[www.dispatch.com]

You could not actually feed the world on organic food.
It would take more land, more work.

It is difficult to verify that what your are buying is really organic.

And it is expensive and not always fresh.

I personally prefer to grown my own indoor greens and sprouts.

If I have to buy I prefer to go for the raw and fresh produce but not necessarily organic



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Quoted from this BOGUS article:

"Unsure, Stanford University doctors dug through reams of research to find out — and concluded there’s little evidence that going organic is much healthier, citing only a few differences involving pesticides and antibiotics."

What ate those "reams of research"?

Could it have anything to do with these "162 scientific papers"?

[ca.news.yahoo.com]
Organic food is no healthier, study finds

...

A systematic review of 162 scientific papers published in the scientific literature over the last 50 years, however, found there was no significant difference.

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[ca.news.yahoo.com]

JR Insert: Since those 162 papers were from 1958 to 2008, it’s important to understand that those earlier studies done long ago were flawed and should not be used and then, there have been 15 studies done since February 2008, which is the cutoff date, and all of those studies are in favor of organic food. Indeed, this is a perfect example of how statistics can be manipulated and this manipulation is done all of the time because each and every one of us is sick. If we weren’t so sick, we would never allow this to happen.

Here's a more recent article...

[www.naturalnews.com]
Yet another reason to go organic - Research verifies it really is more nutritious
Friday, August 02, 2013 by: Carolanne Wright

(NaturalNews) While it's generally agreed in the natural health arena that organically produced fare is superior in safety compared to crops that utilize GMOs or chemical pesticides, the fact that it's more nutritious might be overlooked by consumers. Conventional growers insist there isn't a substantial difference between the two, yet several studies have found otherwise.

The science behind nutrient rich organic edibles

In the battle between conventional versus organic, research has shown the latter to be the victor with higher levels of vitamins and minerals as well as conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) and omega-3 fats.

Nutritional profile of organic compared to conventional crops

After reviewing 41 published studies examining the nutritional content of conventional and organically grown crops, certified nutrition specialist Virginia Worthington discovered organic food rated significantly higher. Findings include greater levels of vitamin C (27 percent), iron (21.1 percent), magnesium (29.3 percent) and phosphorus (13.6 percent). She also notes that organic crops had lower nitrates and heavy metal contamination. Worthington's results can be found in The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine.

Likewise, a study led by Alyson Mitchell at the University of California-Davis found free radical scavenging flavonoids were notably higher in organic tomatoes. Over the course of ten years, organically produced tomatoes were compared to their conventional counterpart. The organic fruit was shown to contain between 79 and 97 percent more flavonoid, aglycones, quercetin and kaempferol than conventionally grown tomatoes.

Variance in milk fatty acids between organic and conventional farming practices

A study in the Journal of Dairy Research investigated the chemical composition of milk sourced from conventional and organic dairy sheep and goats in Greece. One hundred and sixty two milk samples were taken over three months. Results showed fat content was lower in the organic milk compared to conventional. Additionally, the researchers discovered:

"Milk from organic sheep had higher content in MUFA, PUFA, alpha-LNA, cis-9, trans-11 CLA, and omega-3 FA, whereas in milk from organic goats alpha-LNA and omega-3 FA content was higher than that in conventional one. These differences are, mainly, attributed to different feeding practices used by the two production systems."

According to the study, organic milk has a greater nutritional value (due to its fatty acid profile) compared to conventional milk when "produced under the farming conditions practiced in Greece."

Similar results were found with cow's milk. A team of researchers at the Institute of Food Science and Nutrition in Piacenza, Italy evaluated the fat composition of organic bulk milk as well as conventional. Once again, organically produced milk had higher levels of CLA. "The animal diet appears to be the factor which has the highest effect on the CLA concentration in milk and milk products and an organic diet based on fresh or dried forage, that is rich in CLA precursory fatty acids, may improve the yield of fatty acids with beneficial effects on health."

Sources for this article include:

[science.naturalnews.com]

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"Nutritional Quality of Organic Versus Conventional Fruits, Vegetables, and Grains," by Virginia Worthington, The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, Vol. 7, No. 2, 2001 (pp. 161-173)
[www.naturalnews.com]

RawPracticalist, what you said is very true.

