powerlifter Wrote:


> because im bored...



I'm new here, would you be so good as to tell me how long this spamming gas bag of a thousand self-referential cut and pasted multi font blathering threads typically lasts until he runs out of manic steam and sleeps off the depressive cycle back in his stinking bunker full of moldy files?

I'm bored with the relentlessly repeated mindless drivel too.

SueZ Wrote:
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> I'm new here, would you be so good as to tell
> me how long this spamming gas bag of a thousand
> self-referential cut and pasted multi font
> blathering threads typically lasts until he runs
> out of manic steam and sleeps off the depressive
> cycle back in his stinking bunker full of moldy
> files?
>
> I'm bored with the relentlessly repeated
> mindless drivel too.

Unfortunately it has been going on long before i signed up in 2010 and will likely go on long after i leave. Although there won't be a forum left soon because he has driven so many of our good members away.

I was warned by several veteran members upon signing up that he was a troublesome character and the cause of why several of the then long time members had left the forum. Do note that most of these members were also vegan, so John can't play the anti-vegan card here like he does with me.

None or few of these members are present with us anymore and i know personally that he is majority responsible for them leaving or stopping taking part in the forum. He recently had a temporary ban which was like night and day to be around on the forum, but his temporary vacation was only because of his behaviour in the off-topic section, which isn't only commonly racist and anti-semitic if you view his posts, but just as uncontrollable as his behaviour is in the health sections.

Again nothing is usually done about this guy, he's aloud to go around calling people psychopaths, idiots, dishonest skeptics, acts racist, trolls as much as he likes and whatever.



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2014 08:16PM by powerlifter.

Thanks, Powerlifter. I was hoping there were cycles on and cycles off but since it's going to be a nonstop spamming thing from hell eternally I guess I'll just completely skip his threads. So far I've just been skipping his posts in his threads but it's time to throw that whole bad seed baby out with his bathwater.

Too bad this site doesn't seem to have an "ignore poster" function. That would be a big help and cut down on headaches.

<<<Stop being an ignorant lying troll.>>>

Hey fresh,

Compulsive Lying is 1 of the 9 basic Characteristics that Psychopaths exhibit, as well as being very PREDICTIBLE!!!

Once again…

How many people has Chris aka powerlier ANTAGONIZED in this Thread alone?!?!?!

There’s jtprindl, THeSt0rm, vermontnl, anon101, Panchito, fresh - am I missing anybody? Include me on that list and that’s at least 6 people that chris aka powerlier has ANTAGONIZED in this Thread alone. And then, we have suez coming to pl’s rescue, which comes as no surprise since they have similar MOs.

Correction - that should be -

There’s jtprindl, THeSt0rm, vermontnl, anon101, Panchito, fresh & JR - that’s at least 7 people that chris aka powerlier has ANTAGONIZED in this Thread alone!!!





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2014 08:52PM by John Rose.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Thanks, Powerlifter. I was hoping there were
> cycles on and cycles off but since it's going to
> be a nonstop spamming thing from hell eternally I
> guess I'll just completely skip his threads. So
> far I've just been skipping his posts in his
> threads but it's time to throw that whole bad seed
> baby out with his bathwater.
>
> Too bad this site doesn't seem to have an
> "ignore poster" function. That would be a big help
> and cut down on headaches.

Don't question anything John Rose says, else he will be on your back for life on the forum as you've seen. Which is why you are also now considered a shill from the animal food industry even though you are raw vegan lol. He records every post in existance on here so even if from 2009 he won't drop it as seen with the member swimmer lol.

If you eat more fat than he does then you are now the enemy im afraid lol. The only acceptable diet to discuss on this forum is 80/10/10 or high fruit natural hygiene else you must bully everyone until they eat exactly the same way as you do.

The irony is that when i requested a self ban from this forum last year due to John Roses abuse, i kept an eye on the forum and he completely stopped posting in my absence also, really annoying considering the reason why i and so many other members left was because of his uncontrollable outbursts.

Which just makes me think that he is here to stir up fights and cause drama its obvious.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2014 09:12PM by powerlifter.

fresh

<< la_v,
your statements as they were stated above Presume that they are in fact the truth
(for example, PL says taurine is lacking),
and that all we need to do now go and find out how to fix the problem..

when there is no problem.

this has nothing to do with MY truth.
It has nothing to do with me.
It has nothing to do with you thinking that I am being difficult.>>

okay fresh, thank you for letting me know
i'm glad that you have found a simple way for the diet to work for you

and i understand that you believe that your diet works for everyone else as well

i accept that

and i also accept that you think i am being misled in my beliefs that i could improve my RVD by focusing on potential areas

no problem

>and i understand that you believe that your diet works for everyone else as well

no I would not say that.


