges to validate your 18-19 banana/1-2lb romaine, 2000kcal diet for certain nutrients, but then invalidate those same ranges for calcium? are the WHO's only accurate in certain cases but not others, etc? see the slippery slopes...

wooway Wrote:

> b) sure, the main macronutrients will quite
> possibly be covered but i've never debated you can
> get the majority of your nutrients through fruits,
> greens, and veggies... your debating yourself on
> that one i guess.. i said there are trace minerals
> that are garaunteed deficient UNLESS one
> supplements with either a green superfood (the
> most food based natural way) or some type of trace
> mineral/multivitamin type supplement (the lesser
> appealing option with potential issues for
> some)...

you could be right, although i still have not seen any evidence of it.

thanks for all the links, i did read them.


Vit B-12 is deficient in
> fruits/greens/veggies, Vit D isnt necessary to be
> supplemented with 10-15mins 3-4x per week is
> sufficient, but those who don't or can't have
> access or be in the sun, Vit D is needed to be
> supplemented..... EFA omega-3 (flax) is the last
> one potentially, but least likely of the above, to
> be deficient if Omega 6 are minimal in the diet
> and greens, flax seeds, etc are taken...
>

yes b12 can be an issue.


> c) you assume that the Big Medicine/Big Agri/Big
> Pharma's calorie theory is valid, which it's not,
> in context of nutrition and selecting food...

you assume that i'm assuming.


is> it in any context natural to consume 18-19
> hybridized, starch/sucrose laden, constipation
> endearing, BANANAS in ONE DAY>>??..

your claim of bananas being constipating is clearly false from my experience.

many cooked fooders make this claim - strange coming from you since you don't seem like a cooked fooder.


this is
> absurd... your trading one form of "unnaturalness"
> for overtly accepting the need to take 2-3 simple,
> inexepensive, non toxic and non residual,
> unoffensive supplements... gimme and everyone on
> this board looking for Truth a break...

are you assuming? ;-)

>
> Also, you accept the WHO requirement ranges to
> validate your 18-19 banana/1-2lb romaine, 2000kcal
> diet for certain nutrients, but then invalidate
> those same ranges for calcium? are the WHO's only
> accurate in certain cases but not others, etc? see
> the slippery slopes...

yes, i love skiing. thanks for the reminder.

it is quite possible that even the WHO numbers are inflated.
but they are more accurate than the rdi's from my research.

it is also possible that some numbers are inflated more than others.
no doubt you've heard of healthy populations on 300 g calcium/day.

i see you've posted on another thread about this, seemingly negating your argument above and agreeing with me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2008 03:27AM by fresh.

This is an important Topic, but we can't do
anything on a Major level.....best to spend the Energy
another way......WY

An anarchist site I was reading the other day made the very real but chilling assessment that yes, our soils ARE shot, and nothing would remineralize them better than 6 billion dead humans. =S

On the bright side... Garden, and compost!! =D

phantom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> An anarchist site I was reading the other day made
> the very real but chilling assessment that yes,
> our soils ARE shot, and nothing would remineralize
> them better than 6 billion dead humans. =S
>
> On the bright side... Garden, and compost!! =D


Haha. Well at least that is an argument for having a natural burial and growing food in graveyards!!

But seriously, and this is directed to fresh, how did you find out what the WHO requirements are? I did a search and I couldn't find out what they were.

Also, more generally to everyone, is there anyway to figure out individual nutrient requirements? I am 115lb female.... I can't imagine my requirements are the same for the average American. I know I probably shouldn't be as concerned with what governments say I should have in my body, since they get most things wrong anyway, but I do find myself eating more than I probably want to just so I don't develop a deficiency.

i can't find the link i used recently but this may help...


[www.who.int]