They must have taken down that zooplankton video within the last 24 hours, LOL! I think much of the reaction was like we discussed on here: why do raw fooders (and high-rawsters and wannabes) have to take all this exotic (and expensive) stuff rather than simply eat plenty of raw fruits and veggies? Boy would I love to know the backstory on this one!

When I said 'reaction,' I meant regarding the comments I read, plus the ratio of thumbs down to up.

Zooplankton are little sea animals, like jellyfish and krill. (Not vegan)

And according to Wikipedia, they can also act as a disease reservoir and harbor cholera. (Not good)

[en.wikipedia.org]



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It's probably tough to make a living at this lifestyle, rather than just living it, without selling superfoods and supplements and gear. This is not to say that they are shills who aren't earnestly fond of the products they are selling. Rather,it's likely an important ancillary livelihood, and with a small target demographic, it's understandable that it might get weird.

I agree. It's definitely understandable, especially since Matt and Angela are very young. But still, it's not a good day for animals when "vegans" endorse products associated with animal cruelty and death. And many committed vegans will assume products are vegan if raw vegans are selling them.

For all we know though, Matt and Angela may not even be aware that certain of their products are not vegan and involve cruelty to animals. They may be victims themselves of unscrupulous sales techniques from their distributors.

I think it's a good sign that they took down their zooplankton video. Maybe they saw "plankton" and thought it was seaweed, and now they know better. I hope that's the case.

I've written to them about the colostrum and actually pleaded with them about the deer antlers. I'll probably write them about the zooplankton, and I hope others will write to them too. The more people who write, the better the chance of protecting an animal from suffering and harm. Their contact site:

[www.therawfoodworld.com]

I'd like to see raw vegans feel challenged to take the lead on animal protection. That doesn't mean we have to be especially active (although it would be nice), but we should voice our concern and commitment. Only concerned humans can protect animals. If not us vegans, then who? They depend on us.

suncloud Wrote:
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> Zooplankton are little sea animals, like jellyfish
> and krill. (Not vegan)
>
> And according to Wikipedia, they can also act as a
> disease reservoir and harbor cholera. (Not good)
>
> [en.wikipedia.org]


OMG- I never caught that. I was still thinking they were seaweed. No, then they are creatures, it's NOT vegan, but then again neither is the antler extract. The jury is still out on exactly why they took down that video. It may not be due to the product not being vegan because none of the negative comments even mentioned that. The people were a bit bemused by these supplements rather than promoting whole foods that don't cost an arm and a leg.

Does anyone get Matt's newsletter? I am wondering if he's talking about himself here. Supposedly he's putting out a second email with this sort of thing:

"Some of the topics that I plan to cover in this newsletter include:

Tips on how to become a multi-millionaire, including my own story on how I accomplished this. Free energy Can a car engine really be altered to run on water? What is my role in actually making this type of water engine? The power of manifesting Do UFOs exist? What kind of research plan do I have underway with crazy technology to find out the truth about UFOs? (I've never yet seen a UFO and I want the truth!) Connecting with spirit and the unknown Preparedness Tips on how to create a successful business How to make a Webinar ;-)

To be honest with you, a level of fear has held me back from discussing these types of topics before, due to predictable reactions of "outrage" and judgement from a certain number of people who follow our work. Well, no longer will I be holding back!

I feel that this is going to be an exciting new venture and I look forward to sharing with you all of our plans, thoughts and ideas to help us, you and humanity to all keep moving forward.

In the meantime, you don't want to miss that financial webinar that they are graciously hosting again for us! The stock market had its bull market and then crashed! Real estate had its bull market and then crashed! Now it's time for the biggest bull market that we have ever seen in the history of humanity; and this is what I want all of us to be aware of. It's exciting and I personally believe if you follow the plan outlined in this fre*e webinar, you have the potential to reach financial goals that you perhaps never thought were possible."

It sounds like it's Matt writing this and so it begs the question: he's a multimillionaire?!

I can't be arsed to watch 1 min. of that guy's videos. He is way too spacey for me. And Angela Stokes seems like she has an eating disorder to me. Isn't she the one that eats like a couple juices a day, half a cookie, and some other processed crap like bee pollen? They certainly aren't vegan.

Hey thanks banana for the update.

Hi Utopian Life.



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banana who,

Eh . . . I am genuinely baffled by this. I smell the soft, patchouli-tinged odor of multi level marketing scheme wafting over from an adjoining room . . .

hi, suncloud!!!

Tam: LOLOLOLOL!!!

I have heard DW say that fruits and veggies have been so hybridized and so supermarketed that they have no nutrition anymore.
But as Juliano says, even the commercial fruit is better than a big mac.

I feel like that, like supermarket fruits have very little, like where are the seeds. But that wont make me go to eating exotic things just for minerals. There is plenty of wild food, one can get walking home.

I think it's overblown for DW to say such a thing. I have his book with that statement but that includes bananas, carrots, beets...Sorry, not gonna stop eating them!

DW is not a nutritionist, has zero scientific qualification for making such statements or publishing them in any book and is frankly full of hybridized horse pucks. Guess what? If a plant didn't have ANY nutrition in it at all it wouldn't be able to sustain it's own growth, duh!
If you're really worried about getting enough good stuff make it a habit to drink green smoothies and you'll be fine. The rest of the time just focus on not putting garbage into your body and everything should be just fine.

If people seem like they're trying to sell you something to get their hands on your money that's probably exactly what's happening. When one of these business people starts talking up something that they DON'T sell and make a profit on I'll consider listening.

Thanks for putting it like that, Coco. It was a bit discouraging to read that because it made it seem as if these things were almost like SAD foods. I do think that most corn is so hybridized that I really dislike the flavor; it's not "corny" enough usually and way too sweet. But carrots feel good to me, as do beets. Grounding, as roots are supposed to make us feel.

I am wondering what's up with those videos, though. After Matt took down the last one, he hasn't made another. Curious as to why. The one before the removed video was posted two weeks ago!

Yeah that made me laugh for sure. Thank you.

Tamukha Wrote:
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> banana who,
>
> Eh . . . I am genuinely baffled by this. I smell
> the soft, patchouli-tinged odor of multi level
> marketing scheme wafting over from an adjoining
> room . . .

I thought David Wolfe had a degree in nutrition? Says he has a masters degree on his site anyway.

[www.amlaberry.co.uk]

Perhaps he earned one in recent years to help validate the things he says.
Looks like it didn't help :/.