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"All these cheap ass fruits - you can't listen to these people that are talking about 'eat a bunch of sugar'. You cannot listen to them, they might digest carbs really well and not digest proteins and fats but many of us digest proteins and fats better than we do the sugars"

"All these high-sugar people - look how crazy they are. Look how negative they are. Critical. Negative. It's not working for you if you're critical and negative. You don't need to go around and point out what everyone is doing wrong, just encourage people. There's enough suffering in the world without adding to it, don't you think?"

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "All these high-sugar people - look how crazy they
> are. Look how negative they are.

All these newlywed high-fat people - look hypocrital they are. They keep going back and forth in between diets. Everytime they change, they make a video trashing the previous one but keeping the status of guru. How often do we have to hear how great is the new diet and make videos and SEMINARS aboiut the new diet? ja ja what a cheap guru.

Truthfully, I don't know how would anybody enjoy listening to someone rumble through words and think they are learning anything.



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Panchito Wrote:
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> All these newlywed high-fat people - look
> hypocrital they are. They keep going back and
> forth in between diets. Everytime they change,
> they make a video trashing the previous one but
> keeping the status of guru. How often do we have
> to hear how great is the new diet and make videos
> and SEMINARS aboiut the new diet? ja ja what a
> cheap guru.
>
> Truthfully, I don't know how would anybody enjoy
> listening to someone rumble through words and
> think they are learning anything.


right on, panchito. you make me laugh.

everyone is attracted to different things - that's cool.

i think Dan has a great attitude. i like his earnestness and peacefulness.

just not my style.

and what some people call negativity is truth seeking.

i listened to his interview with tavis that was 35 minutes long and they literally said nothing. i just got older. thanks a lot dan.

I'm "high sugar" and I'm not crazy.
In fact, I'm very down to earth and logical.
I look to science. I research. I do my homework.
I don't follow anything with blind faith.

The most important thing is to listen to your
body and intuition, HOWEVER, many people would
argue that their intuition is to eat a steak
every day and drink milk from a cow.

Physiologically, we are classified as frugivores.
The body runs on sugar. If you don't eat it, the body
will make it from whatever foods you eat.
Our digestive systems are nearly identical to chimps.
Those are the facts.

I am not trying to be rude or critical, but science
is important.

The Hunza people are famous for their unbeatable health.
They live well past 90 and beyond in great physical
health. And they eat large amounts of fruit year round.

"Why not have it all? Why not have physical health, emotional stability, mental control, and spiritual illumination and stillness? That's just it, it's like a full package. Some people have good spirituality and they're at peace but their body doesn't really work that well. Some people have really good bodies, very fit and athletic, but they treat other human beings like crap - judging and criticizing and blaming and adding to the negativity in the world in that way. Imagine if you could be healthy in your body, strong and loving in your heart towards yourself and all others, clear in your mind and focused on your personal vision for yourself, and then tapped in spiritually to that inner stillness, that pure creative principle within you."

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Why not have it all? Why not have physical
> health, emotional stability, mental control, and
> spiritual illumination and stillness? That's just
> it, it's like a full package. Some people have
> good spirituality and they're at peace but their
> body doesn't really work that well. Some people
> have really good bodies, very fit and athletic,
> but they treat other human beings like crap -
> judging and criticizing and blaming and adding to
> the negativity in the world in that way. Imagine
> if you could be healthy in your body, strong and
> loving in your heart towards yourself and all
> others, clear in your mind and focused on your
> personal vision for yourself, and then tapped in
> spiritually to that inner stillness, that pure
> creative principle within you."


Yes that would be wonderful.

Except for the part where people
are addressed as "cheap ass fruits"
and "how crazy they are" which is in
direct contrast to what is being said above.
Very hypocritical.

"Except for the part where people
are addressed as "cheap ass fruits"
and "how crazy they are" which is in
direct contrast to what is being said above.
Very hypocritical."

He is simply making an observation and he's far from the only one who has noticed this type of behavior from people on high-sugar diets. About fruit, I think he was more so trying to get the point across that not everyone does well on the highly promoted low-fat, high-fruit diets and that it's illogical to think there's one diet for everybody. He could also be referring to low-quality store-bought fruit which tends to be much lower in phytochemicals, bruised, and even unripe in some cases. It's not truly fresh.



