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Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
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jtprindl
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Date: July 12, 2014 09:26PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > ah, now I see you are loweing the level of the > myth claim. Thats good enough for me. I am not t > rying to convince you all the way. I feel I > already presented my case. So have a good day. I > have other things to do 
Um, it is a myth considering it's not proven. The kidneys and lungs keep the body alkalized, not leeching calcium from the bones. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2014 09:29PM by jtprindl. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
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Panchito
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Date: July 12, 2014 09:30PM oh oh. It is just how the body works. I've put down the process and links to studies (last link) that correlate high animal protein diets with osteoporosis. So you have the process and the results. Thats far from being a "myth" Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: July 12, 2014 09:39PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > jtprindl Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > there is zero evidence of this. The calcium > > in urine is not from the bones. > > je je. Looks like you are now in the famous denial > mode. The first pee maybe not from the bones. But > the internal regulation will raise the Ca levels > by "leaching" it from the bones through the PTH > hormone. It is an indirect process. > > [pcrm.org] > d-reversing-osteoporosis > > Animal protein tends to leach calcium from the > bones, leading to its excretion in the urine. > Animal proteins are high in sulfur-containing > amino acids, especially cystine and methionine. > Sulfur is converted to sulfate, which tends to > acidify the blood. During the process of > neutralizing this acid, bone dissolves into the > bloodstream and filters through the kidneys into > the urine. Meats and eggs contain two to five > times more of these sulfur-containing amino acids > than are found in plant foods.3 > > International comparisons show a strong positive > relationship between animal protein intake and > fracture rates. Such comparisons generally do not > take other lifestyle factors, such as exercise, > into account. Nonetheless, their findings are > supported by clinical studies showing that high > protein intakes aggravate calcium losses. A 1994 > report in the American Journal of Clinical > Nutrition showed that when animal proteins were > eliminated from the diet, calcium losses were cut > in half.4 Patients can easily get adequate protein > from grains, beans, vegetables, and fruits. For those who don't know - Panchito's link goes straight to the professional fundraising arm of the little Neal Barnard empire. Lol. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
Anon 102
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Date: July 12, 2014 09:48PM I just had a mad, mega, rabid dose of copper via fruits and I'm looking to bite someone's head off.. .
Where's jtprindl? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2014 09:48PM by Anon 102. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
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Panchito
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Date: July 12, 2014 09:49PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > For those who don't know - Panchito's link goes > straight to the professional fundraising arm of > the little Neal Barnard empire. Lol. lol. let me know if Tavis ever shows up with any reference. I am sure you've seen the graphs of countries /osteoporosis in google. Looky here the references of the link I mentioned:
Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: July 12, 2014 10:07PM "I've put down the process and links to studies (last link) that correlate high animal protein diets with osteoporosis. So you have the process and the results. Thats far from being a "myth""
This argument isn't about high animal protein diets and osteoporosis, it's about the acidity of foods leeching calcium from the bones, which you have demonstrated zero evidence for. It wouldn't surprise me if high animal protein diets can eventually lead to acidosis due to damaging the kidneys (which regulate pH), but it's NOT because of the acidity of the food. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
The Sproutarian Man
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Date: July 12, 2014 10:28PM Anon 102 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I just had a mad, mega, rabid dose of copper via > fruits and I'm looking to bite someone's head > off.. . tss tss, that will do the trick.  Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: July 12, 2014 10:31PM high animal food = acidifying food
