The first article that I’ve posted below does Not pertain to humans, but since there is virtually no activity in that Forum, I’m posting it here plus it does seem to serve their Agenda, which is to keep the public IGNORANT about Food & Drugs!

[healthypets.mercola.com]

Story at-a-glance
• The FDA is the latest organization to issue an absurd warning to pet owners to avoid the “dangers” of raw pet food. The basis for the warning is a two-year “study” the agency conducted of 1,000 samples of pet food to check for bacteria that causes foodborne illness.
• According to the FDA’s study results, the only pet foods that tested positive for salmonella and Listeria monocytogenes were commercial raw pet foods. Incredibly, the FDA expects us to believe that during the two-year period between July 2010 and July 2012, only one out of 860 processed pet food samples tested positive for bacteria.
• A quick glance at the FDA’s own website shows dozens of processed pet food recalls during the same two-year period, yet the FDA’s sampling turned up only one incidence of bacterial contamination.
• Like the AVMA, the AAHA and other organizations that have taken a public stand against raw pet food diets, the FDA is sadly misinformed about the types of raw food currently on the market. Many raw pet diets these days have been treated with high-pressure pasteurization (HPP), rendering them sterile. For organizations or pet owners who don’t understand the benefits of raw diets but still want to promote unprocessed food, sterile raw foods provide superior nutritional benefits to entirely processed diets.
• The anti-raw movement also conveniently overlooks the fact that pet owners have been feeding raw diets to their dogs and cats for decades, yet to date, not one documented case of raw pet food causing illness in humans has been reported.

...
[healthypets.mercola.com]

The next article that I’ve posted below definitely applies to us and even though it’s a joke, at least we beat out the Paleo Diet! The obvious reason why the reviews are bad is because the persons who reviewed it don’t know anything about Raw Food or Nutrition. To say that it is unclear whether a Raw Food Diet could have a Positive Effect on Cardiovascular Health and that there is No Evidence that a Raw Food Diet can Prevent and Reverse Diabetes and that a Raw Food Diet is Inconvenient because it takes too long to peel a banana or eat an apple and that a Raw Food Diet traces back to the late 1800s when it actually traces back to the beginning of time just shows how little these Fools know about Raw Food and Nutrition!!! However, to base a Diet on how easy it is to follow, especially when it’s compared to its BENEFITS, is totally absurd. Obviously, it’s a deciding factor, but once people understand the BENEFITS of a Raw Food Diet, it’s NOT that hard to follow. As Nietzsche once said, “He who has a strong enough why can bear almost any how.”

Anyway, here is the article followed by my Recap…

[health.usnews.com]
Best Diets Overall

U.S. News evaluated and ranked the 32 diets below with input from a panel of health experts. To be top-rated, a diet had to be relatively easy to follow, nutritious, safe and effective for weight loss and against diabetes and heart disease. The government-endorsed Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension (DASH) snagged the top spot.

…
[health.usnews.com]

JR’s Recap…

Best Diets Overall

#1 - DASH Diet
#2 - TLC Diet
#3 - Mayo Clinic Diet
#3 - Mediterranean Diet
#3 - Weight Watchers
#6 - Flexitarian Diet
#6 - Volumetrics
#8 - Jenny Craig
#9 - Biggest Loser Diet
#9 - Ornish Diet
#11 - Traditional Asian Diet
#11 - Vegetarian Diet
#13 - Anti-Inflammatory Diet
#13 - Slim-Fast
#13 - Spark Solution Diet
#16 - Flat Belly Diet
#16 - Nutrisystem
#18 - Abs Diet
#18 - Engine 2 Diet
#18 - South Beach Diet
#18 - Vegan Diet
#22 - Eco-Atkins Diet
#22 - Glycemic-Index Diet
#22 - Zone Diet
#25 - Macrobiotic Diet
#25 - Medifast
#27 - Acid Alkaline Diet
#28 - The Fast Diet
#29 - Atkins
#29 - Raw Food Diet
#31 - Dukan Diet
#31 - Paleo Diet

Peace and Love..........John

I think it's a combination of ignorance, popularity, deliberately deceiving the public, and the amount of effort involved. Most people don't like the idea of only eating raw foods because they've been growing up on cooked foods their entire life and are completely close-minded when it comes to changing (yet they'll still complain about their health). They also don't want to put forth the effort it takes to sustain yourself on a raw food diet without developing nutritional deficiencies or imbalances. They're addicted to their meat, cheese, and processed foods, so anything that disregards all of these "foods" is tossed aside because it doesn't feed their addiction. Nevermind the fact that a raw foods diet is the most water/nutrient-dense, has the most antioxidants and enzymes, and has been scientifically proven to cure a wide variety of diseases.. it's not popular and doesn't contain America's biggest addictions: meat and cheese.

