P.S., it's not biggie that you're not a vegan. It's just on *this* forum, posts must respect and adhere to the lifestyle. I.e., attempting to counter pro-vegan arguments isn't allowed, no matter how "right" you feel you are and thinking that you might be helping someone.

Thanks geo and flipper!

And thank you too cherimoya. I thought that was a very nice post.

I also agree with Tamukha, that the diet described by Cherimoya is not 80-10-10. But IMO the most important point here - which I think Tamukha and Cherimoya and others have all made very clearly - is that the strictest regimen isn't necessarily the diet that will make us all healthy and happy. Of course it's all relative, but if we're consistently unable to follow a program successfully, then like Tamukha said, we may just require a tweak here or there. Sometimes, we may require more than a tweak if we have special issues or whatever. But we don't have to try to make ourselves squeeze into a someone else's mold. We're all different.

(This is what I really like about this forum. I feel like people here are independent thinkers. We are an eclectic bunch! I like that!)

I think one problem I've had with raw food is that the immediate benefits appeared to be so miraculous, that I started thinking anything was possible. So I went for the gold, the most extreme. Then when I found out I couldn't live up to my ideal, I felt like a failure and just kept trying over and over again. Definitely, the definition of insanity!

I think it's really helpful when people come out and say hey, I couldn't do that and it's OK, and now I feel better; because then other people might feel more comfortable with trying something a little different.

It's my hope that people won't eat the unmentionable, because I think that's never necessary. But the unmentionable may appear to be more attractive if we aren't willing to cut ourselves and our raw food friends some slack!

Hear, hear suncloud. It's just great to hear of other's experience that just maybe work for us, but then again, it's ok if it doesn't.

Well put, suncloud!

All quiet on the western front must mean cherimoya_kid has gone back to battling trolls at his own site . . . .

Durianrider always bangs on about the snake oil salesman but Harley is one of the biggest huxsters in the raw movement. He charges 1750$ dollars for "mentoring" which is upsurd considering he has no formal qualifications and knows very little about nutrition from the videos i have watched.

Durianrider always bangs on about the snake oil salesman but Harley is one of the biggest huxsters in the raw movement. He charges 1750$ dollars for "mentoring" which is upsurd considering he has no formal qualifications and knows very little about nutrition from the videos I have seen anyway.

do you think if you are not in his 'target market range' that is is part of why he bans?

life vs lifelessness

Cherimoya,

If you stop eating those poor animals, the trolling will stop.

cherimoya_kid Wrote:
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> My experience with 8/1/1 is simple. The diet was
> slowly causing more and more fear and social
> anxiety, but it wasn't until I started eating
> mostly just apples and pears (and basically
> nothing else) that my teeth starting becoming
> ridiculously sensitive. I started eating spinach
> to counteract this, and it worked, but it didn't
> stop the TREMENDOUS social anxiety. It was
> crippling. I couldn't function, I couldn't work,
> I could barely be around anyone at all.
>
> The longer-term 8/1/1-ers know that you can't get
> by on cold-weather fruits, particularly the watery
> ones, for very long at all. You have to eat
> mostly tropical, non-water fruits like durian and
> banana to make it work. And guess what? You're
> still starving your brain of fat, and slowly,
> slowly creating semi-permanent or permanent
> neurological damage.
>
> I was actually lucky--I could have limped along
> for months or years on 8/1/1, but the apples/pears
> diet cured me of it.
>
> I didn't even quit that diet because it wasn't
> working--I actually just happened to go back to
> Costa Rica for 3 months, and lived on coconuts and
> mangoes there. I observed how good the coconuts
> were for my teeth. The mangoes eroded them, and
> the coconuts built them back up, every day.
> Mangoes for breakfast, coconuts for lunch.
>
> After that, I realized that fat was far more
> important that Dr. Graham says. A few months
> later, I read Dr Price's book and discovered that
> the tribes that ate the most fat generally had the
> best teeth.
>
> I made the connection between the extra cavities
> and crooked teeth that the heavy-carb-eating
> tribes had, and the tooth problems that most
> fruitarians have, and I realized that something
> was deeply wrong.
>
> Teeth matter. A diet that doesn't support them
> isn't a smart/safe one...in my view.

Yes, l am not surprised you had trouble with such a deficient diet. lt makes me wonder if the long termers of such a diet are really doing what they are saying.

As you say, one of the problems is that the diet is low in fatty acids. But the main problem with such a diet is that much of the food people eat is not picked straight from the tree, so it is not fresh and lacks significant nutrition and electromagnetic vibration (chi) in the food.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2012 05:44PM by The Sproutarian Man.