>and i also accept that you think i am being misled in my beliefs that i could improve my RVD by focusing on potential areas

I would not say that either. I simply said that your statement quoting powerlifter or whomever, was a statement that implied unquestioning acceptance. If you believe a statement that's great - I have not seen any evidence or studies that support statements like that. Have you? let's see it? One should not just quote the summary findings from a study and simply assume they are true.

Those statements are contrary to nutritional science. They are simply statements pulled from flawed studies.

fresh


<<Of course we should investigate for ourselves what is the best diet for us>>

yes, in this we can both agree

i do not consider making changes simply because someone gives me THEIR opinion

this is simply the STARTING point

i examine it on my own

and launch my own independent investigation

and if i feel that there is some merit to this point

then i investigate potential solutions

and ask others for their "opinion"

and I am extremely confident that i have the ability to

take it or leave it ( i'm pretty good at that)

i'm ultimately the boss of my own diet

as are you

so there really is no problem here

this is what everyone does

no one blindly accepts another person's notion ( well, perhaps a 2 year old would but we are adults here)

without investigating for themselves

i modify my RFD diet

in a way that has brought me greater improvement

same diet

higher caliber

why should it worry you that my RFD ( same as yours)

is slightly different

and makes me feel better

do you wish for me to eat exactly as YOU do

that's not going to happen fresh

and i'm not so sure why you would want me to be like you

that makes no sense

we are all different creatures here

i do not don everyone else's leash simply because it will suit them

to see me with the same leash

i do not eat meat dairy eggs etc.

nor do I

simply go with 80 10 10

because to do either of these would be putting a leash on myself

neither of these paradigms suit me

does that make me "wrong"?

no

it just makes me

me

its kind of simple really

i am not doing anything so mind blowingly heretic blaspheming or horrific

i'm just doing what suits me

and makes me happy

and in my book

that's called " living the good life"

and if in the future

i find that there are other areas to improve

i will do that

because it pleases ME to do so ( and no one else)

its a dynamic process

but i'm glad you are confident in your diet

and that you are 100% solid in your stance
that you have found what works for you

you ought to rejoice

your search is over

it is cause for celebration

let's celebrate

drinks are on me

will it be dandelion or celery/apple juice that i can make for you?

fresh

<<I would not say that either. I simply said that your statement quoting powerlifter or whomever, was a statement that implied unquestioning acceptance. If you believe a statement that's great - I have not seen any evidence or studies that support statements like that. Have you? let's see it? One should not just quote the summary findings from a study and simply assume they are true.

Those statements are contrary to nutritional science. They are simply statements pulled from flawed studies.>>

"unquestioning acceptance" does not occur in my world

it only APPEARS that way to you
because i have the audacity to thank someone ( justly deserved)

the part that you do not see is that i am also questioning investigating and experimenting on my own

who gets to decide ( from a sea of 10, 000 peer reviewed article on this and that) what is "flawed" or "nutritionally sound" and what gets to be called "science"?

ME

that's right

I , me, MYSELF gets to ultimately decide from the plethora of orthodox doctors, orthodox scientists, RFD doctors , ND's Natural Hygienists etc.

they all have something to say and they all write things for people to read

but who gets to decide?

ME

WHY?

cuz its MY body

and how do i decide?

well, after reviewing all the so called 'evidence"

i'll make a decision and if it works, i'll stick with it

if it doesn't , i'll change

that's how it goes fresh

i didn't know anyone operated in any other mode otherwise

i thought everyone did that

but i'll admit there is a possibility i could have been wrong

how do YOU operate?

i'm curious

you assume a lot. if you will track back you may see that you could be misinterpreting me.
> do you wish for me to eat exactly as YOU do

no
>and that you are 100% solid in your stance

how do you know how solid I am in my stance?

>your search is over

sounds like you are being sarcastic or presuming?

have a lovely day

la_v,
I'm not going around and around with you on this.

why do you keep implying i am telling you what to do?

this is not about you.

it's about PL posting irrelevant studies and drawing false conclusions to support his bias .

yes I KNOW it is your right to decide,and it is mine to post as well.

fresh


i don't know what else you want me to tell you

you're looking for something

and i have no clue what it is ( nor do i particularly care to know)

this balloon has risen as high as its going to

for now

i'm sticking a needle in it

and going for a ride on my bike

there are some nice trails near where i live

great breeze

clear skies

yes

it IS a lovely day

you should check it out

see you on the trails

La-veronique, fresh is a well known raw food troll on a number of health forums, don't even entertain the guys bullying ways.

