fresh Wrote:
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> >Maybe if you don't consider enzymes or nutrition
> beneficial
>
> I don't know what you mean by that. do the other
> animals need to know about enzymes?


I don't understand what you mean by that either lol

jtprindl Wrote:
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> powerlifter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is nothing wrong with experimenting with
> > diet. However you are discounting and trying to
> > discredit my own experiences with a vegan and
> raw
> > vegan diet, when you haven't even been doing
> this
> > type of diet for a single full day.
> >
> > How do you know 5 months down the line you
> won't
> > turn around and feel different about
> sproutarian
> > ?. Do you not think we were all convinced of
> the
> > raw food diet when starting out like you are
> just
> > now, why would we try it otherwise lol. If you
> > strictly and successfully make such a diet work
> > long term ,then you are in the minority at this
> > stage.
> >
> > Give it half a year and if you even
> successfully
> > manage to eat strict sproutarian style, i will
> be
> > proud of you.
> >
>
>
> Just like you are discrediting the thousands of
> people who follow a raw vegan diet and are doing
> great, which leads to the conclusion that YOU were
> doing it incorrectly. Truth might hurt a little,
> but that's the reality. No where have you ever
> proven even in the slightest bit that humans rely
> on animal products for optimal health. You can't
> even answer a simple question about B12. You cant
> really argue that a diet rich in sprouts,
> wheatgrass, and algae's is the most nutrient-dense
> of them all. That doesn't mean you exclude every
> other type of food, it just means the majority of
> what you eat is fresh, homegrown organic sprouts.

If you would take just a little time off from being online you will have saved enough time and energy to set up a decent enough "sproutery" to kick things off for yourself and get into a rhythm of actually commencing on the journey you propose to take toward being a sproutarian. A "sproutery" does not set itself up and it certainly is not rocket science you know.

There are doers and there are talkers in this life. If you have a passion for becoming a sproutarian then do it and then you also will have something to come back here and tell us all about in regards to how it's going and what you've been learning. And we will listen.

So far you have asked a lot of questions from more experienced people about various aspects of the raw food lifestyle while giving absolutely no indication you have acted on any of the responses you've requested. Hell, most of the time you don't even bother to thank anyone for responding to your requests.

You say you are 21 and talk as though you are in good health. Prove it. Put in the blood, sweat, and tears if that's what it will take to get yourself off your duff and to follow up on your passion of being a sproutarian if you are serious and want to be taken seriously.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > powerlifter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > There is nothing wrong with experimenting
> with
> > > diet. However you are discounting and trying
> to
> > > discredit my own experiences with a vegan and
> > raw
> > > vegan diet, when you haven't even been doing
> > this
> > > type of diet for a single full day.
> > >
> > > How do you know 5 months down the line you
> > won't
> > > turn around and feel different about
> > sproutarian
> > > ?. Do you not think we were all convinced of
> > the
> > > raw food diet when starting out like you are
> > just
> > > now, why would we try it otherwise lol. If
> you
> > > strictly and successfully make such a diet
> work
> > > long term ,then you are in the minority at
> this
> > > stage.
> > >
> > > Give it half a year and if you even
> > successfully
> > > manage to eat strict sproutarian style, i
> will
> > be
> > > proud of you.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Just like you are discrediting the thousands of
> > people who follow a raw vegan diet and are
> doing
> > great, which leads to the conclusion that YOU
> were
> > doing it incorrectly. Truth might hurt a
> little,
> > but that's the reality. No where have you ever
> > proven even in the slightest bit that humans
> rely
> > on animal products for optimal health. You
> can't
> > even answer a simple question about B12. You
> cant
> > really argue that a diet rich in sprouts,
> > wheatgrass, and algae's is the most
> nutrient-dense
> > of them all. That doesn't mean you exclude
> every
> > other type of food, it just means the majority
> of
> > what you eat is fresh, homegrown organic
> sprouts.
>
> If you would take just a little time off
> from being online you will have saved enough time
> and energy to set up a decent enough "sproutery"
> to kick things off for yourself and get into a
> rhythm of actually commencing on the journey you
> propose to take toward being a sproutarian. A
> "sproutery" does not set itself up and it
> certainly is not rocket science you know.
>
> There are doers and there are talkers in
> this life. If you have a passion for becoming a
> sproutarian then do it and then you also will have
> something to come back here and tell us all about
> in regards to how it's going and what you've been
> learning. And we will listen.
>
> So far you have asked a lot of questions
> from more experienced people about various aspects
> of the raw food lifestyle while giving absolutely
> no indication you have acted on any of the
> responses you've requested. Hell, most of the time
> you don't even bother to thank anyone for
> responding to your requests.
>
> You say you are 21 and talk as though you
> are in good health. Prove it. Put in the blood,
> sweat, and tears if that's what it will take to
> get yourself off your duff and to follow up on
> your passion of being a sproutarian if you are
> serious and want to be taken seriously.