I can't buy organic because organic fruits and veggies are incredibly expensive here and I have only few items available, so I would be lacking variety. Plus I never trust they are really organic. And even if they were, the price can't be justified. So I stick to the raw fresh fruits and veggies from the producers in the veggie/fruit market.

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> [www.dispatch.com]
> orld/2012/09/04/benefits-of-organic-food-found-to-
> be-overrated.html
>
> You could not actually feed the world on organic
> food.
> It would take more land, more work.
>
> It is difficult to verify that what your are
> buying is really organic.
>
> And it is expensive and not always fresh.
>
> I personally prefer to grown my own indoor greens
> and sprouts.
>
> If I have to buy I prefer to go for the raw and
> fresh produce but not necessarily organic

For starters your first statement is no good, sad. OMG, you will never evolve with this type of thinking LOL! Do you work for the government, are you a debunker lol. Are you a supporter of the Cancer foundation? they like pesticides-it keeps them in business lol. If you can't get good organic then you should think about moving, really, if you can. If you have ever had GOOD organic you would not be saying such things. I hope that one day-you will be able to experience GOOD...QUALITY! organic food. I do feel your pain in obtaining good organic food, it is not easy, not easy at all. This is why we need to demand that it be better, and buy it when it is good and affordable. It's really to bad it is so expensive and I hope that you can afford to get it if it is available in your area. I would love to know what country or state you are in?

Here is what a lady shared with me the other day.


"There was even a case of a man with a terrible brain problem that only cleared up after he stopped drinking his fresh raw green juice from Whole Foods, because the lab figured out the pesticides from the juice was the culprit. His problem cleared after giving up the juice. Juice is good, but pesticides are bad"


You want to eat conventional food? Well, maybe it's time to re-think that idea. Unfortunately eating raw vegan is expensive, but it will save you in the long run. Here is a powerful thought l sent to someone today.....

Think about this…people live unhealthy lifestyles, end up in hospitals at the end of their lives, the nurses call family in a few hours before they play God and murder them with drug overdoses. Are we meant to be crossing over after drugging up the pineal gland with toxic drugs??? Think about it. If you live un-naturally that is what you are going to risk exposing yourselves to. A pretty powerful thing to think about `eh


You think going to hospital is the third leading cause of death as documented in the world's most prestigious peer reviewed medical journal on July 24th 1990 (JAMA)?? I would put it to you that they are the leading cause of death,but the figure are far lower because they don't record intentional murder in the figures. Three of my four grand parents were murdered by drug overdoses.

It's time to wake up folks and take our own health into our hands.

"You think going to hospital is the third leading cause of death as documented in the world's most prestigious peer reviewed medical journal on July 24th 1990 (JAMA)?? I would put it to you that they are the leading cause of death,but the figure are far lower because they don't record intentional murder in the figures. Three of my four grand parents were murdered by drug overdoses."

Not only that but much of the time a drug/treatment will cause a side effect that ends up killing the patient but the medical records wont mention that the side effect was caused by the drug. For example, radiation can cause cancer patients to die of heart failure or pneumonia but the medical records won't mention that those side effects were caused by radiation. It's the equivalent to someone pleading not guilty to shooting someone (cancer treatments) because it was the gun's fault (side effects of cancer treatments).

reminds me of a funny episode of Penn and teller.

They take a banana and cut it in half.

Then they bring people up to the table to do a taste test and they say that one of the sides is organic, and the other one is commercial, take this taste test to see which one is organic and the people always say< OH THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS< THE ONE ON THE RIGHT TASTES BAD< OH DEFINITELY THE LEFT IS ORGANIC and it was funny.

[www.youtube.com]

I buy everything organic BTW.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "You think going to hospital is the third leading
> cause of death as documented in the world's most
> prestigious peer reviewed medical journal on July
> 24th 1990 (JAMA)?? I would put it to you that they
> are the leading cause of death,but the figure are
> far lower because they don't record intentional
> murder in the figures. Three of my four grand
> parents were murdered by drug overdoses."
>
> Not only that but much of the time a
> drug/treatment will cause a side effect that ends
> up killing the patient but the medical records
> wont mention that the side effect was caused by
> the drug. For example, radiation can cause cancer
> patients to die of heart failure or pneumonia but
> the medical records won't mention that those side
> effects were caused by radiation. It's the
> equivalent to someone pleading not guilty to
> shooting someone (cancer treatments) because it
> was the gun's fault (side effects of cancer
> treatments).

