Even if we were to just forget about oxidation, blending still destroys nutrition and enzymes, and you're drinking roughage.

I blend and juice everyday. Doing good.

Panchito Wrote:
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> I blend and juice everyday. Doing good.


A lot of people do well on blending because it's still way better than the Standard American Diet, but it's not optimal. If you enjoy it, though, keep doing it, just try to reduce blending time to as little as possible.

SueZ Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
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> > Well done, suez, certainly greens appear to
> > oxidize much less than fruit.
>
>
> Thank you. Since the time I did these tests I
> have not read of one single other person doing
> them for themselves yet the myth lives on.


I think the main reasons people get into trouble with blending is because of using poor blending techniques they've learned by watching YouTube videos of hot-dogging gurus and adding things to the mix they shouldn't.

I still see people recommending crazy things like to add lemon juice because the vitamin C will preserve the greens from oxidizing. Sometimes these very same people recommend sprinkling tough veggies like kale with lemon juice to tenderize the greens. They seem not to have put in any experimenting time and are going mostly on what they've read and heard without understanding much, IMO.

The bigger question is what made fruit less optimal for human consumption?
Did the humans change?
Did the fruits change?
Naturally fruit was made for human consumption
An apple fits perfectly in our hand.

"An apple fits perfectly in our hand."

What about jackfruit lol

having an opinion does ont make it right. Here:

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


jtprindl Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I blend and juice everyday. Doing good.
>
>
> A lot of people do well on blending because it's
> still way better than the Standard American Diet,
> but it's not optimal. If you enjoy it, though,
> keep doing it, just try to reduce blending time to
> as little as possible.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Even if we were to just forget about oxidation,
> blending still destroys nutrition and enzymes, and
> you're drinking roughage.

Blending is kind of similar to cooking your food actually. If microwaving destroys life force, and blending destroys life force, then cooking isn't too much different.

Raw vegans who do blended foods aren't much different from SAD eaters...they both destroy life force in their foods and are convenience based eaters.

Blending may increase energy, but why? I think it is because the food is broken up better than chewing and it doesn't take as much effort to pass through the body.

People can eat all cooked food and do o.k and get good energy, but it will always be some compromise involved.

*tongue in cheek comment* you blended food people are all cooked. I'm cooked, woofy is cooked...nearly all of us are cooked. Lets not get on our high horses here...lets see ourselves for the low level eaters that we really are. I need to greatly lift my game and have a long way to go, but at least l am aware and ackowledge my dubious eating habits.

Everyone against blending but everyone blends. Funny.

anyone here never blend or juice?

e ....bigger question is what made fruit less optimal for human consumption? 

based on what

?...And blending destroys life force.

I suppose that it makes sense for you to continuously make dubious claims
since that is exactly what clement does.

such negativity and extremeism. Sad

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even if we were to just forget about oxidation,
> > blending still destroys nutrition and enzymes,
> and
> > you're drinking roughage.
>
> Blending is kind of similar to cooking your food
> actually. If microwaving destroys life force, and
> blending destroys life force, then cooking isn't
> too much different.
>
> Raw vegans who do blended foods aren't much
> different from SAD eaters...they both destroy life
> force in their foods and are convenience based
> eaters.
>
> Blending may increase energy, but why? I think it
> is because the food is broken up better than
> chewing and it doesn't take as much effort to pass
> through the body.
>
> People can eat all cooked food and do o.k and get
> good energy, but it will always be some compromise
> involved.
>
> *tongue in cheek comment* you blended food people
> are all cooked. I'm cooked, woofy is
> cooked...nearly all of us are cooked. Lets not get
> on our high horses here...lets see ourselves for
> the low level eaters that we really are. I need to
> greatly lift my game and have a long way to go,
> but at least l am aware and ackowledge my dubious
> eating habits.


Totally made up BS fairytale. Absolutely not a shred of evidence pointing in this direction. It's as bad as saying freezing food kills it's life force and just as meaningless.

SueZ Wrote:
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> I think the main reasons people get into
> trouble with blending is because of using poor
> blending techniques they've learned by watching
> YouTube videos of hot-dogging gurus and adding
> things to the mix they shouldn't.


Yes. But it is also this dubious practise of drinking blended food with chewing and swishing it in your mouth. To see such dubious teachings, let's watch the first 3 seconds of this video from a "fruit bat".

