Now you're talking Hello Kitty. Reducing fruit is a VERY bad idea. Fruit is the perfect food.

It's a known fact that fruit is in no way selected towards higher sugar and never has been. Otherwise how come we have sour fruit and how come sweet-tasting fruit has no higher sugar content???

And why the hell would vegetables be exempt from it if fruit aren't? They aren't, it's a joke.

It's just a deranged madness by sugar-hating fools to think fruit has higher sugar now. It does not. It has been artificially selected towards HEALTHIER FRUIT and MORE NUTRITIOUS FRUIT.

What a human wants is the best thing for it apart from after you cook it. Once you cook it it's no longer edible. It's an incredibly simple fact.

Hellokitty Wrote:
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> think it might be hard trying to combine a high
> intake of fruit with cooked grains, as if fruit
> goes into the body while it's still trying to
> digest cooked grains, the fruit, that digests
> quickly, will get held up - cue fermentation, and
> gas!
>
>
>
> I find it really bad to combind cooked grains and
> fruit. this gives me instant IBS symptoms. I find
> fruit on its own is better. Even if i eat salad
> then fruit i get a bad stomach. Today I at sweet
> fruits all day and salad in the evening. Its much
> better for digestion


How you feel is really the bottom line. I know from family experience that some fruits can be a problem for people who eat cooked food and are diabetic. The sugar from some fruits can drive the blood sugar sky high. But for a raw food practitioner, their glycemic load will be much lower to start from.

"Today my diet consisted of 12 bananas, 1 whole melon, 1 box of strawberries. And a hand full of blueberries"

that's a lot of fruit but looks pretty healthy, esp if the melon was cantalope. 12 bananas? k.

Kref

Krefcenz Wrote:
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> Hellokitty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > think it might be hard trying to combine a high
> > intake of fruit with cooked grains, as if fruit
> > goes into the body while it's still trying to
> > digest cooked grains, the fruit, that digests
> > quickly, will get held up - cue fermentation,
> and
> > gas!
> >
> >
> >
> > I find it really bad to combind cooked grains
> and
> > fruit. this gives me instant IBS symptoms. I
> find
> > fruit on its own is better. Even if i eat salad
> > then fruit i get a bad stomach. Today I at
> sweet
> > fruits all day and salad in the evening. Its
> much
> > better for digestion
>
>
> How you feel is really the bottom line. I know
> from family experience that some fruits can be a
> problem for people who eat cooked food and are
> diabetic. The sugar from some fruits can drive
> the blood sugar sky high. But for a raw food
> practitioner, their glycemic load will be much
> lower to start from.
>
> "Today my diet consisted of 12 bananas, 1 whole
> melon, 1 box of strawberries. And a hand full of
> blueberries"
>
> that's a lot of fruit but looks pretty healthy,
> esp if the melon was cantalope. 12 bananas? k.
>
>
> Kref


Everything I've read so far says to not combine anything with fresh fruit, but that fresh fruit only stays in the stomach for about 30 minutes, so you can eat some fruit, wait 30 minutes or so and then eat your greens or whatever.

As long as you eat fruit first. I find that i can have a salad then 3 hours later some more fruit. Im fine with that just as long as I keep a distance.

Im really not sure about my personal opinion on greens vs fruit. I watched a documentary on gorillas in an environment where there was very little fruit, They compensated by just eating greens, but they ate and ate all day. They also got carbohydrate from ripping the bark from trees and eating the saps. Greens alone I don’t think are enough carbohydrate for humans, we need the carbohydrate from fruit. We could survive on very little fruit though- like these Gorillas, but as a 100% vegan you do need the fruit, unless we can buy tree bark with the sap on it. Bryan your right about that.

How ever Paul mentioned buckwheat groats- I don’t know the carbohydrate amount in those.

what about sprouted grains and legumes? Do those make the problem worse, better or no difference?

edit, one ounce of buckwheat groats uncooked has 97 calories and 21 grams of carbs. A cup, uncooked has 123 grams of carbs and 567 calories, pretty packed. Presumably sprouted would be less.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2009 04:29PM by pborst.

Hi pborst,

Thanks for the info on groats, These do not make my problem wrose, however Im not sure how to produce buckwheat groats, Ive never seen them in the UK Health stores. Do you have info on them.

I eat sprouted lentals and chickpeas

Hellokitty Wrote:
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> Hi pborst,
>
> Thanks for the info on groats, These do not make
> my problem wrose, however Im not sure how to
> produce buckwheat groats, Ive never seen them in
> the UK Health stores. Do you have info on them.
>
> I eat sprouted lentals and chickpeas

You can order them online. [www.sproutpeople.com] or amazon.
They are quite helpful for lowering bloodpressure [www.examiner.com] are what Brendan Brazier (a vegan triathelete) refers to as a pseudograin. Like amaranth and quinoa, it's a seed from a fruit or other plant rather than grass. It has low gluten and is therefore is very good for people with food sensitivities.

I tend to think legumes and grains are a last resort. They are so much harder to digest (thus you get less energy from them) than fruit. Try fruit first.

Hellokitty Wrote:
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> I eat sprouted lentals and chickpeas


HOW do you eat sprouted chickpeas and not Die of gas afterwards?! ay yi yi, fruit and greens together gives you IBS but not that? that would kill me. i'd be power farting for Days! (sorry tmi, but true!)

I dont ever eat the chick peas with fruit. I only eat them with salad, like at the end of the day. They dont bother me, but saying that Ive been eating them for weeks and last night i did have intergestion. Again its back to sweet fruits all day to day. I think for me I would have a hard time giving up my fruit. I had real problems when I was doing the blended salads. blended salads seemed to get rid of my blood and mucus but they mand it so it was really painful going to the loo. I wont blend salads again. Maybe just drink smoothies

My digestion & elimination seems to be the best when I choose to eat fruits and green juices.

HelloKitty,

Thanks for the warning on blended salads. I'd been advised to try that and had stayed away in favor just eating it whole. Maybe we do more chewing with something not blended? Have hear Cherre Soria of "Raw Food Revolution" and others talk about chewing when taking a smoothy. It's helped.

Paul

PM Sent

Hi paul-

didn't want to turn you off the blended salads. They were hard on my system but it doesnt mean they don't work. It was just in Paul Nisons book and it worked for him. for me my system just didn't take to it. They just made me constipated, but they did get rid of the symptoms of UC thats why I kept chasing the raw food way of life.

pborst Wrote:
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> HelloKitty,
>
> Thanks for the warning on blended salads. I'd
> been advised to try that and had stayed away in
> favor just eating it whole. Maybe we do more
> chewing with something not blended? Have hear
> Cherre Soria of "Raw Food Revolution" and others
> talk about chewing when taking a smoothy. It's
> helped.
>
> Paul