I'm reaching the point in my dietary experience where I've come full circle and I'm giving up trying to make sense out of what's going on in the raw community. After 14-15 years nothing has changed, it's just different players playing the same game, fighting over the same topics, please folks, don't believe the hype that all the guru's spew out about how great the raw lifestyle is or how big/mainstream the raw lifestyle is getting because in my opinion, your getting ripped off and there's too many chiefs and not enough indians with everybody trying to be the next "sexy/hip" raw guru sensation while others are still lost in the woods struggling to get through each day....I just don't get it, where are the people that actually want to make progress?

The mainstream/scientific community isn't going to come to the raw vegan community and say how right we are and ask us to take them under our wings teach them,like the guru's would like to make you think,these mainsream scientists are already doing the same thing to us that we are doing to Mother nature, RIPPING IT OFF! and claiming it as their own creation.

I've seen raw guru's re-package mother natures free handouts and sell it back to the raw community under new fancy names as if they created fruits themselves. Some of their followers will defend these re-packaged knockoffs of Mother natures own creations as if their life depended on it, yet will discredit or take what nature already gives for free totally for granted, such things as the air we breath, the sun that shines down on us/gives us light or the water we drink is not given a second thought by most people in this community or in any other community for that matter but I would have thought that this raw community would take better care of natures feelings/gifts.

Think about it...without the sun, air, water, where would we be...and do you really think that your fruits and veggies are really that healthy, well think again, everything on this planet is polluted to some extent, so don't expect perfection or perfect ever lasting health, please do your research and make sure you know where the water to grow these fruits and veggies comes from, how these fruits are collected/stored, what chemicals are in them and how much actual life force/nutrition is left in the them by the time they reach your table/plate or mouth. I could share more opinions but I would just be attacked and called crazy. Personally I believe the nutrition in fruits is for the actual fruit/seeds itself and that the fruit is the womb of the tree/plant but that's another story/thread for another day! At the end of the day the moment the fruit is picked from the tree the clock is ticking and the count down begins.

If I sound bitter and twisted...well... yes I am because I feel that Mother natures getting shafted and we are totally losing the plot here.

As for me I'm going to spend time going within and doing my own thing, I feel my time on the raw food forums is just about run it's course, plus I'm sure you guys are sick of reading me complaining, ha,ha! I just wanted to leave you with something to think about...alright I'm done whining and complaining and I've kicked away my soap box.

Laters.

RB





Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2009 05:03PM by richard blackman.

Oh...btw...I've got to know a lot of great folks on his board and I wish all of you the very best on your raw path.

RB

Richard,

If you're still here, I want you to know how beneficial every one of your posts has been to me, every one, and that I wish you all good things forever. Thank you. Safe journey.

Richard,

Are you saying that fruits are not for us ?
What do you think we should be eating ?

Richard,

Everything you have just said really resonates with me as 'right on,' and I find myself in complete agreement. I just want to thank you (again) for walking the walk, and for sticking your neck out from time to time to share your insights with us, because as you know, people who are ahead of their time get roundly criticized. Or to put it a little differently:

Those who run on ahead of the pack
Tend to get a whole lot of flack,
And those who travel apart from the herd
Often get branded crazy and absurd.

:-p

It takes guts to forge ahead on the path; more power to you! I'll be checkin' out your websites to see what's new.

Sharrhan:


[www.facebook.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2009 06:11PM by kwan.

hardcore! lol

Happy Valentine's Day!

[www.giveittomeraw.com]

If you feel like you need to know more about your food, grow it! Plant trees, plant veggies, grow your food, and you'll know what water is used, how they are handled, how fresh they are. And you'll feel happy and rewarded by Nature by eating something you worked for really, and not virtually like you buy something in a store.
Otherwise, regarding "Personally I believe the nutrition in fruits is for the actual fruit/seeds itself ": fruits are not nutrition for the seeds. Seeds have their own nutrition in them, and can pass winter without harm, whereas the fruit won't last more than a few days or weeks once ripe. Fruit is a trick from Nature to get us to carry around the seeds with it and propagate the plant/tree further away. Fruit is meant to be eaten by animals, not by the seeds...

Raw Fruit Festival
[www.raw-fruit-festival.net]
Health, Fitness and Fasting Retreats in Spain
[www.fit-in-nature.net]

Tamukha Wrote:
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> Richard,
>
> If you're still here, I want you to know how
> beneficial every one of your posts has been to me,
> every one, and that I wish you all good things
> forever. Thank you. Safe journey.