What are you even talking about? What are some of these questions that I have "given no indication" that I've acted on? Did I not just say that I've been sprouting? Why are you acting like you know the amount of work I've put in when it comes to sprouting?



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she works for the nsa. answer the questions, or you will receive a NSL!
;-)

> What are you even talking about? What are some of
> these questions that I have "given no indication"
> that I've acted on?

You've got to be kidding, or have an incredibly poor memory. You have asked tons of questions in numerous threads and just left the threads without thanking anyone for their help or reporting back on what you thought or if you had even tried anything yet. Just no response. I found out once I finally inquired on how it was going with the info you'd culled from that tea thread only to find out you hadn't even mustered up enough energy to make a stinking cup of herbal tea yet.



Did I not just say that I've
> been sprouting?

Yes you did mention you'd been putzing around with sprouting in a half assed way.

Why are you acting like you know
> the amount of work I've put in when it comes to
> sprouting?

In part because of your mentioning putzing around with sprouting in an obviously half assed way for someone who professes to want to get a major amount of their diet from sprouts.

In part because of the nature of your questions which are very elementary sounding to anyone who has put some serious time in sprouting.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> > What are you even talking about? What are some
> of
> > these questions that I have "given no
> indication"
> > that I've acted on?
>
> You've got to be kidding, or have an incredibly
> poor memory. You have asked tons of questions in
> numerous threads and just left the threads without
> thanking anyone for their help or reporting back
> on what you thought or if you had even tried
> anything yet. Just no response. I found out once I
> finally inquired on how it was going with the info
> you'd culled from that tea thread only to find out
> you hadn't even mustered up enough energy to make
> a stinking cup of herbal tea yet.
>
>
>
> Did I not just say that I've
> > been sprouting?
>
> Yes you did mention you'd been putzing around
> with sprouting in a half assed way.
>
> Why are you acting like you know
> > the amount of work I've put in when it comes to
> > sprouting?
>
> In part because of your mentioning putzing
> around with sprouting in an obviously half assed
> way for someone who professes to want to get a
> major amount of their diet from sprouts.
>
> In part because of the nature of your questions
> which are very elementary sounding to anyone who
> has put some serious time in sprouting.


Lol, are you being serious? I haven't tested out making tea and you're trying to insult me? That is literally comical. I didn't "report back" because I hadn't gotten to it. Why are you trying to tell me when I should do things? Are you running a poll on the opinions of cold-brewed tea or something?

Yes, I've asked a lot of questions about sprouting because I recently just started doing it and want to perfect it as quick as possible (which I will). Is there a problem?

>and trying to
> discredit my own experiences with a vegan and raw
> vegan diet,

powerlifter
were you ever all raw and/or total vegan?

I got E3 in my freezer. Annette Larkins used to sell me mine when I was in Florida. I love it. I am not sure what you guys are talking about but I see it mentioned. I love it, live algae frozen, and you thaw it out to drink. I add to my smoothies maybe 1 tb a day or something. I do feel it. Gives me that wheatgrassy feeling where my hairs stand on end.

