You’ll hear it called healing or detoxifying, but raw cinnamon is no health food. Strong enough to kill a wide variety of bacteria and drive away animals and bugs, cinnamon won’t do your body any good.

Read more about this raw food diet mistake here: [www.raw-food-health.net]

Is this another one of these articles where cinnamon is a poisonous toxic medicine, but fruits such as strawberries, apricots that also contain the same chemical courmarin are ok because there not toxic poisonous spice medicines. There fruits so that makes them different and ok?

Anything can be toxic in excess that includes water, oxygen etc. Cinnamon has shown in multiple well designed studies many benefits including blood sugar regulation and so on.

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> Anything can be toxic in excess that includes
> water, oxygen etc. Cinnamon has shown in multiple
> well designed studies many benefits including
> blood sugar regulation and so on.

lol. Enough said.

cinnamon = gooooooooood

gotta say i agree with the majority here, cinnamon is good, to much cinnamon bad, same with just about everything...

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It seems to me that Cinnamon comes from the bark of the
cinnamon tree, which is processed by Man, and powdered
and dried. It's not really a RAW food in the sense that
it's unwholesome to consume. Note that the key to health
is the condition of one's blood, and cinnamon does toxify
human blood.

The difference between a strawberry and cinnamon is that
humans are biologically adapted to eat fruits (which do
not toxify the blood in the RAW state); whereas people
are not adapted to eating cinnamon or other condiments
(which do toxify human blood).

That is, we are not cinnamon-eaters by nature. Nor are
we processed-food eaters by nature, but that doesn't
stop people from engaging in such behaviors under the
pretext that processed foods (and processed food addictions)
are "healthy."

As far as cinnamon's purported "health" benefits, it depends
on what you're comparing something to and what that item is
replacing in terms of that comparison. If, for example,
you're consuming cinnamon instead of cow's milk, then cinnamon
would seem like a wonder food. But compare it to a banana
and it's another story altogether. The key here is what
something does to the blood.

Steve
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[www.rawgosia.com]

if by processed you mean dried and ground into a powder:/... I use the whole bark ,and powder it myself, its fresher that way...

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why do we need to compare the benefits of two foods? I could take the banana and put it against the blueberry and it would look weaker. Foods have a range of different benefits and nutrients there is really no need to compare but to try and get as best variety we can.

Cinnamon and other various herbs have probably been around aslong or near as long as fruits and you can bet they were using various parts of these plants in there diet. Even if they werent that doesnt mean to discard something because we never ate it 1000s of years ago. We have moved on alot since those days.

And like curator has said just because something is dried and ground into powder does not mean its a processed food. Many herbs need to be dried to be consumed.

I would alternatively title this, " . . . nor is cinnamon a harm food." I generally value Andrew's contributions here, and I'm glad he posted this, though I disagree with the arguments. Cinnamon is an anti-inflammatory spice that is taken in small amounts by the typical poster here, and isn't in any way a serious threat to our health. I bet everyone here already knows what I think of "purity" advocates--to each his/her own



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In my mind, the question is what a substance OBJECTIVELY
does to the bloodstream. So it really doesn't matter
what any one person thinks about whether or not cinnamon
is healthful or harmful (as human beings have been known
to be subjective from time to time); all that really
matters (in a context of physical health) is the consequences:
how something affects, or does not affect, to the condition
of the blood. And the extent of your physical health, and
the condition of your blood, will reflect your lifestyle
choices. The healthier one's lifestyle choices, the healthier
the person. Health begets health.

Yes, a RAW blueberry would look weaker in comparison to a
RAW banana, but NEITHER IS TOXIC to the bloodstream; and no
one here is claiming that one is toxic the other healthful.
No one has to rationalize anything in comparing those two
foodstuffs. (I also don't think anyone here is saying that
cinnamon is a "serious threat to our health." I think we're
talking about the ideal here.)

And maybe people have been sprinkling cinnamon on things
for thousands of years but that doesn't mean humans have
evolved to consume such things, including spices. Note that
poisonous mushrooms have been around a while, and they're
all natural... and raw. You don't even have to grind them
up and/or bottle them. And they probably taste pretty good
as well...

And maybe people can rationalize, or not rationalize, that
so-called "purists" and pure food are [bleep]; or rationalize,
or not rationalize, that food that is altered (beyond picking
and washing) is somehow not "processed"; but all that really
matters (in a context of physical health) is the consequences
of one's lifestyle: how something affects, or does not affect,
the blood.

That's where physical health is lost or found.

Steve
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[www.rawgosia.com]

I have seen nothing to suggest cinnamon "toxifys" the blood so if you could post some credible information id appreciate it.

Everything can be toxic in excess so again the argument is pretty pointless. In my eyes cinnamon is a healthy spice/condiment due to the studied health benefits.

deterioration of physical health has multiple factors.

OMG - take a breath PPL!!
Sounds like you're afraid of food!!
haah!!
I eat cinnamon and will continue to!! LOTS OF IT!

Mash 3-4 bananas
3-4 tbs cinnamon
OPTION add 2 TBS cacao... or more ( I know CRACKAO!!!!!)
some Cayenne....

YUMMY sauce to pour over berries! YUM

Paragon, good point, however, the objective scientific studies all show cinnamon to be beneficial, ive never even heard of one that says its harmful in any way, Id be more than willing to read one.

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Exactly how many "objective" studies have been done on
cinnamon anyway? And, after being on and off this message
board for 9 years, it's always truly amazing to me how
much completely, or near-completely, unquestioned faith
is placed (HERE OF ALL PLACES!) in so-called "objective"
and "scientific" studies by the Medical Establishment.