He is also well known for eating cooked foods, whilst pretending to be a 100% raw foodist, just look back his posts under his fresh account on here where he admits to eating cooked foods but makes himself out to be a strict 80/10/10er raw foodist.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2014 11:54PM by powerlifter.

la_v, presuming again? why do you think I want something from you? I was responding to your post. that happens when people post on a discussion group.

powerlifter. I have already responded to your lame attempt at a smear. I see that you have no interest in responding to anything of substance

for example why you think that omega 3's are not available to vegans or any one of your other false statements.

PowerLiar, you should be the last person to call people liars because I proved in this thread that you are a callous murderer of the truth.

gentlefolk, this discussion has become quite heated, and there is not any real information coming out here, just a lot of bad feelings. What would you rate the signal to noise ratio on this thread? Should I scrap the entire thread, or is there some salient (of value) information here?

Don't scrap it, it contains alot of good information especially about John Roses lack of qualifications and such.

Is no one else questioning this anon101 member, who's popped up out of the blue ?. Considering all he does is give me crap and tell everyone how great John Rose is, doesn't take a magician to work out who he is.

Anon101 do you do anything else around here apart from praise John Rose ?, strange considerng 90% of your posts are telling John how smart he is.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2014 12:21AM by powerlifter.

<<< Don't scrap it>>>

powerliar’s comment says it all not because anyone has shown any lack of my qualifications, but because Psychopaths Swim in Chaos. This type of DISHARMONY is what Psychopaths want the most.

As I pointed out in one of my Posts above…

The Psychopath’s Modus Operandi

Their Strategy is as follows:

They Poison the Environment in a variety of ways so that everyone Feels Irritable, Edgy and Unable to perform their jobs.

There is NOTHING of any value in this thread, except to feed the NEGATIVE ENERGY that powerliar brings to this website. Scrap the Thread and scrap the Psychopath who has derailed it!!!

You forgot you weren't logged into your anon101 account and also referred to me as powerliar John lol.

Keep boosting this thread for everyone to see, so everyone can see how extensive your medical and nutritional qualifications are .

I think there's only one person around here who constantly shows themselves to be a true psychopath, you think mass genocide and hitler are role models but eating some cooked broccoli is psychopathic lol. Ill let your 19 box system, with a 15 box intercooler system work that out though.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2014 12:34AM by powerlifter.

Once again…

How many people has Chris aka powerliar ANTAGONIZED in this Thread alone?!?!?!

There’s jtprindl, THeSt0rm, vermontnl, anon101, Panchito, fresh - am I missing anybody? Include me on that list and that’s at least 7 people that chris aka powerliar has ANTAGONIZED in this Thread alone.

Bryan,

If you don’t BAN powerliar, please leave this Thread so we can use it for future reference.

John Rose Wrote:
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> Bryan,
>
> If you don’t BAN powerliar, please leave this
> Thread so we can use it for future reference.

Lol dude the only person going to be banned at this rate is you. I haven't stepped over any rules here, you however have over-stepped a number and have resorted to a number of petty insults.

Regardless of this thread your anti-semitic racist posts in the off topic section alone are also likely against John Kohlers rules, so id think about what you post here.

However yes please do leave this thread for future reference, so everyone can see exactly the qualifications of John Rose and how this man acts. Which he has no qualifications, although he has a radio mp3 lol.



Edited 8 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2014 12:44AM by powerlifter.

" you think mass genocide and hitler are role models but eating some cooked broccoli is psychopathic lol."


I really don't understand why powerlifter thinks that statements like this above are acceptable.

Why twist words? Why be so manipulative? Why waste so much time doing so?

I am going to just guess that JR does not think that mass genocide and hitler are not role models.

And I am going to guess that eating some cooked broccoli according to JR is not "psychopathic"

Where have i said anyone is stupid ? no where exactly, why is a different opinion on diet considered bullying to you.

Yet John Rose is calling people real insults and your not batting an eyelid here ?

Like i have said to you i am supportive of your diet, but you must also accept that others may have a different opinion to you. If you can't accept that then you have no place being on a forum in the first place im afraid.

Of course i want people to objectively question there diets and get past the fake marketing. I want people to look at the full picture knowing the benefits but also knowing the contraindications of these type of diets, without bias.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2014 01:11AM by powerlifter.