Hey thanks a lot, you too have helped me more than you know!...keep being you!

RB

kwan Wrote:
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> Richard,
>
> Everything you have just said really resonates
> with me as 'right on,' and I find myself in
> complete agreement. I just want to thank you
> (again) for walking the walk, and for sticking
> your neck out from time to time to share your
> insights with us, because as you know, people who
> are ahead of their time get roundly criticized. Or
> to put it a little differently:
>
> Those who run on ahead of the pack
> Tend to get a whole lot of flack,
> And those who travel apart from the herd
> Often get branded crazy and absurd.
>
> :-p
>
> It takes guts to forge ahead on the path; more
> power to you! I'll be checkin' out your websites
> to see what's new.


Ha,ha...yes Kwan, I think right now people are thinking I've lost it but as you say, all this is a little bit a head of it's time and won't really make much sense right now until later on down the line but I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't share it now! because we are supposed to be making progress to higher levels of consciousness and not stuck in glutony and distraction....Yes Kwan...stay in touch , you got my facebook page!

RB

ya, I have read you Final goodbye...3 maybe 4 times in the past 3-4 years...

I agree with you how raw food which is supposed to be NATURAL and Healthy is getting tarnished and twisted...

But, your posts seem to have a bit too much drama for me...
And when you are asked specifics, you don't even answer the question...
umm...

If you are going to go, go then...

Be a quiet, but Strong example of the lifestyle without causing a fuss...
Take some notes for Tim Van Orden.
Who is NOT out there trying to make a buck out of RAW like most everyone else out there..

I will be surprised if I DON'T read another post from you in a few months saying your final goodbye...hahaha..you are like the Stones!!

Peace



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2009 10:57PM by rawrnr.

rawrnr Wrote:
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> ya, I have read you Final goodbye...3 maybe 4
> times in the past 3-4 years...
>
> I agree with you how raw food which is supposed to
> be NATURAL and Healthy is getting tarnished and
> twisted...
>
> But, your posts seem to have a bit too much drama
> for me...
> And when you are asked specifics, you don't even
> answer the question...
> umm...
>
> If you are going to go, go then...
>
> Be a quiet, but Strong example of the lifestyle
> without causing a fuss...
> Take some notes for Tim Van Orden.
> Who is NOT out there trying to make a buck out of
> RAW like most everyone else out there..
>
> I will be surprised if I DON'T read another post
> from you in a few months saying your final
> goodbye...hahaha..you are like the Stones!!
>
> Peace

Thank you....for proving my point so very well!

RB





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2009 11:08PM by richard blackman.

paulieGB Wrote:
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> Richard,
>
> Are you saying that fruits are not for us ?
> What do you think we should be eating ?

Wassup buddy!

I'm not worthy of this question and I'm not going to act like I know what the exact purpose of fruits are or that I know exactly what we should be eating because truth be told I have absolutely no idea and niether does anybody else in my opinion, all I can do is share my personal opinion and that is that fruits are fruits, if you want to call it food then that's your personal choice and a perfectly valid one, they have their own adgenda in the same way as flowers, I believe fruits are the wombs of the tree/plant and in my view they have their own materials for growth already supplied within themselves.

As for what we are supposed to eat, we have a choice to do whatever we want, we can eat fruit and get away with it for decades and appear healthy but we can also eat cooked foods and get away with it for decades and appear healthy but does that mean either one is truly meant for us!? That just proves that the body is very forgiving. BUT.....if I jumped into a lake and tried to breathe that would be another story for obvious reasons!...So should the focus be elsewehere perhaps???? are we barking up the right tree when we rely on calories, protien, fats, etc, from food????...I'm not trying to be an interlectual because I don't know a darn thing about our true food or need for it and to be honest with you anybody that really knows me knows that I don't concern myself with these things, I leave the nutrition to my body to sort out, my concern is that I just get on with living.

Hope that helped PGB

On that note, I'm out...see y'all.

RB





Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2009 11:48PM by richard blackman.

Hey rawrnr....posting me mean and insulting PM's on this board simply proves everything I thought/said about you to be correct!...PLEASE...for your own benefit, go and seek personal counceling.

You have already shown this board your true colours, I don't have to say a single word against you!

Thank you

RB





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:10AM by richard blackman.

RAWRNR....Here's your PM to me....so everyone else can see!!! are you an abuser that picks on people behind closed doors when NOBODY is looking!?