Remember, my friends, this is the same "science" that
has brought about a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$multi-
TRILLION$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Medical Establishment that is pretty non-RAW in its outlook
and its so-called "science"; especially in terms of what
constitutes health and how to recover from disease. The
results speak for themselves.

You can ignore the blood issue, as being the key to health,
all you want, but that isn't going to change the consequences
of one's actions one iota. And yes, "deterioration of physical
health has multiple factors"; but they all lead to one thing:
toxic blood - to the point where the body can no longer keep
itself healthy. (Of course, if you're of the Medical Mindset,
health is found in a bottle/pill/potion/magic elixir - all made
by "scientists"; or it's recovered by cutting off limbs/breasts/tonsils,
etc., etc., etc.)

And, regarding the cinnamon issue, if you're looking for
something you've "never heard of" try reading the article
first referenced above. NO ONE here seems to have even
read it! (Including myself, until just a few moments ago.)

Steve
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[www.rawgosia.com]

Hi everyone

These 'scientific studies' that have found cinnamon has 'medicinal' qualities...

All 'medicines' are toxic. They work by suppressing symptoms, introducing a new toxin, which diverts the body's energy away from the cleansing activities producing symptoms, and symptoms stop.

Substances with anti-bacterial properties kill bacteria. They don't distinguish -oh, you're OK, you're not!'. Bacteria are clean-up agents. They're there to help us.

It's when conventional medicine intervenes with the cleaning-up, tries to prevent that, tries to destroy the bacteria and/or introduce new toxins (medicines) into the system, that MASSIVE problems occur!

I know half reading this will be appalled at this suggestion. You'll say 'But there are harmful bacteria - bacteria that can kill!'. Well, sorry, but the Natural Hygiene viewpoint is different. NH'ists aren't daft either. They just see the world in a radically different way and anyone who delves into this will find out that there are logical reasons for thinking as they do.

For every short-term 'cure', there will be a long-term price to pay.

IF cinnamon 'cures', IF cinnamon does this and that, it will likely be because it was ingested in unnatural quantities sufficient to produce a short-term 'effect'. And that effect will be paid for, eventually.

I do LOVE cinnamon, and, although I'm Natural Hygiene-orientated, have a sprinkling myself occasionally. (Dr Doug Graham has it too.)

But Andrew and the Natural Hygienists make some good points about cinnamon, and... let's be open-minded rather than get annoyed if someone suggests it's not a 'health food', or tell them they're 'afraid of food'(!), just because we happen to disagree with them!

When we go raw, we go the way 99% of the world isn't going. It opens our eyes and ears to completely new ways of looking at things. We find that beliefs we've cherished for many years are challenged. Sure, most of the world is convinced garlic, cinnamon etc are wonderful things! But they just - might - not be.

Toxic and toxify blood just sounds like another made up pseudo science wording. There are many different aspects which are the key to health, the state of the blood is only one. Again id like to see any information that shows spices toxify the blood.

You have to study the studies carefully many are poorly designed with there own intents in my mind. Saying that without science we are nothing more than individuals making up our own science tailored to our own beliefs which i believe is the key here.

Again i dont go with the NH belief, many fruits and vegetables contain compounds which kill bacteria, funghi etc so are they just cures and "symptom supressors/toxic". Infact many of the compounds in spices/herbs that achieve this are the same ones found in fruits and vegetables. For some reason there not viewed with the same fate by NH's.

I read the article, the conclusions made in it are not based on objective facts ,neither are your arguments, you are the one who first brought up objectivity, Im saying, personal opinion with no medical/scientific studies to back it up cant possibly be considered an objective opinion, let alone fact, is that an unreasonable statement? with that question, I am done with this convo, hope you have a good day, I will, filled with delicious cinnamon.

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Cinnamon does have some strong substance in it that's capable of melting weak plastics.

I had heard of its insecticide qualities and I put some in a cup near the ants and left it for awhile and the cinnamon melted into the cup and the sides of the cup where the cinnamon was turned brown. I kept the cup for years and still used it, because it was part of a set, and repeated washing in the dishwasher did not remove the cinnamon!

When I was a child, we would take cinnamon oil and dip wooden toothpick in the oil to flavor the toothpicks. We had to be very careful chewing on these toothpicks because the oil could burn our mouths. So I am not surprised that cinnamon is toxic, it is certainly capable of causing pain!

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> When I was a child, we would take cinnamon oil and
> dip wooden toothpick in the oil to flavor the
> toothpicks. We had to be very careful chewing on
> these toothpicks because the oil could burn our
> mouths. So I am not surprised that cinnamon is
> toxic, it is certainly capable of causing pain!

LOL. My healthfood store sells these and I use them sometimes:
[www.evitamins.com]

I like it at first then it starts burning then I somehow built a tolerance for the burn. They also have tea-tree oil in them though.



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Also, true cinnamon, and what is commonly sold as cinnamon in the U.S. are two totally different (although related) species... anybody noticed that most cinnamon you buy in the stores isnt spicy? cause it isnt really cinnamon... although has much of the same health benefits without the strong compounds, although as previously mentioned, many other things have the same stuff... everything is about moderation... even water can kill you if you drink to much:/...

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I never think about eating cinnamon, so on that, I don't really have an opinion.

But I agree with Prana about possible benefits of cinnamon and tea tree oil for dental care. I was thinking about this thread today when I chose a cinnamon/tea tree oil mouthwash at the health food store. It made a good hand-wash later too, when I had to use a really gross porta-potty!