I don't see where they would get off saying that a raw-food diet is "all but impossible to follow and its nutritional completeness and safety were concerns" when there are literally thousands of people who have been doing this for decades and are in fantastic health. It's a simple case of ignorance and being uneducated when it comes to the raw food diet. I bet they don't even know that sprouts/grass/green juices, sea vegetables, and algae's are apart of the diet.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Nonsence most of these same authorities recommend
> some level of raw plantfood intake i.e fruits and
> vegetables, the point is that there isn't the
> scientific evidence there to back the type of
> sproutarian or 80/10/10 diets you guys often
> recommend as the best diets for health.
>
> Conjecture at best, most of these people and
> authorities recommend ample intake of fruits,
> vegetables and plantfoods like i say for a healthy
> diet. They just don't tend to recommend strict
> intake of these foods because of the nutritional
> completeness and safety concerns.
>
> We shouldn't need to rely on nutritional
> supplements for any nutrient in my opinion.
>


Who said anything about an 80/10/10? And besides, you cant talk about a lack of scientific evidence when there haven't been any scientific studies conducted on a raw foods or sproutarian diet.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:06AM by Prana.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> I don't see where they would get off saying that a
> raw-food diet is "all but impossible to follow and
> its nutritional completeness and safety were
> concerns" when there are literally thousands of
> people who have been doing this for decades and
> are in fantastic health. It's a simple case of
> ignorance and being uneducated when it comes to
> the raw food diet. I bet they don't even know that
> sprouts/grass/green juices, sea vegetables, and
> algae's are apart of the diet.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking your immune because you consume sprouts, grasses, algaes and sea vegetables. These are all great nutrient dense foods, but there are still many other nutrients which can be deficient in your diet or imbalanced such as toxic mentals like copper with all plant based diets.

There is literally hundreds of anecdotal accounts yes, do not believe into everything you read especially when its by raw food promoters or supplement manufacturers. There is literally no research to suggest the type of diet i.e sproutarian/brian clement style you promote is healthy. You laugh at the 80/10/10ers but your diet is no more validated than theres.

Both are completely new age creations, often nutritionally incomplete, imbalanced and hard to follow for the majority. If someone is on the move, how do they grow trays of sprouts daily ? You are confined to your home because of your diet, which is again not proven to be any better than a SAD diet.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 08:13PM by powerlifter.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> What if an all raw sproutarian diet would work? As
> of now I think the sproutarian movement has
> perhaps the biggest chance at success in the raw
> foodist community.

I agree with you also, the sproutarian diet is certainly the most nutrtionally balanced of all of the fad raw diets such as 80/10/10 and natural hygiene diets, which are certainly the worst of the bunch in regards to nutritional imbalances and completeness.

However that doesn't mean its good or proven optimal like the Mediterranean Diet, which has much scientific backing to its longevity and cardiovascular disease prevention benefits, the sproutarian diet can be low in calories, low in carbs, lacking in various nutrients just like any other raw vegan diet is.

Out of the raw diets it definitely has the most chance of success however due to the sheer variety of nutrients. Still a completely unproven diet scientifically such as 80/10/10.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't see where they would get off saying that
> a
> > raw-food diet is "all but impossible to follow
> and
> > its nutritional completeness and safety were
> > concerns" when there are literally thousands of
> > people who have been doing this for decades and
> > are in fantastic health. It's a simple case of
> > ignorance and being uneducated when it comes to
> > the raw food diet. I bet they don't even know
> that
> > sprouts/grass/green juices, sea vegetables, and
> > algae's are apart of the diet.
>
> Don't fall into the trap of thinking your immune
> because you consume sprouts, grasses, algaes and
> sea vegetables. These are all great nutrient dense
> foods, but there are still many other nutrients
> which can be deficient in your diet or imbalanced
> such as toxic mentals like copper with all plant
> based diets.
>
> There is literally hundreds of anecdotal accounts
> yes, do not believe into everything you read
> especially when its by raw food promoters or
> supplement manufacturers. There is literally no
> research to suggest the type of diet i.e
> sproutarian/brian clement style you promote is
> healthy. You laugh at the 80/10/10ers but your
> diet is no more validated than theres.
>
> Both are completely new age creations, often
> nutritionally incomplete, imbalanced and hard to
> follow for the majority. If someone is on the
> move, how do they grow trays of sprouts daily ?
> You are confined to your home because of your
> diet, which is again not proven to be any better
> than a SAD diet.