If you really have no respect for me...why contact/pursue me!?...wouldn't it make more sense to simply see me go without drawing attention to yourself!?

Shame on you....quit blaming everybody else around you and get yourself some help!

RB

Still here?? ha!!
From: rawrnr
To: richard blackman
Date: 02/14/2009 06:22PM


THought you were leaving?
lol!
Remember me?
I was part of your FREE raw bootcamp challenge about a year ago...
Struggling with giving up my grains...
You booted me and many others off the challenge...
AND you told me I me I needed MENTAL help cuz I was unstable...
Now, you can see why I really have no respect for you...
A guy who puts a tattoo on his FACE!!??
Telling me this..u have NO IDEA who I am buddy!
No idea what I do..

Ya. that is SUCH an emotionally stable thing to do!!
Tattoo face...ummm...stable...common sense....NOT!

hahaha!!
YOu are full of it...
Leaving one minute back the next...

Breatharian...
Fruitarian...
Raw..

WHATEVER...

GOD I hope you are NOT at RAW Fitness week this year, if you are you will see how UNSTABLE I am!
hahahaha!!

I guess I will c u on the boards...
Selling things





Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:13AM by richard blackman.

So RAWRNR...you paid Doug all that money to attend his fitness week after everything you said about him....that just shows that looks mean nothing after all....huh!?

He's got your money so what does he care how he looks's he's laughing all the way to the bank with it. So what was it all about!!??...maybe this actually answers your original question in your raw role model post!

RB





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:27AM by richard blackman.

you need Psychological HELP buddy!!
DRAMA QUEEN
How much attention do u need?
PRINCESS

I keep my PM box full to keep the crazies out of my business.

which is sad because La_veronique usually sends me beautiful poetry

tattooed face just says to me "I don't plan on spending much time at the mall" don't think it has anything to do with common sense. Might not be the most common sense thing to do if a person was insecure or gave a @#$%& about what others think or was running for office.


[www.giveittomeraw.com]

rawrnr Wrote:
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> you need Psychological HELP buddy!!
> DRAMA QUEEN
> How much attention do u need?
> PRINCESS

Thank you, I'll work on that!

Be good

RB

I thought you were leaving...
hahahah!!!!!!!!
You've been leaving for years...but are always here...
What else u been lying about?
Good bye....

ya right!!

Rolling my eyes now!

hahahahaha

PS - I paid for H&F week B4 I saw those pictures...

WHy don't u send him a link..
oh wait...u prolly already did!!

Run and tell....baby!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:33AM by rawrnr.

anaken Wrote:
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> I keep my PM box full to keep the crazies out of
> my business.
>
> which is sad because La_veronique usually sends me
> beautiful poetry
>
> tattooed face just says to me "I don't plan on
> spending much time at the mall" don't think it has
> anything to do with common sense. Might not be the
> most common sense thing to do if a person was
> insecure or gave a @#$%& about what others think or
> was running for office.
>
>
> [www.giveittomeraw.com]

Ha,ha....Well see, I shouldn't have to do that Anaken....but it would be good for future reference to be able to block certain people....

The Moaris from New Zealand are some of the most beautiful tattooed people on the planet as one of many examples of cultures with traditional body art....RAWRNR knows nothing about me or my interests/passions and is just being the school yard bully that abuses people over the net or the abuser parent that stalks and mentally belittles the child any chance they get making sure they have no idea of self worth!....either way the pattern is clear to see....NEGATIVE ATITTUDE TOWORDS APPEARENCE!

RB





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:36AM by richard blackman.

yeah, I think people get that..

[www.giveittomeraw.com]

Richard,

Thank you for being you and most importantly keep breaking down the Health Barriers.

Nice to see you speak out about these scum sucking health scamsters.

rawrnr Wrote:
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> I thought you were leaving...
> hahahah!!!!!!!!
> You've been leaving for years...but are always
> here...
> What else u been lying about?
> Good bye....
>
> ya right!!
>
> Rolling my eyes now!
>
> hahahahaha
>
> PS - I paid for H&F week B4 I saw those
> pictures...
>
> WHy don't u send him a link..
> oh wait...u prolly already did!!
>
> Run and tell....baby!