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I can agree with the last part, in which more greens are beneficial because of poor fruit quality. And no doubt, people do well with different levels of fat. But, then there's science. Proportions of fat should be within reason and often not. Oils are definitely not health foods.


When I eat a lot of fat, I can literally feel the difference, even in heartbeat and pulse rate. I can feel the difference in how hard the heart has to work.

But "this type of behavior" is not limited to the "cheap ass fruits".
Putting one group of people down to support another is hypocritical
and going against the very values he's preaching.

"This type of behavior" is not limited to any one "group" of people.
People are individuals anyway.

I'm a "cheap ass fruit" who enjoys yoga and dance, laughs often,
loves to learn, works in a job where I help people and who's goal in life is to
make a difference and help people heal. Crazy, I know.

Dan is one of my favourite raw fooders.


"Cheap ass fruits" indeed! 9:05 - 9:12 . Not always ripe and most are not eaten fresh, those foods are at the bottom of the raw vegan wholefood rung as far as l am concerned. I will never be convinced otherwise. For some it works, but not many appear to be doing well on high fruit.


9:28 - 9:45 = raw fooders on high sugar showing agression, instability is spot on. Not all, but it is commonly observed, and questionable brain functioning too. If you are critical and negative, the raw food diet is NOT working regardless of how healthy you are on the outside. He is SPOT ON!!!


Not intended as criticism, they are only observations various people have made. We want to create awareness, not craziness and agression. When l first started reading the raw food forums l was SHOCKED by the behaviour of folks, and when l investigated more l found that almost all were high fruit. Again, this is not a criticism....my message is to develop awareness and find a diet that works where one is less agressive and more stable.


If you are getting angry and calling people names, what quality of life do you really have? The key is to be happy and chilled and not to be threatened by other people's ideas. If you are mentally balanced you have a great gift in this world, because many are not balanced due to the toxic environment, lifestyle they lead and the food. Many raw fooders have nothing except physical health....they seem to miss the boat on everything else...they are walking shells.



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hmm. seems like you're being critical and negative above.

My recent high fruit experiment

Loads of greens but noticable decline in brain functioning (brain feels buzzed out on sugar, partly cloudy and possibly toxic). Mental balance is good when massive amounts of greens are consumed.


Today l do high fruit with no greens. Will be good to see if my mood remains stable during the day. I will do fermented walnut and coconut yogurt in the evening after some hydrilla green algae and kelp.



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But without criticism, where would science be? Individual thought and new ideas?
Constructive and positive criticism is important.
Some of the most brilliant people in history came to be because they questioned.

Fruit rid me of many medical problems and brought me joy.
This included store bought fruits.

It has healed what medicine could not for me.

"If you are getting angry and calling people names, what quality of life do you really have?"

Exactly. So why refer to people as "cheap ass fruits" and "crazy"?
It's offensive and rude.

And coconut yogurt sounds delicious! Yum!
My favorite is green tea and coconut ice cream. c:

"So why refer to people as "cheap ass fruits" and "crazy"?"

He wasn't calling anyone "cheap ass fruits", he was literally talking about fruit.

Exeggutor Wrote:
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> Fruit rid me of many medical problems and brought
> me joy.
> This included store bought fruits.
>
> It has healed what medicine could not for me.



If the fruits work for you, stick with it. It does seem to work well for some.

Dan is experimenting with diets and trying to find what works best. I encourage all to do this.


Yes, using the words "cheap ass" and "crazy" is crude, and l wish Dan hadn't used those words, but getting offended by these things is also a problem because it indicates lots of ego. Dan used a poor choice of words and l shouldn't have acknowedged those words either, so l need to be more careful of my behaviour too, and l will endeavour to be more careful in future.

Getting defensive and being insulted are like poisen to the mind and soul. We don't have to buy into confrontations of others by excercising these low level behaviours. We need to respect ourselves enough to not lower our standards by getting defensive and insulted because that is like little boys behaviour from low level souls. We can't control the behaviour of others, so why not use wisdom and stop being drawn into the rot. It is important to become aware otherwise we will never rise up and become our own boss.



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THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> yeah you can probably get some healing from store
> bought fruits... still nowhere near as fresh
> picked fruits.
>
> I believe in the power of fruits to "move the
> lymph" as so many say they do. That property is in
> fruit even if it's store bought.


