Hi all my good friends,

Well, I'm back from the ordeal, and healing well. I went into theatre mid morning on Wednesday the 4th July, and was out early avo. I hope that those of you in the US raised an extra toast (smoothy) for me while you celebrated your day of Independence!

The first 18hrs were the worst, with that nasty anaesthetic flowing around my circulatory system. However, it was eliminated quickly and I was feeling much better by the end of the first day.

The Physio's said I could be discharged on Saturday, day three, and they said that they have never seen anyone recover so rapidly before. Of course, I used the opportunity to relate that my raw vegan diet, my pilates exercise regime and positive attitude was the reason. I don't think that they believed me re diet, but my progress was proof regardless. Really though, I've surprised myself by my quick recovery.

Even though I could've been home on Saturday, they kept me in hospital until Monday cause the wound was still seeping abit, and they didn't want the prospect of infection, which they said would be quite severe.

Monday avo, once home, I actually walked, with the aid of two canes, around the block and up 28 steps to my beachfront unit. I took it very slowly and stopped frequently, and yesterday I doubled the length of my walk.

I gotta say, that it's times like these that our diet is really tested.

What???? I don't know what happened there, but it seems that my message somehow decided all by itself that I'd said enough hahah lol.

Anyway, what I was trying to say, is that it's times like this that out diet is really tested, such as whether we are actually getting enough nutrients etc. My rapid healing and recovery is proof that it is.

I feel like, and I really have, begun another new chapter of my life, and I'm going to use it well... It's great to be back.

Cheers, jalan xxx

Great testimony!!!

It's good to see you survived the anesthetics.

Peace and Love..........John





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Hey thx John, and yes, the anaesthetics are pretty savage. I felt like death for the first 12hours....ugg!@%#

I'm glad your recovery is going great. It's good to see you reaping the benefits of your healthy lifestyle.
You are a shining example of why it's good to eat raw and exercise. Thank you.
Wishing you the very best.

Yes, there's a link between Anesthetics and Alzheimer's -

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[psychcentral.com]

[www.sciencedaily.com]

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[medicalxpress.com]

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Glad your surgery went without complications, jalanutan, and that you are healing up quickly. Get well soon!

Jalanutan, get some rest and heal yourself up!

welcome back Jalanutan glad you are recovering nicely

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

Thank you all so much for your best wishes and encouragement

Kidraw, those links you posted suggest some pretty scary stuff, with the further link to cognitive disfunction post-surgery. And it's something that we all should consider when all else fails and we opt for the knife.

You all were so supportive in making sure that I had all the relevent info regarding the pros and cons before I made the decision.

I think it was the second link that suggested that anaesthetic taken intavenously was less detrimental than taken through the lungs. I had read a medical article about this prior to my op, and made sure that I had the intravenous method.

If it's true that I might be slightly cognitively impaired due to the anaesthetic, then my return to uni next semester will tell all, I should imagine. If my grades fall, then it's possible that the studies could be true to some degree. However, there are so many 'extraneous variables' that could effect the outcome, that a critical view must still be taken.

Barring any permanent cognitive damage that may have been done, does anyone know approximately how long I could be effected by the anaesthetic??? I do know that the worst is over and out of the body in a week or two, though I expect a residual effect for much longer!!!

Cheers, jalan

jalanutan,

I suggest you stop worrying about the anesthetic. You are studying medicine, and you thoroughly researched this procedure; I assume this included what anesthetics they'd be using, and their residual effects. You were prepared for this, and worrying about it after the fact is a waste of energy, energy your body needs for repair work. Please try to be positive and hopeful about your body's ability to recover in all respects. Just think, you will be a more perfect jalanutan altogether in a short while!

I would like to know what kind of surgery, I have not been around for a bit?

Yes, you're right Tam hahaha you caught me out, I'm not worried, just wanted a chat

Rzman,

Total hip replacement with a ceramic femoral head and ceramic acetabulum. The surgeon said that the damaged joint doesn't get any worse. I'd been walking with bone on bone for so long that the acetabular cup had worn shallow and the femoral head (ball) wasn't round anymore. the surgeon had to reem in another cup, and use screws to make sure it wouldn't work loose before the bone grew into the acetabular cup liner.

Cheers, jalan

Hey, I have the dressing changed and the sutures removed on my 20cm long cut tomorrow, two weeks from the op. So, I'm interested in how much the wound has healed. The reason it's significant is due to the argument that a raw vegan does not get enough 'PROTEIN' in their diet....

