does providing data and following scientific norms only apply to other people, not gosia?


<<Heather Blyth (story inside this thread) – 2.5 years on 30BAD diet, severe teeth problems (yellowing, erosion, brown marks), extreme fatigue, moodiness, extreme weight loss (down to 40kg), taken to hospital (spent 4 months there), diagnosed with sodium deficiency, B12 deficiency, depressions, spent next 10 months being looked after by her family (and was unable to look after her son)>>
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Still waiting for data on the above solely implicating fat intake, which is your conclusion.

>>>>Telling someone that 955 is OK, despite them clearly struggling with it, despite multiple stories of health issues on it, despite no scientific evidence for it, and despite scientific recommendation to the contrary? What sort of itis would this be?

"multiple stories of health issues on it"

there are multiple stories of health issues on ALL DIETS.
provide the data showing people on 955, indicating that it was the FAT content that caused failure.


We agree that there are some poor recommendations with 30bad, such as "any problems, just eat more".

fresh

what do you want?

not just for this thread

but for yourself, in general

what do you want?

why are you here?

are you happy?

what would it take for you to be happy?

how would we all need to change for you?

what do you want from us?

can you be happy with or without us saying this or that

eating this or that?

i wish for your happiness

i know you think what i just wrote here is incredibly arrogant

that's alright

you can go ahead and continue to think that

what took you so long, la v ?

you should have scolded me a long time ago!

share and learn, lav, share and learn.

you question my motives, my attitude, whatever.

I question those who demand science from others while not providing any.
i challenge hypocrisy..and condescension by mathematicians

rawgosia is a flame of light roaring through the fields to burn illusions
illusions - meaning... things that do not work for her
she strives to dismantle
you two have a lot in common
be her friend
and you will get a lot more done
far more quickly

if it is your mission to search for truth
to polarize
will divide only yourself
and alienate others
which will alienate you further
and wish for you to connect more
in the only way you seem to know how ( for now)
contention

it releases opiates
good for you for figuring that out
very smart

but in the long run
it also releases too much cortisol

an imbalance of yin and yang

be friends
you can have divergent views
and still respect

i respect 80 10 10 people
and also people who eat high amounts of fat
if it works for them
who am i to touch it?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2014 09:48PM by la_veronique.

i hear you. now read how an honest conversation could have gone, if gosia was not trying to protect her belief system.


gosia, do you have any information on what heather ate for those 2.5 years? couldn't her problems be b12 issues?

no, I don't have that information, and it could have been b12, but I think it was the low fat intake, because X,Y, Z, etc.

see? not so hard.

then you should simply have a conversation with yourself
since pretty much anything that anyone says seems to grievously upset you
if you see something that upsets you

break out your notebook ( or computer)
and do exactly what you did above

have a conversation
but you can pretend that you are the other person

and say EXACTLY what you wished to have heard in order to have felt respected

TRUST ME FRESh, they will NOT do that for you

i've been reading your wonderful posts for a while now

it does seem to me that no one ( not a SINGLE being ) can meet your standards

satisfy your needs for certain answers

everyone says the wrong things

no one is capable of giving you what you wish

but you can give that to yourself

see what you did above?

so easy

please continue on with that


it will make yourself and everyone else on this board a lot happier

and it will make your food taste better too

food tastes better when there is not too much cortisol circulating in the blood

and opiates begotten from giving YOURSELF what you wish

you will never go wrong

when you give yourself what you wish

asking for others to give what you wish

is like a grown adult who is still a child wishing to get from mom/dad

what they never got

and demanding it from everyone else ( i know... silly freudian junk... but still...)

have you ever ONCE gotten the reply that you wished for?

if so, show me where

do you feel that in your mode you will EVER get the response you are looking for?

it is like going into a maze that has no exit

and continuing to pit oneself into that maze over and over again

trying to find an exit

avoid the maze

give yourself the gift of freedom

give yourself whatever you need

if you need to have such a conversation that you create ( like in the above response you gave me concerning how you wished for rawgosia to have responded to you)

please do that

it is very useful creative and ultimately beneficial

no one here has ever given you what you wanted/needed/demanded

we have failed

time to wake up and realize that we will always fail

it is time for you to succeed by realizing that what you are asking from us

is not something we were ever capable of giving you to begin with

you want a specific response or set of responses

have you ever gotten it?