Are we talking about the anti raw movement still? Everybody adds to the mix and everyone has their own perfect diet. If we want to go exploring we can see how everyone is doing. Its like a pendulum swinging. We all go exploring and try out new things and then we do the opposite.

>Two of the worst diets for my body were raw vegan fruitarian/80/10/10 style and low carb atkins/paleo style diet. Both of these didn't make me feel good at all, i was weak, blood sugar was imbalanced, depressed and no matter how long i kept trying them,


what do you mean "no matter how long"? you were obviously all over the place experimenting - it takes some time.


>I could eat all the fruit i care for and it never seemed to do anything to balance blood sugar or satiate me on these type of diets.


it takes time to figure it out. but you as with everyone else, would rather blame the diet. feel free to share how you did the diet in a pm.

>Either way, im happy eating how i eat at the moment.

that's all that matters.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> How long does it take for these raw diets to work
> then or the low carb paleo in my case ? I hear
> people like Doug Graham and durianrider saying it
> should take 5-10 years to feel good or get results
> lol. What a cop-out.
>
> If your not getting beneficial results with your
> diet after a couple of months, especially in
> regards to weight loss, metabolic health and body
> composition, then there is something majorly wrong
> with your diet or you have a thyroid/metabolic
> disorder.
>


I'd say it depends on a lot of variables... what exactly you're eating (cause it could be very limited in terms of the raw food diet), how fast you're detoxing (exercise, sauna, colon hydrotherapy, etc.), avoiding further toxicity (including stress), previous health issues, and so on.



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>If your not getting beneficial results with your diet after a couple of months, especially in regards to weight loss, metabolic health and body composition, then there is something majorly wrong with your diet or you have a thyroid/metabolic disorder.

like I have said about 5 million times, your statement PRESUMES that you are doing the diet correctly and it is QUITE EASY to make errors that put you off in a ditch while your body is ALSO transitioning and cleansing.

<<<If your not getting beneficial results with your diet after a couple of months, especially in regards to weight loss, metabolic health and body composition, then there is something majorly wrong with your diet or you have a thyroid/metabolic disorder.>>>

First of all, I doubt if you were able to do a Raw Food Diet the right way since you couldn’t even figure out how to get 10% Protein in your Diet - [www.rawfoodsupport.com] !

Now let’s just assume that you did do a Raw Food Diet the right way and if so, your Conclusion is a False Conclusion based on a Lack of understanding about the Law of Cause & Effect and the Ripple Effect.

As I have mentioned dozens of times, we always start with the Science first - we always start with Removing the Primary Causes first and this especially includes Removing the Wrong Foods!!! Removing the Primary Causes works in the vast majority of cases, except we can NOT Change the Condition of our Body overnight, which means that we might also have to use the Art - we might also have to deal with the Ripple Effect due to the Damage that we’ve done to our Body and the Environment. This type of DAMAGE includes things like Adrenal Fatigue and Copper Toxicity, for example.

Does any of this sound familiar?

It should as I’ve described the Science and the Art enough times that some of you guys should be able to explain it as well as I can explain it.

The FIRST point here is that we can Remove the Primary Causes and still have Problems simply because we can NOT Change the Condition of our Body overnight!!!

Does this mean that “there is something majorly wrong with our diet or we have a Thyroid or a Metabolic Disorder”?

Well, we might have a Thyroid or a Metabolic Disorder, but that’s NOT the only thing that might be DAMAGED and we can NOT BLAME our Diet just because we can NOT Change the Condition of our Body overnight!!! In other words, we can NOT use the Ripple Effect to discount the Law of Cause & Effect!