You've know about the tattoo on my face for a while now before you paid. I know that because you posted hate mail about it to me when you also requested to come to my boot camp in NZ on my facebook page, then you posted that you registered for his camp on Vegsource shortly afterwards. My pics are up on Doug's site for all to see and if you knew I'd be there and you have such distaste towards me and if as you say , Doug looks 100 years old, why pay all that money to go and be trained by two people that you don't care for?

RB





Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:50AM by richard blackman.

globalresult Wrote:
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> Richard,
>
> Thank you for being you and most importantly keep
> breaking down the Health Barriers.
>
> Nice to see you speak out about these scum sucking
> health scamsters.

Ha,ha...no man, I can't take credit for speaking out, sometimes I'll see a post that I feel I need to speak on and I will but I generally keep my mouth shut otherwise, I don't like injustices and if my intuition says speak on it I will.

But regardless of what anybody says I'll still be thriving and doing my thing, after all what are the real reasons why people feel the need to be so mean, is it because I'm doing something different....REALLY????!...I don't know RAWRNR and I've never met her in person...I've never cussed her out or physically attacked her in anyway...so where does all the hostility stem from?

Either way, RAWNRNR has given you a small idea of the things I put up with because I choose to live my lifestyle differently from others...now maybe people won't think I'm full of crap after all.

Be good GR

RB





Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 12:56AM by richard blackman.

I think the tatoo on the face looks pretty cool actually.
And I wish I looked as good as F-1.
I personally feel the blackman is pretty lagit
and is not here for money or selling things.
Hes the whole reason I went fruitarian when I did
by reading and watching his videos back when he explained
what raw transitioning is all about.
But it is true, nobody really knows what were supposed to eat really or how much
but I do feel raw is best and cooked is not sim ply because I feel
so much better now than I did when I was eating the SAD diet.
Yea F-1 I can see why you feel the eay ya do cuz it seems everyone has to argue and disagree rather than just share experiences and be cool to each other.

roadrunner Wrote:
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> I think the tatoo on the face looks pretty cool
> actually.
> And I wish I looked as good as F-1.
> I personally feel the blackman is pretty lagit
> and is not here for money or selling things.
> Hes the whole reason I went fruitarian when I did
> by reading and watching his videos back when he
> explained
> what raw transitioning is all about.
> But it is true, nobody really knows what were
> supposed to eat really or how much
> but I do feel raw is best and cooked is not sim
> ply because I feel
> so much better now than I did when I was eating
> the SAD diet.
> Yea F-1 I can see why you feel the eay ya do cuz
> it seems everyone has to argue and disagree rather
> than just share experiences and be cool to each
> other.

Yeah, I wish ya luck man, you've been at it for a while now, eh?

I remember when you first started....

RB





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 02:53AM by richard blackman.

sgc Wrote:
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> Fruit is meant to be
> eaten by animals, not by the seeds...

How do you know...have you been a seed?

Have you ever had a compost bin made out of your old fruit scraps and had fruits grow out of it?

I've grown many mango tree's and other fruits from my fruit compost heaps, I've grown fruit trees simply by planting the actual fruit and letting it rot which created it's own compost with the help of all the other bugs and bacteria doing their thing, which is why I say that the fruit comes with it's own nutrients!

Again, I'm not saying I'm right because I've got no idea what I'm talking about either and I've never been a seed so I cannot say with any conviction what is truth and what isn't, I'm simply sharing a thought.

As for animals eating fruits....they'll eat a snickers bar too if you let them!...if it tastes good they'll eat it, healthy or not...us humans have proved that for generations by doing the same!

RB





Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2009 03:14AM by richard blackman.

Oh...btw...I don't do Doug's fitness week anymore....but don't tell RAWRNR...ha,ha!

RB

Richard,

I want to thank you for all the fitness information you let me glean from you these past two years. You reinforced what I already knew deep down inside. That is, that you can't eat right and neglect your fitness. Health doesn't come from an optimum diet alone. In this regard, you led by example.

I guess we all have a different perspective of how things are around here because I found you to be humble yet confident. Even when you disagreed, you did so in a very respectful manner which is more than I can say for some people.

I wish you nothing but the best in your journey. I hope we can cross cyber paths again some day.

rawrnr Wrote:
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> you need Psychological HELP buddy!!
> DRAMA QUEEN
> How much attention do u need?
> PRINCESS

Looking at your references to me as a QUEEN and PRINCESS when you know I'm a male, are you implying that to be refered to as a women is a put down?....your choice of put down here is a strange one coming from another woman!

It's like me trying to put you down by calling you African American.

RB