>I have a case of oranges(40 lbs) and 2 cases of apples coming to me saturday 40 lbs, 20 lbs of Pink Lady apples and 20 lbs of Fuji apples. 80 lbs of fruit for 80 bucks, all organic, thats sweet!<

Hey Roadrunner--
Do you buy your produce online and have it shipped?

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[Re: Is frutarian more healthy than simply raw?]

In practice, with most cases, I doubt it.

The more one restricts, the greater the risk of deficiencies.

We are omnivores, Deal With It. We can be very healthy as vegans if and only if we make prudent choices. The vegan diet is restrictive enough, but some people pile on heaps more restrictions.

And some people claim and seem to thrive on fruit-only diets. I think it depends a lot on what they are actually eating and for how long they have been eating that way. Who knows if they are occasionally cheating or whatever, we can't say. I think it is possible but I would not want to restrict myself to that gastronomical palette.

At this point in my life I don't think anyone could convince me that I am better off without greens, nuts, and seeds.

I still do cooked legumes, sparingly. And a few supplements, too. Worst of all, beer.

i have found that instead of restricting, that i have expanded my food selection since being raw.

if you mean restriction to a food class, i'm not sure how meaningful that is.

foods contain mostly the same nutrients, but in varying amounts

is the koala diet restrictive?
the fruit bat?
the impala?

that we practice omnivory by cooking does not mean we are omnivores - we do not have the adaptations required

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[if you mean restriction to a food class, i'm not sure how meaningful that is. ]

Restricting to only sweet fruit has a lot of meaning. It means that one will probably develop multiple deficiencies.


[foods contain mostly the same nutrients, but in varying amounts ]

But some foods are very low in some necessary nutrients and others very high, and if we consistently get too much of some things and not enough of other things, we run the risk of ruining our health, even though that's the last thing we intended.

[is the koala diet restrictive?
the fruit bat?
the impala? ]

Their diets are a function of their anatomy. As ours are.

[that we practice omnivory by cooking does not mean we are omnivores - we do not have the adaptations required ]

Yes, we are, and yes, we do. We can gain nourishment from sparing use of animal foods. As can rabbits, to a much lesser extent.

But we do best with very little. Or possibly none. Nobody has provided incontrovertible proof that the 100% vegan diet is going to lead to longer life and less disease than the 95% vegan diet. Or even 90%.

If we choose 100%, we can be satisfied that it is the best of all choices purely for environmental and ethical reasons. And we should work within the confines of that parameter to make choices that will sustain us, set good examples, make others curious and interested and feel confident about emulating us, and so forth.

The adaptive requirement does not hold. We *can* eat animals, and a sardine or two a day is probably not going to harm us at all, and will help if there is no other sufficient source of B12 or D. But we don't *have* to eat them, because we can get those calories from other places, and our B12 and D from supplements. And we shouldn't eat them because it's mean, it's destructive, and we don't have to.

We adapted to softer, more nutrient-dense foods, most of us are not eating mountains of produce like the Gorilla. We have delicate jaws that have changed over thousands of generations on soft starchy (cooked) foods with some meats, we generally experience some discomfort when we drastically increase our fiber intake, etc.

Most raw vegans are going heavy on the juices and nuts/seeds/avocado because the calorie payback is high and the chewing effort is minimal. And many of us are accustomed to heavier foods, they are more satisfying. So even when we do raw, we try to make it feel more like cooked: easier to get it down.

Not all of us of course. There are always exceptions.

arugula Wrote:

we talk different dialects i suppose but anyway, just for laughs...

> >
> Restricting to only sweet fruit has a lot of
> meaning. It means that one will probably develop
> multiple deficiencies.

and yet people do it


>
> But some foods are very low in some necessary
> nutrients and others very high, and if we
> consistently get too much of some things and not
> enough of other things, we run the risk of ruining
> our health, even though that's the last thing we
> intended.

and yet that does not appear to be the case from observation of people


>
>
> Their diets are a function of their anatomy. As
> ours are.
>

and the difference between a fruit bat for example, and human is what ?
from a digestive system perspective physiologically and biologically?


>
>
> Yes, we are, and yes, we do. We can gain
> nourishment from sparing use of animal foods. As
> can rabbits, to a much lesser extent.


gain nourishment? we can gain nourishment from tree bark.
and some primates eat it.
do you eat it ? there are some drawbacks
my point would be that any food that we need to eat sparingly is suspect, and the only reason that it is recommended is because fruits and leaves is looked upon as deficient.

>
> But we do best with very little. Or possibly none.
> Nobody has provided incontrovertible proof that
> the 100% vegan diet is going to lead to longer
> life and less disease than the 95% vegan diet. Or
> even 90%.
>
> If we choose 100%, we can be satisfied that it is
> the best of all choices purely for environmental
> and ethical reasons. And we should work within the
> confines of that parameter to make choices that
> will sustain us, set good examples, make others
> curious and interested and feel confident about
> emulating us, and so forth.
>

sure, and what has been your experience with food classes?
my experience is that only fruit and veggies are digested without problems.
nuts, seeds, animal products, etc invariably cause problems of some sort.




> We adapted to softer, more nutrient-dense foods,
> most of us are not eating mountains of produce
> like the Gorilla. We have delicate jaws that have
> changed over thousands of generations on soft
> starchy (cooked) foods with some meats, we
> generally experience some discomfort when we
> drastically increase our fiber intake, etc.
>
> Most raw vegans are going heavy on the juices and
> nuts/seeds/avocado because the calorie payback is
> high and the chewing effort is minimal. And many
> of us are accustomed to heavier foods, they are
> more satisfying. So even when we do raw, we try to
> make it feel more like cooked: easier to get it
> down.

well, yes, most of us are addictive overeaters.
doesn't need to be that way.

it is certainly a challenge to get it right.

Great post WAYNE,

Could you tell us what you usually eat for your evening meal ?
And how long do you work out for ?
When you fast all day do you drink anything ?

I was eating one meal a day a last week at night and it felt great,
But this week i have been working out in the morning so i wanted to have my meal in the morning and finish eating before lunch time, but i find it so difficult to stop eating once i have started, lol.
Im going to try and workout in the late afternoon, and have my meal and juices after that in the early evening.
I think it might be difficult to work out after fasting all day, but we will see.

arugula is correct about smaller teeth and cooked foods

[query.nytimes.com]


but of course it doesn't follow that eating cooked is advantageous/necessary

[sure, and what has been your experience with food classes?
my experience is that only fruit and veggies are digested without problems.
nuts, seeds, animal products, etc invariably cause problems of some sort.]

fruits: can be a problem if I eat too much of them, bloating, nauseated, like there is too much acid in my stomach. I still eat them, though.

greens: can be painful, bloating, if I eat too much of the "stronger" greens. I still eat them, though.

nuts: can be a problem because with some I eat too much, feel stuffed and heavy.

seeds: can have problems with 2 tbsp of ground flax in a meal, but 1 or less is fine.

Everything can be a problem if you eat too much of it in one meal. Conversely, you may tolerate things that you formerly eliminated if you keep your portions sparing and your meal sizes on the small side as well.

ah, well, could be the condition of your body and other things you eat, instead of the fruits or greens being the direct problem...

I find that simple meals are much easier to digest then recipe meals. Meals with one or two ingredients that are compatible digest easily. The simpler the meal the better. Then giving the food a chance to get through the stomach's pyloric valve by waiting on a slight return of hunger signal and digestion is good to go.