The SECOND point here is that we might not even start with the Science first - we might not even start with Removing the Primary Causes first and we might go straight to using the Art - we might go straight to dealing with the Ripple Effect due to the Damage that we’ve done to our Body and the Environment and we might even see RESULTS because we are dealing with the Damage that we’ve done to our Body and the Environment. However, as I have mentioned dozens of times, we should NEVER use the Art without the Science because the Lack of Science or the Lack of understanding the Law of Cause & Effect is what got most of us in TROUBLE in the first place.

To learn more about the Science and the Art, check out my Post on Biochemical Individuality - [www.rawfoodsupport.com] !

Peace and Love..........John

>or satiate me on these type of diets


And by the way, this statement is the PERFECT, COMMON evidence (if you had read many of the transitional stories in the raw world over the past years) that shows that you either did something wrong with the diet or the body was not ready.

The reason is that so many people WENT THROUGH this non satiation period and got PAST IT.

And now you spend your time bashing the raw/vegan diet when you didn't even transition through that period of time that most people get!

but you won't take this information and consider it seriously - you will continue propagating the nutrient inadequacy myth. like when you say "where do you get your omega-3 " and never back it up with facts.

I am not trying to say you were wrong with what you did, or that you SHOULD do anything - just that like so many others you allowed your personal experience to taint what is a nutritionally adequate diet. I am not saying that people should never concern themselves with anything. I just think it sends people unnecessarily in wrong directions.

Who is bashing the raw vegan/ diet!!!?

coconutcream Wrote:
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> Who is bashing the raw vegan/ diet!!!?



Powerliar.

Folk,

I need the name calling to stop on the forum, specifically (but not limited to) the use of "powerliar" to refer to powerlifter. If this name calling continues, I will be giving out free vacations.





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this place has become a slaughterhouse

and it looks like it may be a while til the bloodlust is completely slated

maybe the New and Improved Raw Vegan Diet is really now a RVD + Blood diet

i hear blood has a lot of protein

maybe its the new energetic supplement

for fruit eating blood sucking bats ( turned vampires)

( i hear slurping noises in the background)

welcome to the RVD den

surreal hallucinogenic abattoir



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2014 08:37AM by la_veronique.

okay, everyone can commence slurping on each others' punctured carotid again

maybe someone can PM me to let me know when the slurpfest on this thread and all

proceeding threads have abated

don't let me stop you

hey freedom of choice

right?

continue on

enjoy

plenty of red blood cells for everyone

just not my thing

whatever floats your boat though

bon appetit

Ah, Screw you Prana... and Powerliar too.

Prana Wrote:
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> Folk,
>
> I need the name calling to stop on the forum,
> specifically (but not limited to) the use of
> "powerliar" to refer to powerlifter. If this name
> calling continues, I will be giving out free
> vacations.

Thank you!

Hey Bryan,

This is at least the 2nd time that you have been DUPED by the same Internet Shill!!!

Let’s not forget the last words from The Sproutarian Man…

<<<When Seuz is gone l will come back, but l no longer wish to read her bashing of John, myself and others. I've got far too much work to do, and now l will have an excuse to finally concentrate on my own site instead of sharing with others here.

This environment is far too toxic here for me to feel comfortable and my enjoyment has gone way down since Seuz started posting here. Good bye. Please don't post anything to me or write to me, l don't want to know.>>>

Hey SeuZ,

This Thread [www.rawfoodsupport.com] is for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey anon,

Don’t let the Shills win. Bryan made this very same mistake over a decade ago when he stuck up for Zz and now, he’s sticking up for 2 people who are causing all of the CHAOS on this website, especially in the last 4 weeks, which is when SeuZ started posting. In this thread alone, PL has antagonized at least 7 people that I have verified.

The problem here is that Bryan/Prana appears to be burned out and is not even reading all of these Posts, so he succumbs to complaints by taking the easy way out. Instead of putting in the time to get to the bottom of this, which he is not compensated for and I’m sure doesn’t want to do to begin with, he just gives in to those who are complaining. That’s what he did when he gave me that 30 day vacation. I was NOT talking Politics in the way that creates tension on this website with the False Left Right Paradigm, like KR and HH do all of the time, and I was given the boot because Bryan/Prana, once again, is NOT doing his job as the Moderator of this website and succumbs to complaints by taking the easy way out.

