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Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 01, 2015 04:51PM

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Previously, I explored how adding berries to our meals can actually blunt the detrimental effects high glycemic foods, but how many berries? The purpose was to determine the minimum level of blueberry consumption at which a consumer may realistically expect to receive antioxidant benefits after eating blueberries with a sugary breakfast cereal. If we eat a bowl of corn flakes with no berries, within two hours, so many free radicals are created it puts us into oxidative debt. The antioxidant power of our bloodstream drops below where we started from before breakfast as the antioxidants in our bodies get used up. And a quarter cup of blueberries didn’t seem to help much. But a half cup of blueberries did.

What about fruit for diabetics? Most guidelines recommend eating a diet with a high intake of fiber-rich food including fruit, because they’re so healthy—antioxidants, anti-inflammatory, improve artery function and reduce cancer risk, however some health professionals have concerns that the sugar content of fruit and therefore recommend restricting the fruit intake. OK, let’s put it to the test. Diabetics were randomized into two groups, one told to eat at least two pieces of fruit a day, and the other told at most, two fruits a day. The reduce fruit group reduced their fruit. It had however no effect on the control of their diabetes or weight, and so the intake of fruit should not be restricted in patients with type 2 diabetes.

An emerging literature has shown that low-dose fructose may actually benefit blood sugar control. So having a piece of fruit with each meal would be expected to lower, not raise the blood sugar response. The threshold for toxicity of fructose may be around 50 grams. The problem is that’s the current average adult fructose consumption. So the levels of half of all adults are likely above the threshold for fructose toxicity, and adolescents currently average 75.

Is that limit for added sugars or for all fructose? If we don’t want more than 50 and there’s about 10 in a piece of fruit, should we not eat more than 5 fruit a day? Quoting from the Harvard Health Letter, the nutritional problems of fructose and sugar come when they are added to foods. Fruit, on the other hand, is beneficial in almost any amount. What do they mean almost? Can we eat 10 fruit a day? How about twenty fruit a day? It’s actually been put to the test.

Seventeen people were made to eat 20 servings a day of fruit. Despite the extraordinarily high fructose content of this diet, presumably about 200 g/d—8 cans of soda worth, the investigators reported no adverse effects (and possible benefit actually) for body weight, blood pressure, and insulin and lipid levels after three to six months. More recently, Jenkins and colleagues put people on about a 20 servings of fruit a day diet for a few weeks and no adverse effects on weight or blood pressure or triglycerides and an astounding 38 point drop in LDL cholesterol.

There was one side effect, though. Given the 44 servings of vegetables they had on top of all that fruit, they recorded the largest bowl movements apparently ever documented in a dietary intervention.

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: April 01, 2015 05:05PM

>Jenkins and colleagues put people on about a 20 servings of fruit a day diet for a few weeks and no adverse effects

Few weeks only?

Unlimited fruits may not be good in the long run

If you are eating unlimited fruits you may have no room for some other foods.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2015 05:06PM by RawPracticalist.

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 01, 2015 05:13PM

unlimited != exclusive

notice the difference? Unlimited means high fruit, not only fruit. It brings down the fructose myth perpetrated by those like Dr Mercola. Mercola says to eat only 15 grams of fruit a day ja ja

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: April 01, 2015 06:23PM

How many blueberries to eat with corn flakes has nothing to do with a raw vegan diet Panchito but, yeah, if you are going to eat cardboard for breakfast eat some real food with it.

Dr. Fauxfacts is really stretching when he has to yank up studies from 43 years ago to support and spread his worldview.

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 01, 2015 07:10PM

SueZ Wrote:
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> Dr. Fauxfacts is really stretching when he has
> to yank up studies from 43 years ago to support
> and spread his worldview.

Are you suggesting that we evolved in 43 years and that the studies do not apply anymore? There is no incentive in making fruit look good as the profit margins are as low as it gets. People expectations are based on perceived value and price. A steak is supposedly better because it costs more and only the wealthy can afford it. It is no wonder that the cheapest foods are culturally perceived as the worst.