[www.youtube.com]

The `bike rider' and many others also do the same. And lets not forget what Dr Caldwell Esselstyn said regarding this highly dubious practise regarding the ill effects of not utilising carbohydrate enzymes in our mouths as a major function in digestion. Bad habits being taught everywhere by raw gurus.

Fruit and greens = bad combination in my experience. Only did it once.

Nuts and seeds blended = bad combination. Reduces energy.

Grains with nut or seeds = bad combination, reduces energy and not harmonic digestion.

And low and behold...I later discover that Dr Clement mentions exactly the same things.

The point is..be aware of the effects of foods and combinations on your body. But how many have that awareness? Not many. Why? Because they practise dubious combinations and eating methods and are used to it. It's just like how SAD eaters are used to dubious combinations and eating practises....the body adjusts to the abuse.

And people say - but...but...monkeys roll fruit up in leaves and eat it. I just say...maybe the monkeys can digest that combination well, OR, maybe the monkeys better start waking up and adopt better eating habits too. If humans can adopt funny eating habits, then why can't the animals. I've seen programs of animals in the wild eating all types of crazy things, eg, plant eating animals being recorded eating their own species when there is still plant food around. Low vibration world = crazy habits.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> The bigger question is what made fruit less
> optimal for human consumption?
> Did the humans change?
> Did the fruits change?
> Naturally fruit was made for human consumption
> An apple fits perfectly in our hand.

Was fruit ever optimal for human consumption? Was said to have been woody and bitter originally, so hardly optimal. These days it doesn't have good nutrition for a modern day world of stress/high pollution/less nutritious soils. It is also highly sugary, and given decent arguments towards the pancreatic disfunction of modern day man made by medical journals and Dr Clement's observations (Brian says he sees a person with optimnal pancreatic functioning about once every six years), it makes sence to be eating fruit in very very limited amounts.

Fruits = not nutiritious, not usually ripe, not usually fresh, full of sugar and not optimal for modern man with less than optimal pancreatic function.

So...did human change? Yes! Did fruits change? Yes!

Was fruit made for human consumption? Originally no. Then it was hydridised and probably became more suitable to eat. Then it was hybridised more and become unsuitable to eat again.

Then the question is how are the super nutritious food(sprouts and micro greens) eaten?
Not blended but eaten in salads?
Any blended salad dressings?

SueZ Wrote:
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>
>
> Totally made up BS fairytale. Absolutely not a
> shred of evidence pointing in this direction.

The blended water experiment says much. The blended greens v's greens juicing says much.



>It's
> as bad as saying freezing food kills it's life
> force and just as meaningless.

Freezing food does effect nutrient levels. Some vitamins aren't absorbed well, and some levels are lowered. Various phytochemicals are inactivated by freezing also according to science papers.

In summery, when you freeze you are not getting the full effect of the food because of the reasons mentioned just above. Shouldn't we be eating food for the full effect instead of a partial effect?

I recall reading a study years ago where cows eating grass would suffer B2 deficiencies during the winter when the grass was iced up. Oh yes, freezing food is not our friend, much better to eat real food instead of food that looks like real food but doesn't function as real food.

We like to do all this convenient stuff, but lets get real about this and recognise the short comings of such dubious practises.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> Then the question is how are the super nutritious
> food(sprouts and micro greens) eaten?



Cold pressed sprouted nut and seed pastes on a salad in conjuction with juicing before a meal. or, sprouted grain/bean/greens salad with sea vegetables in conjuction with a green juice before the meal taken with either some fermented food or a probiotic and digestive enzymes if needed.


That is the ideal way to be eating in this day and age.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/29/2014 10:09PM by The Sproutarian Man.

?..blended water experiment says much. The blended greens v's greens juicing says much


show the experiment.
as of now its an anecdote. Once removed from the source.
so its less than an anecdote.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> In summery, when you freeze you are not getting
> the full effect of the food because of the reasons
> mentioned just above. Shouldn't we be eating food
> for the full effect instead of a partial effect?

> We like to do all this convenient stuff, but lets
> get real about this and recognise the short
> comings of such dubious practises.

