The title has been renamed as "Atkins Exposed"

[www.atkinsexposed.org]

Really good read about the dangers of the high fat diet trends and their histories.

Are these high-fat raw plant-based diets?

you could read it yourself and find out the answers. It is free

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> you could read it yourself and find out the
> answers. It is free


I did. How does what you posted apply to high-fat raw plant-based diets?

oh ok. How does it not apply to high-fat raw plant-based diets? You do the effort then.

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> oh ok. How does it not apply to high-fat raw
> plant-based diets? You do the effort then.


Because high-fat diets rich in animal products and low in carbs are different than high-fat diets rich in plant foods and high in carbs. Can't claim all "high-fat" diets are unhealthy, it'd be the same logic as claiming vegan diets were unhealthy if you followed vegans who ate a bunch of processed and cooked foods.

Anybody could claim that only stone ground cold press unfiltered extra virgin olive oil makes the whole difference. A common trick is to isolate yourself from criticism by choosing special pleadings (like the super X olive oil) because nobody can investigate such remote claims. There are a lot of unhealthy high fat diet vegans out there. It reduces the diameter of the arteries (even if they are thin at the waist). Common sense has to be present in the total equation.



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"Anybody could claim that only stone ground cold press unfiltered extra virgin olive oil makes the whole difference. A common trick is to isolate yourself from criticism by choosing special pleadings (like the super X olive oil) because nobody can investigate such remote claims. There are a lot of unhealthy high fat diet vegans out there. Common sense has to be present in the total equation."

When did I say anything about oils? I'm referring to high-fat raw plant-based diets void of oils. There are a lot of unhealthy low-fat diet vegans as well.

"It reduces the diameter of the arteries (even if they are thin at the waist)."

Where has this been proven in regards to high-fat raw plant-based diets?

I dunno why every thread on here is am off topic low versus high fat diet argument. The book, as i recall from 7 or 8 years ago, was about how carbohydrate foods can be healthy. And avoidance of the same irrational. Nothing about raw food, high versus low or something in between fat, no ego strokes

looks like some crickets only come out when something bad is said about fat. But not the other way around. Fats damage the endothelium (one cell thick) by AGEs. This in turn opens for farther problems long term (5+ years) with like cholesterol or calcium. The only proven method to reverse cardiovascular dissease is with a low fat diets.

I'd like to see some proof that a single person studied on those citations above was on a raw low-fat high carb diet. Thanks!

oh, look a cricket came out to the sun

[www.amazon.com]

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> Panchito Wrote:
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> > oh, look a cricket came out to the sun
> >
> >
> [www.amazon.com]
>
> > e-Nutrition-Based/dp/1583333002
>
> Ive not read his book, so im not away to comment
> on it.
>
> Im not disagreeing with him that a plant based
> diet is supportive and probably even reverses some
> aspects of cardiovascular disease. We know this
> already the protection a plant based diet has to
> offer.
>
> But i suspect the plant-based diet Dr. Caldwell
> Esselstyn discusses is no where near reminiscent
> of 80/10/10 or all raw. Infact most of these vegan
> MDs and nutritionists base there diets around
> cooked plant foods. Some like Joel Furhman even
> include a small portion of animal foods, but
> majority plant based.
>
> Also is it really the low fat portion of these
> diets which is attributed to the benefits or is it
> the increase in healthy foods rich in fiber,
> antioxidants, vitamin, mineral and phyto-chemical
> plant foods there eating ? I think we'll find most
> of the studies agree that its the latter and
> nothing to do with the low fat portion of the
> diet, this is where these people are bias with
> these high plant based studies.
>
> We have a ton of reliable science there to suggest
> that a diet rich in the right type of heart
> healthy fats such as monounsaturated fats from
> nuts and seeds or omega-3 fatty acids(epa/dha) are
> both supportive and protective of cardiovascular
> health.
>
> There is some research there to show that low fat
> diets come with increased risks of possibly
> developing diabetes, and as to utopian's question,
> these studies are often finding that this is
> because people are replacing the fats with more
> carbohydrates. High-carb/sugar diets, much in the
> same way as high fat both have been heavily linked
> to increased risk of cardiovascular disease, so
> what do you say about that panchito ?
>
> Why do you think so many 80/10/10ers complain that
> there blood tests have high blood
> fat(triglycerides) levels, yet these people are
> eating no or low fat diets. High carb diets have
> been proven to increase triglycerides, so fat
> phobia might actually be increasing your risk of
> heart disease and blood fats. Ironic that
> following a low fat diet you may actually have a
> worse fat profile than me, despite me eating a
> small amount of nuts/seeds, olive oil, coconut oil
> and omega-3 rich foods, id bet who has the better
> fatty acid profile of us two.
>
> Its not rocket science, the Paleo studies all
> manipulate in a similar way. Feed any group of SAD
> eaters a high fiber plant based diet and they will
> improve there metabolic health markers i.e
> triglycerides, blood sugar, cholesterol etc. We
> know the increase in fiber from these foods can
> favorably impact these markers even in the short
> term. But how sustainable and healthy are these
> diets in the long term ?
>
> There is just too much reliable science there to
> suggest that a diet rich in heart healthy fats
> from nuts and seeds for example, i won't suggest
> the other food, is supportive and protective of
> cardiovascular health via a number of methods.
>
> Fat phobia is just as bad as carb phobia.
>

Agreed w last sentence. A 'low fat' diet is not the same as a fat phobic of coirse. So i guess your account still isnt banned. but you lurk every day?



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