ALL diets are susceptible to nutritional deficiencies because each individual diet contains different foods. You could follow a paleo diet and only eat an extremely limited amount of what's available on the diet, suffer deficiencies, and then people could say "Oh look, the paleo diet is extremely unhealthy". Same thing with a raw foods diet, it's not about just eating 100% raw, it's about eating the wide variety of foods you need to sustain yourself.

There is no scientific evidence of the raw foods diet or sproutarian diet because there haven't been any massive studies on either of them, get it? Must be pretty sad living in your world confined by 'scientific evidence' despite the fact that many things haven't even been studied scientifically. Also the world of illusion where anyone thriving on a raw food diet is lying. Perhaps you're jealous cause you couldn't hack it?

powerlifter Wrote:
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> THeSt0rm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What if an all raw sproutarian diet would work?
> As
> > of now I think the sproutarian movement has
> > perhaps the biggest chance at success in the
> raw
> > foodist community.
>
> I agree with you also, the sproutarian diet is
> certainly the most nutrtionally balanced of all of
> the fad raw diets such as 80/10/10 and natural
> hygiene diets, which are certainly the worst of
> the bunch in regards to nutritional imbalances and
> completeness.
>
> However that doesn't mean its good or proven
> optimal like the Mediterranean Diet, which has
> much scientific backing to its longevity and
> cardiovascular disease prevention benefits, the
> sproutarian diet can be low in calories, low in
> carbs, lacking in various nutrients just like any
> other raw vegan diet is.
>
> Out of the raw diets it definitely has the most
> chance of success however due to the sheer variety
> of nutrients. Still a completely unproven diet
> scientifically such as 80/10/10.


Did you know that a low caloric intake is associated with a lower incidence of disease and increased longevity?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 08:28PM by jtprindl.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Brian Clement is not the only one.

Brian Clement is just as responsible for the sproutarian style diet, as Doug Graham is responsible for 80/10/10.

Neither of these diets nutritionally complete without supplements as standard, which not only makes these diets not safe in the short term but very dangerous in the long term.

None of these diets are scientifically verified or proven to be healthy. Clever marketing at best.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 08:38PM by powerlifter.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Why do vegans always throw the jealousy card ?, no
> im not jealous of your extreme dietary habits, i
> have been there and your often lack of rounded
> food intake which usually results in serious
> deficiencies and imbalances isn't appealing to
> most.
>
> You have bought into Brian Clement Sproutarian
> science just like the Doug Graham followers that
> you try to debate buy into the 80/10/10 diet.
> There is no science to back any of these fad
> diets.
>
> Yes calorie restriction results in longevity
> according to research, but that doesn't mean we
> shouldn't consume a varied, healthy and balanced
> diet does it ?
>


Right, and a 100% raw foods diet can be extremely healthy and balanced. Again, there is no science to back a raw foods or sproutarian diet because no large-scale scientific studies have been conducted. What's extreme about a raw food vegan diet? I'd say it's more extreme chopping up an animal, drinking another species' milk and eating another species' eggs.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:06AM by Prana.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> THeSt0rm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brian Clement is not the only one.
>
> Brian Clement is just as responsible for the
> sproutarian style diet, as Doug Graham is
> responsible for 80/10/10.
>
> Neither of these diets nutritionally complete
> without supplements as standard, which not only
> makes these diets not safe in the short term but
> very dangerous in the long term.
>
> None of these diets are scientifically verified or
> proven to be healthy. Clever marketing at best.


Studies have shown that almost EVERYONE suffers from B12 deficiency, regardless of diet. Meaning nowadays that all diets would be dangerous in the long-term without B12 supplementation.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Right, and a 100% raw foods diet can be
> extremely
> > healthy and balanced. Again, there is no
> science
> > to back a raw foods or sproutarian diet because
> no
> > large-scale scientific studies have been
> > conducted. What's extreme about a raw food
> vegan
> > diet? I'd say it's more extreme chopping up an
> > animal, drinking another species' milk and
> eating
> > another species' eggs.
>
> If theres no science to prove its healthy, the
> article which prompted this thread concluded that
> a raw food diet was the 3rd worst diet on the
> list.
>
> If there is no scienctific research backing a
> sproutarian diet, then why do you follow it with
> no backing ? Because Brian Clement tells you to do
> so ? or that you read some anecdotal account on a
> free blogspot website saying how great the diet
> was.
>
> As for B12 deficiency being shown in everyone you
> have bought into more Brian Clement studies
> without actually checking if they were actually
> real. The majority of vitamin B12 studies show
> those who are most effected are vegetarians and
> strict vegans, who always score the lowest in b12
> levels.
>