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Date: April 01, 2015 09:17PM

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> >Jenkins and colleagues put people on about a 20
> servings of fruit a day diet for a few weeks and
> no adverse effects
>
> Few weeks only?
>
> Unlimited fruits may not be good in the long run
>
> If you are eating unlimited fruits you may have no
> room for some other foods.

Exactly! I say to eat minimal fruit (often not fully ripe and not fresh) and focus on the higher quality foods out there. For me, fruit is bottom of the rung in the raw vegan diet in terms of building up the body. It is interesting how the low fat vegans always push the importance of so much fruit.

www.thesproutarian.com

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: April 02, 2015 12:36AM

TSM wrote:
"For me, fruit is bottom of the rung in the raw vegan diet"

Ya buddy, we need to cut down ALL fruit trees worldwide, and instead plant seed crops that won't grow more than a season like wheat, fenugreek, broccoli, and mung and then harvest those precious (weak) seeds and regrow them as sprouts leaving the land scalped and bare so that farmers have jobs running their tractors over the dirt year after year instead of building the soil with strong and diverse fruit trees and bushes especially when integrated into Permaculture Food Forests that shower down food year after year in abundance without replanting and enrich the soil each year by dropping leaves and mulch and providing shade to the ground and habitat for insects, animals and people...

Miracle Farms

"Twenty years ago, Stefan Sobkowiak bought a commercial apple orchard with the intention of converting it to an organic orchard. He did just that, but eventually understood the limitations of the organic model originating from monoculture. He then decided to tear out most of the trees and replant in a way that would maximize biodiversity and yield while minimizing the amount of maintenance required. Inspired by permaculture principles, the orchard now counts over 100 cultivars of apples, plus several types of plums, pears, cherries, and countless other fruits and vegetables."



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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Date: April 02, 2015 01:34AM

NuNativs Wrote:
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> TSM wrote:
> "For me, fruit is bottom of the rung in the raw
> vegan diet"
>
> Ya buddy, we need to cut down ALL fruit trees
> worldwide, and instead plant seed crops that won't
> grow more than a season like wheat, fenugreek,
> broccoli, and mung and then harvest those precious
> (weak) seeds and regrow them as sprouts leaving
> the land scalped and bare so that farmers have
> jobs running their tractors over the dirt year
> after year instead of building the soil with
> strong and diverse fruit trees and bushes
> especially when integrated into Permaculture Food
> Forests that shower down food year after year in
> abundance without replanting and enrich the soil
> each year by dropping leaves and mulch and
> providing shade to the ground and habitat for
> insects, animals and people...


In this low level world, such thinking is pure delusion. Why? because the majority of people will not follow a sprouted diet, so the problems you describe will never occur.

In a higher level world l don't see the need to sprout seeds and can see fruitarian diets being managable and closer to truth.

NuNativs: it is all relative as l see it. Seeing things in black and white will simply not do if we wish to excape the delusions the mind creates by such limited thinking.

www.thesproutarian.com

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Re: Unlimited fruit is good - Dr M. Greger
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: April 02, 2015 03:32AM

TSM tried to claim superiority with:
"such limited thinking."

Did you watch the video? I did not witness anything "limited" in the message, yet rather unlimited is more like it. More food with less work, more fertility, more animals, more insects, more bees, less labor, more ABUNDANCE FOR ALL.

Any diet needs to put into the landscape to test it's "truth". What you see in the video is that fruit based Permaculture Food Production, is a Win Win Win for organisms across the board.

It's OUR future, prevented only by OUR "limited thinking" and "limited acting". Every diet "plan" needs to be multiplied times 7,000,000,000+ people to see where it leads, whether it be Paleo, raw till 4 or sproutarian.

(Let'US get busy...)

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