Exactly.

If we live in the false world and eat dead de-natured food (the food of the devil) we live in the dead world that is the devils world and become a servant to hier, so we then start to live in the devil's system of money and drugs (all linked) because we get sick from living in the dead world of dead foods, chemicals etc, so we buy into the false world of drugs that are created by people who worship money as their God. Of course my explanation is only a simple one, for the explanations are much more complicated than that, yet it is so simple to understand.

Btw...l am not against the medical profession and hospital because they can play an important role for low level world's that consist of people making unhealthy choices and dangerous cars and machinery that can harm us, BUT we must minimise harm by living well and to evolve enough to use technology where no person can become harmed ever again.

This may sound like silly ranting on the surface, but no no...this is a very full on concept if you can really see what l am trying to say here. Lots of advanced wisdom passed on from the cosmos here. If people take half a life time trying to understand those two paragraphs they will come further down the track than most will in many life times.

I feel like talking really advanced cosmic talk today. But let me ask you all this question. Why does evil exist, when did evil begin, and why is it's role important and needed in the development of the cosmos? And...why should we be greatful for the system's saviour that is evil? Note: the ctreator does not create rubbish or make mistakes. If you can answer that last question you will understand why the cosmos is set up the way it is. Things work in the opposite way to which we think they do. We think evilis bad, but it was implemented as an energy to save us from falling down the dark hole of oblivion, for that is the only way to keep stability in the cosmos. It sounds like a bundle on contractions, but it must be that way because wisdom can never be read in a book,for a person must grow into wisdom by being at one with the vibrational plane at whioch wisdom is met.

"Why does evil exist, when did evil begin, and why is it's role important and needed in the development of the cosmos?"

Because we must live a karmic existence in order for souls to spiritually grow?

"If we live in the false world and eat dead de-natured food (the food of the devil) we live in the dead world that is the devils world and become a servant to hier, so we then start to live in the devil's system of money and drugs (all linked) because we get sick from living in the dead world of dead foods, chemicals etc, so we buy into the false world of drugs that are created by people who worship money as their God."

Seems like it's all an illusion to keep us detached from what we really are so dark energies can thrive and manipulate others for their benefit.

The main purpose of life is that we gain knowledge and enlightenment.
You can only achieve those goals trough self control.
The problem is not that there is evil, the problem is that we need self control.
Where there is knowledge and self control there is no evil.
We are all familiar with the Marshmallow experiment and the benefit of delaying gratification. [en.wikipedia.org]

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Because we must live a karmic existence in order
> for souls to spiritually grow?

Kind of, but it goes a whole lot deeper than that. It goes deep yet is so simle.




RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> The main purpose of life is that we gain knowledge
> and enlightenment.
> You can only achieve those goals trough self
> control.
> The problem is not that there is evil, the problem
> is that we need self control.
> Where there is knowledge and self control there is
> no evil.


Perfectly said.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> The main purpose of life is that we gain knowledge
> and enlightenment.

thats a trick of the dominating brain that wants to feel safe. Life is not inn the brain. The life of the brain is pure illusion..

“The meaning of life is just to be alive. It is so plain and so obvious and so simple. And yet, everybody rushes around in a great panic as if it were necessary to achieve something beyond themselves.”

--Alan Watts

What does just to be alive means?
We need to be concerned about the lives of our neighbors
We need to be concerned about the life of our planet
We need to be concerned about the environment and food supply.
Just look at the panicking with the Ebola news and our inherent needs of security and our vulnerability.

That is why we have a brain, and reasoning
That is why we have self consciousness
That is why we have responsibility.

If your neighbor is playing loud music you cannot sleep.
If the driver in front of you suddenly stopped driving, you may be dead.

That is why it is not enough to just be alive, we have responsibility.



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