This will be telling I should imagine,

Cheers, jalan

I do not in any way mean to sound flippant about this as I know it was of great concern to you BUT I have to say that I'm in no way at all worried about your recovery. I just know you're going to be absolutely fine, I feel it in my bones, lol. This will bring you such relief from ongoing pain, I anticipate a greater mobility and activity level for you, to the point of completely forgetting things were ever less than comfortable and natural. Your positive state of mind and the care you give your body will see you through with phenomenal results.
Keep us updated, will you?

how come everybuddy knows what went on except me?

what was the operation for?

i tried doing a search but i flopped

maybe everyone else is psychic

either i better catch up or maybe somebuddy could tell me

La-Veronique, check out the bottom of page four under the title 'Total Hip Replacement' by Geo (my previous pseudonym).

Thx Coco girl, and I will. In fact, I had the 'staples' removed last Wednesday and I've just got to tell you all what happened.

I had thought the 25cm long wound (longer than I had thought) was held together by sutures, but no, one staple each 5 millimetre. Anyway, the nurse had removed them and my Doc came in to check out the result.

I asked if it had healed well, since it was two weeks from the op, and my Doc said, 'Yes, very good'. Then I said, 'Not bad since I'm a vegan, and don't eat any animal products'.

They both just stood there with looks of disbelief. Then my Doc said, 'You must eat lots of soya beans'. I said, 'Well, I don't eat any soya beans, only lentils sometimes. But I do eat plenty of fresh/dried fruit, and mostly raw veg'. The nurse didn't say anything, and my Doc just passed it off and said, 'Well, you've done very well', and said I could get dressed etc.

I don't think they believed me, but I love the different facial expressions when people are faced with something totally out of their normal range of experience. Aren't I naughty LOL

Oh, it's been less than 2 1/2 weeks since the op, and I can now (since yesterday 20th) walk without any sticks for a short time, and without very much discomfort. I was just going about normal activities around my unit, when it dawned on me that I wasn't using any walking sticks

Of course, I still use both sticks when I go out on the town haha, and also go without them only for a short time in my unit, cause I don't want to over do it and injure myself.

Cheers, jalan

jalanutan Wrote:
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> I asked if it had healed well, since it was two
> weeks from the op, and my Doc said, 'Yes, very
> good'. Then I said, 'Not bad since I'm a vegan,
> and don't eat any animal products'.


What is it in the animal products that affects the healing of wounds?


That the doctor asked you about soy beans makes me think its protein, but if so it's strange why would they look at you in disbelief, I mean it is pretty well-known by now and medically proven that vegan diet is just as nutritionally adequate as omni diet, so being vegan is not extraordinary anymore, why would they be surprised because of that.

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<



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chat,

I always try to remember that medical scool curriculam typically involves little to no nutrition training, so these people can't be expected to know this stuff.[sigh]

I thought I was sort of general public knowledge accepted on all levels by now: [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Sure there are still plenty of dumb public around it's just personally I haven't experienced many looks of "surprise" from anyone more or less intelligent public. Restaurants, supermarkets, local stores etc are full of vegetarian/vegan products, it's sort of the norm already, i mean nothing extraordinary about this.

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<

Bit off-topic but funny, in uk nandos chain of restaurants they have this on the menu: "we are very vegetarian friendly, all our chickens are 100% vegetarians!"

That's the thing, even the most non-vegetarian places can't escape being aware of vegetarians, hence I thought it is the norm and not something to do with having a nutritional training in medical school.

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<



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Hi Chat, I don't know where you live, but are you sure it's present day earth??? I really hope that the 'GENERAL PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ACCEPTED BY ALL LEVELS' regarding the adequacy of a vegan diet for the healing of body tissue you speak of, actually becomes the reality in the future.

And you said it yourself, that most restaurants cater for 'vegatarians'. However, if you stop anyone in the street, and ask them what is lacking in a vegetarian diet, I bet 9 out of 10 say 'protein'. The same for vegan or worse, and that's assuming that they actually know what vegan is or what it means.

I understand why you're asking this though, since I'd guess that your circle of friends and aquaintances are more diet conscious. Also, since the advent of the internet, we're connected with like minded people from all over the world. This would make the acceptance of veganism it seem much more prevelent.

However, the meat, dairy and grain industries will not reliquish their hold over the human mind. Particularly when our food and cooking surrounds ALL important socially occasions, such as WEDDINGS, BIRTHDAYS and even highly religious occasions as CHRISTMAS for the Christians etc.