Bryan, I think it’s time that you gave yourself a VACATION!!!

John Rose Wrote:
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> Hey Bryan,
>
> This is at least the 2nd time that you have been
> DUPED by the same Internet Shill!!!


I did not request nor pm for anyone to clean up this site. I am just thanking Prana for warning of doing it and will not be unhappy if he carries out on the promise.

It would be nice if all the holocaust denial/"Hitler wasn't a bad guy" batshit crazy comments from you and sproutman vanished but I haven't requested that of anyone either. Never did, Rose. You are making it up.

I see that you are still relying on the Ignorance of the masses, well, that won't last much longer because more and more of us are waking up!!!

For those of you who really want to understand what the 20th Century was all about and what might be in store for all of us in the 21st Century be sure to read this thread - [www.rawfoodsupport.com] !!!

John Rose Wrote:
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> I see that you are still relying on the Ignorance
> of the masses, well, that won't last much longer
> because more and more of us are waking up!!!
>
> For those of you who really want to understand
> what the 20th Century was all about and what might
> be in store for all of us in the 21st Century be
> sure to read this thread -
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
> !!!

You have shown that it makes no difference to you that you have lied about me to suit your purposes.

I have no reason to suspect that you know right from wrong or wouldn't say whatever you feel will work to have people believe you.

If you want to continue to smear people with lies I wish you would do it with your bunker buddies at a more appropriate venue but really it's no big deal to me either way. Your walls of rambling posts are easily immediately detectable and avoidable by just scrolling past them. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned this.

<<<You have shown that it makes no difference to you that you have lied about me to suit your purposes.>>>

I have never lied about you. I am, however, guilty of assuming that you complained to Prana in this Thread because you said Thank You to him, just like you did when you complained about a Thread that had EVERYTHING to do with Raw Food moved over into the Grave Yard Forum that gets hardly any activity. At least, in the other Thread, Prana confirmed that you complained because he thanked you!

So if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

Speaking of those who DO LIE and do so OFTEN - PL has also LIED so many times on this Forum that it’s not even funny - it’s SAD. If PL wants to contest this, which I know he won’t, I can provide examples to Prove it and he cannot provide Proof to deny it.

Once again, for those of you who really want to understand what the 20th Century was all about and what might be in store for all of us in the 21st Century be sure to read this thread - [www.rawfoodsupport.com] !!! This is really important information that every needs to know!!! There are 3 Videos and I transcribed over 90% of it.

>Right, that's GOTTA be it. You can't discredit the evidence because there's way too much of it from a variety of different sources for all types of super foods.

people quote studies about superfoods, implying that they are critical for metal toxicity or whatever.

I stated 3 things.

1. that they are sponsored by the suppliers (thus impacting their objectivity)

2. that other foods do the same thing as the superfood (and you didn't have to SAY that other foods don't do the same thing - it is IMPLIED by the person attributing magic effects to superfoods)

3. that they are expensive

Then, I showed evidence of ALL above claims.

My point is that if that was so easy, then it is highly likely that I could do the same for any number of alleged superfoods.

And if I were to do that, you would come up with some other rationalization, because it is part of your belief system. you cannot bear to think otherwise.

And I am accused of being "negative", when those posting misleading studies are given a free pass for being credulous and misleading.

unlike you, I do not criticize people's diets.
I make comments countering myths about certain healing claims of superfoods and
the like.