you must be new. you confuse the ph of food with an acidic diet (sulfur animal protein - acid forming food). Those two are different. Show me where you got your info (you = an acidifying diet is from low ph food) jtprindl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This argument isn't about high animal protein > diets and osteoporosis, it's about the acidity of > foods leeching calcium from the bones, which you > have demonstrated zero evidence for. It wouldn't > surprise me if high animal protein diets can > eventually lead to acidosis due to damaging the > kidneys (which regulate pH), but it's NOT because > of the acidity of the food. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2014 10:32PM by Panchito. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: July 12, 2014 10:34PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > "I've put down the process and links to studies > (last link) that correlate high animal protein > diets with osteoporosis. So you have the process > and the results. Thats far from being a "myth"" > > This argument isn't about high animal protein > diets and osteoporosis, it's about the acidity of > foods leeching calcium from the bones, which you > have demonstrated zero evidence for. It wouldn't > surprise me if high animal protein diets can > eventually lead to acidosis due to damaging the > kidneys (which regulate pH), but it's NOT because > of the acidity of the food. Panchito seems to be so wowed by other's lists of cut and paste studies that it doesn't matter what they are about or where they came from. Maybe he thinks that's how everyone is. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
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Panchito
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Date: July 12, 2014 10:39PM dealing with the three musketeers (sproutarians, oil drinkers, and the mental wool ball) is very time consuming. I have to take shortcuts and I don't have time to write detail stuff. I should stop doing this. It is wasting my time. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: July 12, 2014 10:47PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > dealing with the three musketeers (sproutarians, > oil drinkers, and the mental wool ball) is very > time consuming. I have to take shortcuts and I > don't have time to write detail stuff. I should > stop doing this. It is wasting my time. You post unread lists of studies you don't understand because you need to take shortcuts? Yes you should stop doing that. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: July 12, 2014 11:01PM "high animal food = acidifying food
you must be new. you confuse the ph of food with an acidic diet (sulfur animal protein - acid forming food). Those two are different. Show me where you got your info (you = an acidifying diet is from low ph food)" You do realize that your argument is that since animal foods are acidic, the body leeches calcium from the bones in order to maintain proper pH, right? That's what acidosis is, when your blood pH is too acidic. Food has NO EFFECT on the pH of our blood UNLESS our kidneys or lungs are not functioning properly. You have zero studies to back up what you are claiming, all studies regarding calcium being excreted through urine is dietary calcium, not from bones. And I never said an acidifying diet is from low pH food. "I have to take shortcuts and I don't have time to write detail stuff." It's because much of the time you have no idea what you're talking about or lack thorough understanding, so you copy and paste things written from others that support your views. You constantly engage in confirmation bias and it was easily seen again today when you posted a study that contradicted yourself without realizing it and then removed it and ignored it. You're stuck in the basic raw food/vegan dogma that doesn't have any clinical evidence. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: July 12, 2014 11:14PM hey jtprindl, don't ask me anything anymore. keep your rolling drum to yourself. THANK YOU Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: July 12, 2014 11:22PM "hey jtprindl, don't ask me anything anymore."
I'm always going to ask you or anyone else to back up their claims. There's no shame in not being able to, just don't act like your beliefs are fact when it clearly goes against the science and our body's natural ways of regulating blood pH. We don't need to draw calcium from the bones in order to stay alkaline because that job belongs to our kidneys and lungs. Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: July 12, 2014 11:35PM Thanks for the lesson and this is my last bye!
lesson for me: don't waist time with fools. they'll make you look in books, write stuff, and after that, it is all waste. je je Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
Prana
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Date: May 03, 2015 09:36PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > More on the alkaline water mythos concocted by > water machine salesmen and manufacturers used to > pull the wool over sheep's eyes while fleecing > them of their $$'s. This could only have occured > because so few people, like Panchito apparently, > decided Biology 101 was worth the time to take in > college. IMO. > > > [www.youtube.com] People ought to check out this excellent video on the problems of drinking alkaline water.  Re: dangers of ketogenic diets (very high fat diets)
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: May 10, 2015 03:47PM Prana Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > SueZ Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > More on the alkaline water mythos concocted by > > water machine salesmen and manufacturers used > to > > pull the wool over sheep's eyes while fleecing > > them of their $$'s. This could only have > occured > > because so few people, like Panchito > apparently, > > decided Biology 101 was worth the time to take > in > > college. IMO. > > > > > > [www.youtube.com] > > People ought to check out this excellent video on > the problems of drinking alkaline water. Yes. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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