But can't we have something similar with raw vegies you ask??? Well, yes, but then we have to consider our economy, which is so reliant on the above industries for our economic growth.

WOW, WE HAVE STRAYED FROM THE TOPIC HAVEN'T WE!!! But how good is it......

Cheers, jalan

I live in UK and pretty much in present - the reference above was US/Canadian though as I thought it would be more relevant on this forum, and it's from 2003 which is almost 10 years ago Of course there are still and there will always be dumb public around, dumb in the sense of when something is the norm for themselves they assume it cannot but be the norm for all other people. What I meant by the adequacy of vegetarian/vegan diet being public knowledge accepted at all levels by now, is that you can find the evidence of this not only on health boards or in specialised nutritional schools, but in many aspects of our daily life:manufacturers, restaurants, shops, airplanes, and even government sources of acknowledgement are abound. And the latter are usually quite slow on the uptake of new things as we know, but that's why I quoted that article it just doesn't seem new anymore and it's accepted

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<



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I agree that the evidence is out there and available for anyone to access if they want. But that's the trouble, they don't want, and prefer to beleive in the general consensus that humans need animal products for protein.

Also, I think that you'll find that the 'general consensus' is that humans need meat, dairy products and/or eggs to gain enough protein to reach their RDA. The main thrust of the article you cited was for vegetarian diets that exclude, and I quote, 'meat, including fish and fowl', yet vegan diets were not defined (at least in the abstract). And that may help explain why I had to tell the hospital staff that there is no cheese in a vegan diet...true.

There has been some controversy regarding the definition of what constitutes a vegan on this forum lately. For me, it means absolutely no animal food products. For some, the definition goes further to include all animal products, such as leather clothing etc.

Anyway, perhaps I should print out a couple of articles for my Doc to read, as it appears that he isn't up to date as Tam suggested.

Cheers, jalan

Sorry I actually paid attention to this line as well: "A vegetarian, including vegan, diet can meet current recommendations for all of these nutrients." Which suggests that they are aware of the differences between vegetarian and vegan, and accept vegan as nutritionally adequate nonetheless (clothing might be a bit irrelevant as it's not about nutrition).

Definitely show it to your doc, would be interesting to know his reasons for being surprised that someone is a vegan and not dead, figuratively speaking of course

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<

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Re: Protein
Posted by: chat
Date: June 02, 2012 03:20AM
This is the problem for vegans because there are very few foods which are the source of complete protein, most of the time you have to combine different foods in order to get all amino acids in right proportions. By contrast non-vegans can just eat a piece of meat and they are good to go.
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Re: OPERATION
Posted by: chat
Date: July 21, 2012 09:24AM
I mean it is pretty well-known by now and medically proven that vegan diet is just as nutritionally adequate as omni diet, so being vegan is not extraordinary anymore, why would they be surprised because of that.
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The nutter is back (jalan, sorry about your thread)

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<

John was just making a point chat, and is definately not a 'nutter' if that is what you were suggesting. If not, then I apopogise. I believe the point being that what you've said in a previous thread entitled 'Protein' is what we could all say, including you, is more of a 'common knowledge' than that a vegan is protein saturated, and that's the argument regarding 'complete protein'. Thx John, and I don't think I really need to explain it any further.

I don't think my Doc was surprised that I was still alive lol, but that I've healed so well, so soon. Anyway, I'll definately ask him next time, cause now I'm really curious. So, rather than being sorry re my thread, thx chat for making it such a critique, and I'll keep you all posted as to what he says. Should be interesting

Cheers, jalan

Yeah, definitely keep us posted

What I said in the other thread was in reply to OP who asked for information about protein in a raw (presumably vegan) diet. I said that most important thing about protein is that it must be complete and balanced, which means that one needs to be getting all essential amino acids in balanced proportions. And that this task is more of a problem for vegans rather than omni-eaters, because there are very few sources of complete and balanced plant protein, by contrast to many sources of complete and balanced animal protein.

Which so far as i can see did not contradict anything I said in this thread, for it did not deny the possibility of achieving complete and balanced protein on a vegan diet, nor did it deny that this possibility is a common knowledge (unless of course you are complaining of me supplying the OP with information that is a common knowledge)


So yeah, John is a nutter and that's precicely what I meant, so don't be sorry jalan I was rather sorry that your thread went south, with John's obsessive disorder which this thread didn't deserve in the first place.

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<



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