And the point of a food log thread is so that people can be free to post
without feeling they are going to be criticized for what they eat for lunch.

it's a way to share.

instead what we get, on an allegedly popular raw food group, 5 people posting what they eat in a day. that's kind of sad.

instead, you and powerlifter have used that as a platform to make baseless criticisms and THEN act offended when people rebut your claims.

powerlifter makes a criticism about anon101 and then wonders why anon responds in a way that suits him.

did powerlifter ever consider not making that kind of comment to a person who has expressed multiple times that he is not interested?

and then powerlifter claims to be so offended? how transparent.
does powerlifter think himself so innocent? poking the tiger?
why did you eat me, mr tiger? I was just poking you to see if you would react and I could then accuse you of being a nasty "carnivore"!! innocent old me!

interestingly neither you nor powerlifter have posted your food log, WHILE criticizing others. is that because I want to criticize YOUR food log? not at all. it's like the person criticizing the looks of someone on the internet while remaining faceless.

> Lay off the dates and bananas!

let me understand this. you want me to stop eating dates and bananas? because you disagree with statements I make? because I'm "immature"?


>Where can I find phycocyanin in fruits and vegetables (since were on the topic of spirulina)?

still stuck on that? I do not know and do not care, because it is not necessary.
or did you not see the study that I posted on calcium and lowering metal load?


> What other 'regular' foods besides goji berries stimulate the secretion of HGH or have the nutrient-density found in goji berries?


you're hopeless


>A lot of these super foods are fruits, so I don't even know why you have such a tough time accepting this reality.

I see, it's a reality! it's a FACT!
according to brian clement, I mean jtprindl.. jeez...

> I have never lied about you.

This is but another lies. And I am not a shill either.

I am, however,
> guilty of assuming that you complained to Prana in
> this Thread because you said Thank You to him...

Once again, I did not complain to Prana about you on this or the other thread either.

I did complain to him on that thread - but about him! I though he had taken off another poster's post but he set me straight on that. It turned out the other poster had requested he remove that post for them.


At least, in the other
> Thread, Prana confirmed that you complained
> because he thanked you!


I thought, but don't know, that he thanked me for what I said I regards to your bat @#$%& craziness as his response to your endless tedious boring secondhand regurgitated ramblings there were similar in flavor to what I said. In any case your assumptions are over the top bat @#$%& crazy on every scale from worldwide to personal and you don't seem to worry your hot head about that at all.

<<< powerlifter makes a criticism about anon101 and then wonders why anon responds in a way that suits him.

did powerlifter ever consider not making that kind of comment to a person who has expressed multiple times that he is not interested?

and then powerlifter claims to be so offended? how transparent.
does powerlifter think himself so innocent? poking the tiger?
why did you eat me, mr tiger? I was just poking you to see if you would react and I could then accuse you of being a nasty "carnivore"!! innocent old me!>>>

You nailed it!!!

Once again, Bryan has NO IDEA what’s going on and is in a desperate need for a VACATION from this website, but instead of banning the one trouble maker known as PL who LIES almost every time he turns around, he’ll probably end up banning one of his victims. Bryan, you are being played like a fiddle.

Let’s review this Thread.

On one side, we have at least 7 people that PL has ANTAGONIZED in this Thread alone!!! There’s jtprindl, THeSt0rm, vermontnl, anon101, Panchito, fresh & JR.

And on the other side, we have PL and SueZ.

Need I say more?

fresh Wrote:
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> instead, you and powerlifter have used that as a
> platform to make baseless criticisms and THEN act
> offended when people rebut your claims.
>
> powerlifter makes a criticism about anon101 and
> then wonders why anon responds in a way that suits
> him.

Lets get this straight fresh, i couldn't give a damn if you rebuttal my claims on any topic, thats the whole point of the forum in the first place is to share different ideas and opinions.

The problem is that yourself, anon101/john Rose and a few of the others can't do that without getting aggressive and resorting to personal insults.

For what its worth i didn't report his posts or complain to Prana.

This thread should be stickyed as a bonafide example, i even praised raw foods in the original post. 10 pages of completely un-necessary heat and insults over saying that most of these diets were new creations and a lack of science being there to validate them. Big deal, get over it.

Hardly rationale behavior especially from John Rose who needs a chill pill ASAP by the looks of it.



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