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How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: April 05, 2020 02:12PM

And the following doesn't even get into the contagious question
That has also not been shown anywhere by anybody.
In fact i posted study showing not contagious.

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1. Satisfy kochs postulates
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Has NOT been done.

Infectious nature of alleged virus unproven

What does NOT QUALIFY AS evidence of infection?

. Oriental medicine tests
. Symptoms
. PCR test
. Any other lab tests
. Wild guesses
. People dying
. Govt shutdown
. Pronouncements from CDC
Etc

Unless they are shown to be scientifically sound
And they have not

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: suncloud ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:15AM

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fresh
And the following doesn't even get into the contagious question

...Begin
1. Satisfy kochs postulates
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Has NOT been done.

Infectious nature of alleged virus unproven...

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So Fresh, nice that you find these postulates credible, since their purpose was to provide criteria for establishing a causative relationship between a microbe and a disease.

Koch's postulates (formulated in 1890) are as follows

-The bacteria must be present in every case of the disease.

-The bacteria must be isolated from the host with the disease and grown in pure culture.

-The specific disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the bacteria is inoculated into a healthy susceptible host.

-The bacteria must be recoverable from the experimentally infected host.

Please note that all these postulates refer to a bacteria, not a virus. A virus is not a bacteria, and a bacteria is not a virus.

Also, from Wikipedia (in blue, including references): "Koch abandoned the universalist requirement of the first postulate altogether when he discovered asymptomatic carriers of cholera[4] and, later, of typhoid fever. Asymptomatic or subclinical infection carriers are now known to be a common feature of many infectious diseases, especially viral diseases such as polio, herpes simplex, HIV/AIDS, and hepatitis C. ("asymptomatic" means no symptoms)

The third postulate specifies "should", not "must", because as Koch himself proved in regard to both tuberculosis and cholera,[6] not all organisms exposed to an infectious agent will acquire the infection. Noninfection may be due to such factors as general health and proper immune functioning; acquired immunity from previous exposure or vaccination; or genetic immunity, as with the resistance to malaria conferred by possessing at least one sickle cell allele.

There are a few other exceptions to Koch's postulates. A single pathogen can cause several disease conditions. Additionally, a single disease condition can be caused by several different microorganisms. Some pathogens cannot be cultured in the lab, and some pathogens only cause disease in humans.[7]

In summary, an infectious agent that satisfies Koch's postulates can be concluded to cause disease, but due to the postulates' shortcomings they are not strictly necessary for this conclusion."


So Koch himself, to his credit as a worthy scientist/researcher and a high-character individual, was able to abandon his original postulates as the science of the day developed.




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2020 05:21AM by suncloud.

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:16AM

fresh you useful idiot....

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:21AM

doesn't matter bacteria or virus, my cerebellum challenged idiots

either needs to satisfy the postulates

and they do not.

nice try .

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: suncloud ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:27AM

Really, why? What is this need? And who specifically needs it?

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:50AM

To prove infectious/contagious

Seriously???

Give me a break will you?

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: suncloud ()
Date: April 06, 2020 06:13AM

So there is need for those specific Koch postulates (from 1890, and rejected by Koch himself) to be used for proving infection/contagion? That's what I was referring to.

Again, why? What is the need, and who specifically needs it?



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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: April 06, 2020 01:22PM

I already answered you

You are apparently unable to understand

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Re: How to prove covid19 is infectious
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: April 06, 2020 02:29PM

fresh your mental superiority is staggering.
Yet you only cast a shadow up to John Roses knee at best.
Perhaps if you spent a little more time mastering the ART of using Bold, Red letters and bigger fonts.
Spend this quarantine time, coming up with an even bigger file collection than Rose.
Go inward and invent a 12,462 piece puzzle that will dazzle the puny minds of your followers.
I believe in you...

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