no

will you ever get it?

the answer is:

never

look at the SCIENTIFIC PROOF

it is all over on this board

you have NEVER gotten the response you want,

that is the PROOF

that you have been looking for

it is ACCURATE PRECISE


you have a "request for data"

i have just given it to you

you're very welcome

Lav--"have a conversation
but you can pretend that you are the other person

and say EXACTLY what you wished to have heard in order to have felt respected "



Fresh, please don't bother with this loony toon Veroniq. That's the silliest idea ever.

that's a load of rubbish, la_v.

I am not talking about the content of a person's response.

I am talking about phony protestations of "you were mean to me" so I am not going to provide any support for my statements, as opposed to an honest non-evasive conversation.

see? I just had one of these with suncloud, and with others.

here you go, la_v...

suppose I said this to you...

"la-veronique, your lack of understanding of the basics of the raw diet means that there would be a lot of explaining to do on my part"

you know, like what gosia said to me...

"fresh, your lack of understanding of the basics of science means that there would be a lof of explaining to do on my part"


- yes, I know you would just be PERFECTLY FINE with that, eh? right.
- secondly, gosia is imagining my lack of understanding of the basics of science from some misinterpretation of something I said, and simply hurling an insult.

Hi LaV,

You're not a "loony toon". I'm sure you already know, but I thought I'd say it anyway.

fresh, la_veronique is right. Life is too short to waste it. I am certainly too old and too busy to want to squander precious time. If there was an interest in a discussion and building a relationship, then I would want to puruse it. Your itis comment made it clear to me that it was not worth it. I wish you all the best.



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You are oversensitive Gosia and using my alleged hurtful statement to avoid an honest discussion.

I was teasing you and making a point at the same time.

Nothing sinister, or mean, or "derogatory".

You made an assertion, and refused to support it, OR alternatively, simply say, I don't have that information.

but I know that blaming me is easier.

you collected data on people who failed on a raw diet.
you concluded without sufficient evidence that the low fat was the issue.
my questioning you makes you realize you don't have the information to support your statement
so instead of questioning your assumptions you blame me.
cognitive dissonance. it's right there on the bottom of all your posts.

this is nothing personal. I have been convinced and changed my mind on many things.
but i do tend to push back on assumptions and assertions without evidence as a way to increase learning for myself
and others and to search for the truth.

of course it is considered annoying.
questioning is usually considered annoying.

fresh, I don't find questioning annoying, the opposite is true. I find it's a waste of time to engage in activities that are not in line with what my sensitivity suggests. I hope that you can understand that it is unreasonable to expect from others that they should lower their level of sensitivity. Life is free. Have a wonderful day.


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fresh

<<that's a load of rubbish, la_v.>>

dig in

here is a fork, a knife, a spoon and a bowl

bon appetit!

I have no idea what is going on here, are we raw vegans fighting!!?? Or are we writing poetry. Let me know so I can join in!!

>?fresh, I don't find questioning annoying, the opposite is true. I find it's a waste of time to engage in activities that are not in line with what my sensitivity suggests. I hope that you can understand that it is unreasonable to expect from others that they should lower their level of sensitivity. Life is free. Have a wonderful day.

thanks for sharing gosia,
I do understand what you've said here.

I hope you also understand that there are other aspects other than sensitivity that impact a discussion, and the participants involved.

Like not answering simple questions that are posed in order to investigate information, that is a kind of insensitivity to open unbiased honest discussion.

Or like asking for peer reviewed studies on the one hand, yet at the same time not providing any information at all to support ones own view, and advance the discussion.

These things can create responses in fallible humans like myself that you may find uncomfortable, that could have been avoided in the first place by being more objective and open, imo.

Hi LaV,

<<You're not a "loony toon". I'm sure you already know, but I thought I'd say it anyway.>>


au contraire

we "are all only given a little spark of madness... (we) musn't lose it"

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