Yes, which is why l do farm fruits on occasions. Dr Morse has interesting ideas.

DTM main argument to tell if a diet works

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DTM says:

It's not working for you if you're critical (1) and negative (2).

1 critical:

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DTM says:

you can't listen to these people that are talking about 'eat a bunch of sugar'

You don't need to go around and point out what everyone is doing wrong

2 negative:

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DTM says:

All these high-sugar people - look how crazy they are.

CONCLUSION: DTM diet does not work according to his own words.

"CONCLUSION: DTM diet does not work according to his own words."

Making a single observation isn't the equivalent to living your life with a critical and negative mentality.

Of course fresh picked fruit is the best.
Fresh picked anything is the best.

Then again, most people aren't picking their produce themselves.

You call it ego.
I call it common courtesy.
No need to say rude things in the first place.

Also, I am not personally offended.
But there is no nice intent when calling someone crazy.
I am merely pointing out contradictions and
generalized statements.
Generalizing in itself is judgmental because it
does not apply to everyone.

1 making a critical observation is indeed being critical at that exact moment.

2 making a negative observation is indeed being negative at that exact moment.

3 telling people that their diets do not work because they are critical and negative, makes indeed his diet not work for that exact moment according to his own words.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "CONCLUSION: DTM diet does not work according to
> his own words."
>
> Making a single observation isn't the equivalent
> to living your life with a critical and negative
> mentality.

Dan doesn't have a diet he doesn't eat, constant fasting. The mans collar bones are protruding more and more...

Exeggutor Wrote:
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>
> You call it ego.
> I call it common courtesy.



There are two different things at play here.

Common courtesy is an action. Ego is more of a reaction to various factors. Common courtesy does not extend from ego because it is an action. I explain it poorly but l hope people can see the difference between these two things.


A massive storm is coming. I am concerned and need to go.

Making an accurate observation isn't being critical, it's telling the truth. He doesn't constantly judge, criticize, or blame people because they're not eating the same foods as he is.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Making an accurate observation isn't being
> critical, it's telling the truth.

[www.merriam-webster.com]

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critical: expressing criticism or disapproval

He was indeed being critical when he made those remarks. Aren't you now trying to play semantics to prove your argument?

> He doesn't constantly judge, criticize, or blame people
> because they're not eating the same foods as he is.

I was making an accurate observation without being critical. And I am telling the truth.

He doesn't move me. I am sensing a note of insincerity.
I am also picking up on a lot that he does not know.

He talks a lot but there is a lot of empty space between
the parts that have meaning. I don't trust him but more
importantly I don't have the patience for him.

I watched him make a very rich coconut yogurt with
almonds. He said he was making it for a client who was
transitioning from junk food. He got a some flak for
that.

DR says some awful things about him, but DR has something
bad to say about almost everyone.

I see him as more of a self-help guy than a diet guy and
I don't think he is particularly positive.

"He was indeed being critical when he made those remarks."

He wasn't criticizing, he was describing the actions of certain people who eat high-sugar diets. If you murder someone and I call you a murderer, am I being critical?

jtprindl, he was clearly expressing disapproval, which is being critical according to english dictionary I showed you.

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"DTM says:

All these cheap ass fruits

you can't listen to these people that are talking about 'eat a bunch of sugar'.

You cannot listen to them,

All these high-sugar people - look how crazy they are.

Look how negative they are.

Critical. Negative.

You don't need to go around and point out what everyone is doing wrong

"jtprindl, he was clearly expressing disapproval, which is being critical according to english dictionary I showed you."

This would be arguing semantics instead of understanding his position and being able to differentiate. Of course he expresses disapproval towards people who treat others like crap or promote diets that are dangerous for many - that is different than living your life consistently criticizing and judging other people for not being or eating like you, which is routinely seen from many on high-sugar diets. It's like raw food racism.

jtprindl, thanks for acknowledging NOW that he is indeed expressing disapproval

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jtprindl said earlier,

He wasn't criticizing, he was describing the actions of certain people

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Of course he expresses disapproval
> towards people who treat others like crap or
> promote diets that are dangerous for many

Thank you Panchito for emphasizing what I was trying to say.

Thank you as well Arugula.
He is an interesting figure.