>But why are so you and others so aggressively trying to censor my opinion on diet ?


because you do not support your black and white statements when asked to do so.
and for another, for those statements that you made above that I just noted where you lie and distort others statements.

fresh Wrote:
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> >But why are so you and others so aggressively
> trying to censor my opinion on diet ?
>
>
> because you do not support your black and white
> statements when asked to do so.
> and for another, for those statements that you
> made above that I just noted where you lie and
> distort others statements.

Lol ironic considering im one of the most open minded members on here. I won't cry if somebody posts a study which shows a raw food to be better than cooked, ill utilize it myself, i don't have intense dietary bias because i don't support food like its a football team in the way you do with veganism.

However if i was to do the same, you'd get upset. Your getting upset over this thread and i wasn't even the original article author lol. All i said in this thread is that the 80/10/10 and such wasn't scientifically verified.

Look how out of hand you guys have got in return ?

Hardly a good advertisement for raw vegans is it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2014 01:24AM by powerlifter.

Powerliar--> "You have to laugh that the raw food diet and typical paleo diet are ranked the lowest. Two of the biggest fad diets of the 21st century."



Fad-- an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, esp. one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.



So, newsflash, all of us who follow a raw diet(which is most of us here). According to Powerliar we are following a craze. Something's that's temporary and without basis in the object's qualities. And what more, Powerliar feels we are too dumb to recognize it so he has to constantly remind us.

anon101 Wrote:
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> Powerliar--> "You have to laugh that the raw food
> diet and typical paleo diet are ranked the lowest.
> Two of the biggest fad diets of the 21st
> century."
>
>
>
> Fad-- an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for
> something, esp. one that is short-lived and
> without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.
>
>
>
> So, newsflash, all of us who follow a raw
> diet(which is most of us here). According to
> Powerliar we are following a craze. Something's
> that's temporary and without basis in the object's
> qualities. And what more, Powerliar feels we are
> too dumb to recognize it so he has to constantly
> remind us.

Why don't you just post under your John Rose account ?

The whole powerlifer reflecting on the post thing is what John Rose does. You can easily do that from your own account.

Although i understand your trying to make it look like everyone is against me vibe.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2014 01:26AM by powerlifter.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> thestorm, it is unvalidated, im not sure what you
> want or expect of me here. do you want me to say
> that the raw food diet your promoting is extremely
> validated and has lots of scientific backing,
> because im sorry it doesn't.
>
> Thats not my problem, its yours at the end of the
> day. Does that mean the diet your promoting is bad
> ?, like i say not at all. But it means its
> unproven compared to other scientifically verified
> diets in regards to longevity such as the
> mediterranean diet.
>
> Again im not sure what your asking of me here, do
> you want me to lie and say that your raw diets are
> well backed ? Theres a reason the raw food diet
> came 29th out of 31 on Johns list he linked.
>
> Like i said earlier to you in this thread, if you
> want to inject your opinion that these diets are
> great or follow them, nobody is stopping you here,
> i certainly haven't ever been aggressive on your
> dietary opinions, regardless of how you guys treat
> me. But why are so you and others so aggressively
> trying to censor my opinion on diet ?
>


Powerlifter is simply a troll or he just has an extremely large amount of time on his hands so he sits on this forum all day looking for arguments, intentionally posting things to draw a response from raw foodists. The Mediterranean diet has proven health benefits due to its richness in fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and olive oil. Fish are heavily contaminated, form toxins when cooked, and fish oil has been linked to prostate cancer. The raw food diet is gaining more and more popularity because of the wide variety of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, enzymes, phytochemicals, fiber, and other nutrients that have been scientifically proven to reverse and cure disease. The health benefits are innumerable. You cant knock a diet for not having "scientific evidence" when no scientific studies have been conducted. It's already been scientifically proven that DHA levels are similar in fish-eaters and vegans, destroying one of the main aspects of your argument. In another thread, you also not-so-smoothly avoided the question "Why would we originally need to get B12 from animals when the only natural source is soil?" (Prediction: He avoids it again) when it came vegan diets and B12. And what about the thousands thriving on a raw vegan diet... they're all liars, right? You like to criticize Douglas Graham but I'm willing to bet his health is vastly superior to yours, so what does that say about you? All your arguments have been thoroughly destroyed, with the exception of the copper-zinc issue which affects people on any diet. The people who avoid this problem by eating meat are introducing an entire list of other health issues.



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