Newsflash, we live in a world where our soil has been significantly depleted (the source of B12) but also in a world where we can obtain high-quality B12 supplements. Taking these B12 supplements while following a raw vegan diet is far more healthy than eating animal products (especially when cooked). Why would I care about what some mainstream media article says? I don't need scientific studies to know the nutritional properties of eating raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, sea vegetables, wheatgrass, algaes and sprouts. Sorry, my mind isn't confined to 'scientific evidence', especially when a lot of science out there is flawed and misguiding. I'm not dumb enough to throw something under the bus because there's no science behind it even though no scientific studies have been conducted.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:06AM by Prana.

Its funny because these studies consistently show that animal food eaters have few problems with b12 deficiency yet vegans are always deficient in B12. Again show me some proof that taking b12 supplements is the healthier alternative because there is none and certainly not via a sproutarian style diet.

Nobody is saying plantfoods are unhealthy, this is where the typical bias comes into play with these type of posts because any healthy diet will always be majority plantfood based in order to be healthy.

Just because some science is flawed by the pharmaceutical industry, doesn't justify, what diet you are promoting having no scientific backing to its health benefits.

Ill ask again, without scientific backing why do you think your diet beats any other diet such as 80/10/10 ? Are you solely believing the word of Brian Clement as to the health benefits of the diet, if so what makes you different to the Doug Graham true believers ?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:03PM by powerlifter.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Its funny because these studies consistently show
> that animal food eaters have few problems with b12
> deficiency yet vegans are always deficient in B12.
> Again show me some proof that taking b12
> supplements is the healthier alternative because
> there is none and certainly not via a sproutarian
> style diet.
>
> Nobody is saying plantfoods are unhealthy, this is
> where the typical bias comes into play with these
> type of posts because any healthy diet will be
> majority plant based in order to be healthy.
>
> Just because some science is flawed by the
> pharmaceutical industry, doesn't justify, what
> diet you are promoting having no scientific
> backing to its benefits.
>
> Ill ask again, without scientific backing why do
> you think your diet beats any other diet such as
> 80/10/10 ?


80/10/10 diets are just another version of the raw food diet and depending on what is consumed, can be very successful or unsuccessful. Why can't someone following an 80/10/10 diet eat sprouts, sea vegetables, algae and wheatgrass?

Again, there haven't been any studies directly addressing B12 supplements. They likely wouldn't even be reliable anyways considering B12 absorption relies on other vitamins and also the current state of the individual. If they have problems with digestion, for example, the effects of the supplement could be negated.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:14PM by jtprindl.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> 80/10/10 diets are just another version of the raw
> food diet and depending on what is consumed, can
> be very successful or unsuccessful. Why can't
> someone following an 80/10/10 diet eat sprouts,
> sea vegetables, algae and wheatgrass?
>
> [ajcn.nutrition.org]

Who says there very successful you ?, Doug Graham ? lol. Brian Clement ?

Show me some scientific proof and long term evidence that these are healthy and safe diets to follow. Not just marketed from people like durianrider.

You'd quickly go over the 10% protein with a high sprout and algae diet which are good amino acid sources.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:15PM by powerlifter.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 80/10/10 diets are just another version of the
> raw
> > food diet and depending on what is consumed,
> can
> > be very successful or unsuccessful. Why can't
> > someone following an 80/10/10 diet eat sprouts,
> > sea vegetables, algae and wheatgrass?
> >
> > [ajcn.nutrition.org]
>
> Who says there very successful you ?, Doug Graham
> ? lol. Brian Clement ?
>
> Show me some scientific proof and long term
> evidence that these are healthy diets to follow.
> Not just marketed from people like durianrider.
>
> You'd quickly go over the 10% protein with a high
> sprout and algae diet which are good amino acid
> sources.


You're off in the head, dude. Guy keeps asking for 'scientific evidence' on things that have never been subject to scientific studies. Sprouts don't have a lot of calories, by the way, so the protein consumption isn't that high, it's just high-quality and absorbable.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:17PM by jtprindl.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> powerlifter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 80/10/10 diets are just another version of
> the
> > raw
> > > food diet and depending on what is consumed,
> > can
> > > be very successful or unsuccessful. Why can't
> > > someone following an 80/10/10 diet eat
> sprouts,
> > > sea vegetables, algae and wheatgrass?
> > >
> > >
> [ajcn.nutrition.org]
> >
> > Who says there very successful you ?, Doug
> Graham
> > ? lol. Brian Clement ?
> >
> > Show me some scientific proof and long term
> > evidence that these are healthy diets to
> follow.
> > Not just marketed from people like durianrider.
> >
> > You'd quickly go over the 10% protein with a
> high
> > sprout and algae diet which are good amino acid
> > sources.
>
>
> You're off in the head, dude. Guy keeps asking for
> 'scientific evidence' on things that have never
> been subject to scientific studies. Sprouts don't
> have a lot of calories, by the way, so the protein
> consumption isn't that high, it's just
> high-quality and absorbable.

Lol could there be any correlation between your constant aggressiveness in your posts and your sub-optimal diet ?

Nobody said sprouts have alot of calories, what i said was a high sprout or algae diet would quickly go over the 10% protein intake.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> powerlifter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Its funny because these studies consistently
> show
> > that animal food eaters have few problems with
> b12
> > deficiency yet vegans are always deficient in
> B12.
> > Again show me some proof that taking b12
> > supplements is the healthier alternative
> because
> > there is none and certainly not via a
> sproutarian
> > style diet.
> >
> > Nobody is saying plantfoods are unhealthy, this
> is
> > where the typical bias comes into play with
> these
> > type of posts because any healthy diet will
> always
> > be majority plantfood based in order to be
> > healthy.
> >
> > Just because some science is flawed by the
> > pharmaceutical industry, doesn't justify, what
> > diet you are promoting having no scientific
> > backing to its health benefits.
> >
> > Ill ask again, without scientific backing why
> do
> > you think your diet beats any other diet such
> as
> > 80/10/10 ? Are you solely believing the word of
> > Brian Clement as to the health benefits of the
> > diet, if so what makes you different to the
> Doug
> > Graham true believers ?
>
> You said nobody is saying plant foods are
> unhealthy.
>
> You said in an earlier post "all raw food is
> unhealthy".
>
> That includes all raw plant foods.
>
> People are allowed to make up their minds on their
> own.
>
> Wait, maybe because of mind control, maybe we
> can't have peace of mind.


You seem to be completely unable to read english, where did i say all raw food is unhealthy ?

Like i said would happen, people can't read these posts coherently, so let me recap for those who can't read - "People seem to take these type of posts the wrong way, no one is saying raw foods are bad, infact raw foods are very healthy, its just that all raw foods are not healthy and scientific research confirms this especially in regards to the nutritonal completeness and balance of a raw food diet. "



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > powerlifter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > jtprindl Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > 80/10/10 diets are just another version of
> > the
> > > raw
> > > > food diet and depending on what is
> consumed,
> > > can
> > > > be very successful or unsuccessful. Why
> can't
> > > > someone following an 80/10/10 diet eat
> > sprouts,
> > > > sea vegetables, algae and wheatgrass?
> > > >
> > > >
> > [ajcn.nutrition.org]
> > >
> > > Who says there very successful you ?, Doug
> > Graham
> > > ? lol. Brian Clement ?
> > >
> > > Show me some scientific proof and long term
> > > evidence that these are healthy diets to
> > follow.
> > > Not just marketed from people like
> durianrider.
> > >
> > > You'd quickly go over the 10% protein with a
> > high
> > > sprout and algae diet which are good amino
> acid
> > > sources.
> >
> >
> > You're off in the head, dude. Guy keeps asking
> for
> > 'scientific evidence' on things that have never
> > been subject to scientific studies. Sprouts
> don't
> > have a lot of calories, by the way, so the
> protein
> > consumption isn't that high, it's just
> > high-quality and absorbable.
>
> Lol could there be any correlation between your
> constant aggressiveness in your posts and your
> sub-optimal diet ?
>
> Nobody said sprouts have alot of calories, what i
> said was a high sprout or algae diet would quickly
> go over the 10% protein intake.


Aggressiveness? More like not understanding how one (you) can be so ignorant. An 80/10/10 diet can include sprouts, algaes, and sea vegetables... who said it had to be high amounts? Where is your scientific evidence that a high sprout or algae diet would quickly go over the 10% protein intake? (let's play your game)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:29PM by jtprindl.

Ohh sorry i should have believed everyword Brian Clement says without question lolz.

Again thestorm, quote the first post you are on about or shut up. What i said was B12 is always been proven from studies to be lower in vegans, not that "all raw food was unhealthy" like you are claiming. Infact in the second post i had made a point of saying raw food was very healthy for this very reason as i know how pedantic vegans can be.

You are doing yourself no justice here.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:37PM by powerlifter.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Neither are you, can you read your own English? I
> dont have to quote the post again I already did
> earlier.

Ahh how convient of you, like i say if this post exists in this very, very small 2 page thread which everyone with a non-vegan brain can read back with ease.

quote it if you can, because you will find if you can actually read i already said that raw food was healthy but not all raw food diets were duh



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:41PM by powerlifter.

Dude what are you even on about ?

Are you drunk ?, read back my posts slowly without as much alcohol and sprouts. I didnt at all say "all raw foods are unhealthy" like you claimed. Infact i isolated and praised them for that reason because pedantic individuals like you would come back and say i was against the diet.

You've been smoking too much broccoli haze.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:46PM by powerlifter.

Strawman response, you guys can do and say whatever you want about me but i can't respond in any manner.

You can lie about what ive said, just ignore and completely deny but thats ok

How about you keep on topic instead of making these posts personal like you always do when you can't back up your posts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 09:54PM by powerlifter.

Dude like i say if you want to follow and eat sproutaran or 80/10/10 fire on, nobody is stopping you.

But don't try to censor other peoples opinions on the safety of these type of diets, especially when there is no scientific backing to validating there benefits.

That might make you angry because it goes against your beliefs, im sorry but thats the way it goes.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 10:02PM by powerlifter.

hey THeStorm, Powelifer is not raw or vegan. He eats sardines and meat + the supps zinc, molybdenum, manganese, chromium, selenium. He then he posts here telling people that vegan foods are not healthy because it needs supps (ironic). He mainly posts here to vent and he is against vegan diets from apparently damage made to his pancreas? (seeking revenge?). He is still damaged internally and he acts like an injured animal and so his posts reflect that. He got you all worked and that was his plan.

the 801010 was not invented by D Graham. It had predecessors. The 801010 macro ratio is the healthiest in the world with many scientific studies done (ie see the China Study).

Like ive said i think majority plant food based diets are very healthy.

So your anti-vegan responses are't only predictable but laughable. Like i say if you want to follow unproven fad diets like 80/10/10 or sproutarian go ahead, nobody is stopping you with trying these fad diets.

Just don't rope others into these diets without scientific proof to back up such diet or benefits.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 10:23PM by powerlifter.

his name is forbiddengrapes at 30bananasadaysucks. You cann read Powerlifer diet and health condition here: [30bananasadaysucks.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2014 10:47PM by Panchito.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Like ive said i think majority plant food based
> diets are very healthy.
>
> So your anti-vegan responses are't only
> predictable but laughable. Like i say if you want
> to follow unproven fad diets like 80/10/10 or
> sproutarian go ahead, nobody is stopping you with
> trying these fad diets.
>
> Just don't rope others into these diets without
> scientific proof to back up such diet or benefits.


Scientific proof doesn't mean anything when there have been no scientific studies addressing the raw food diet or sproutarian diet in the first place. Thousands of people (who in your delusional world are all liars) are thriving on raw food diets. You failed and then gave up, sucks for you, doesn't mean others don't know how to do it. Your knowledge is vastly inferior to both Douglas Graham and Brian Clement when it comes to health and nutrition, so trying to insult them wouldn't be in your best interest.

Panchito Wrote:
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> his name is forbiddengrapes at 30bananasadaysucks.
> You cann read Powerlifer diet and health condition
> here:
> [30bananasadaysucks.com]-
> genesis-sunfire-a-k-a-richard-blackman-loses-front
> -teeth-but-endorsed-by-david-wolfe/#comment-97430

Lol what ?, im not even signed up on that forum.

You guys do yourself no justice at all.

If you want to follow 80/10/10 or sproutarian diet go ahead nobody is stopping you. Just don't try to censor others opinions on these diets.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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[30bananasadaysucks.com]

> Lol what ?, im not even signed up on that forum.

is this your diet? Are you trying to teach people how to be healthy?

sardines,
meat several times a week,
steamed vegetables (rarely eat them raw anymore),
consume whole grains,
sweet potatoes,
good fats,
choline,
methylB-12,
metyhfolate,
B-6 and others,
magnesium (Hair mineral tests showed huge copper toxicity),
zinc and molybdenum, manganese, chromium and selenium
herbs (believe in herbalism)
probiotics



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