PLEASE STOP THIS MADDNESS. Do you know how many higher animals, including humans, would not be walking this earth right now had someone not frozen them as fertilized eggs? Does not even that give you pause? Seriously, this crazy talk is just made up craziness. Nothing more.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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>
>
> > In summery, when you freeze you are not getting
> > the full effect of the food because of the
> reasons
> > mentioned just above. Shouldn't we be eating
> food
> > for the full effect instead of a partial effect?
>
>
> > We like to do all this convenient stuff, but
> lets
> > get real about this and recognise the short
> > comings of such dubious practises.
>
> PLEASE STOP THIS MADDNESS. Do you know how many
> higher animals, including humans, would not be
> walking this earth right now had someone not
> frozen them as fertilized eggs? Does not even that
> give you pause? Seriously, this crazy talk is just
> made up craziness. Nothing more.


I just mention the science and common sense when talking about the effects of freezing food. You may call it madness, but l am sure others will see the common sense in what l am saying.

I am not here to talk about eggs and such things, l am here to talk about harnessing the optimal power from plants.

I won't be responding to anymore over-emotional nonsense talk Suez.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/29/2014 10:23PM by The Sproutarian Man.

Panchito Wrote:
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> having an opinion does ont make it right. Here:
>
> [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
>
>
> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Panchito Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I blend and juice everyday. Doing good.
> >
> >
> > A lot of people do well on blending because
> it's
> > still way better than the Standard American
> Diet,
> > but it's not optimal. If you enjoy it, though,
> > keep doing it, just try to reduce blending time
> to
> > as little as possible.


What about it? I said blending was not optimal.

Some foods are ok frozen. Avo is one bc of high fat ,
and nuts and seeds
others like bananas are not.

I like juicing frozen bananas from time to time.

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> I like juicing frozen bananas from time to time.


sure, I used to make frozen banana ice cream.
I meant that bananas will degrade faster than
avos and nuts and seeds. so any discussion
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like this....

LEASE STOP THIS MADDNESS. Do you know how many
> higher animals, including humans, would not be
> walking this earth right now had someone not
> frozen them as fertilized eggs? Does not even that
> give you pause? Seriously, this crazy talk is just
> made up craziness. Nothing more.


I just mention the science and common sense when talking about the effects of freezing food. You may call it madness, but l am sure others will see the common sense in what l am saying.
-----------------------------------


would need to qualify
the actual food being frozen.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Yes. But it is also this dubious practise of
> drinking blended food with chewing and swishing it
> in your mouth. To see such dubious teachings,
> let's watch the first 3 seconds of this video from
> a "fruit bat".
>
> [www.youtube.com]

I'm pretty sure you meant to type "without chewing" rather than "chewing" as she didn't chew - I'm just pointing this out for clarifying.


> The `bike rider' and many others also do the same.
> And lets not forget what Dr Caldwell Esselstyn
> said regarding this highly dubious practise
> regarding the ill effects of not utilising
> carbohydrate enzymes in our mouths as a major
> function in digestion.

Who has to remember what Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn said about this as we all learned about how and where our food was digested in 8th grade science class, didn't we? Am I the only one who remembers having to draw charts of where and when different components of a meal were broken down while I was still in middle school? This is such an elementary thing. I hope we were all taught it as children - but now I'm beginning to wonder when I see this common knowledge attributed to a specific person. This is such a simple thing to compensate for when eating blended foods that it is in no way a strike against blending just because they can be eaten too quickly in that form.

> Fruit and greens = bad combination in my
> experience. Only did it once.

So it's categorically bad for every fruit combined with every veggie for every person on every day in everyone's life? That is such a leap of an assumption based on only one try. Maybe you were just having a bad digestion day from some previous meal or something.
>
> Nuts and seeds blended = bad combination. Reduces
> energy.

Which nuts and seeds are bad to combine? Reduces who's energy? This is just a cryptic fragment of some disembodied dogma that is impossible to understand for those of us who are uninitiated. Everybody in my yard, including me, who eats nuts and seeds together has enough energy. In fact everyone in my yard who eats seeds and nuts together are superb athletes who even run up and down trees with ease after eating these foods together - except me.

>
> Grains with nut or seeds = bad combination,
> reduces energy and not harmonic digestion.

Harmonic digestion? What, for us uninitiated, does this mean exactly?

>
> And low and behold...I later discover that Dr
> Clement mentions exactly the same things.


Maybe both of you suffer from the same ailments. It's certainly happened before. According to Tavis, and I have no idea if he's right or wrong, parasites just love fermented foods - they are right up their alley.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2014 01:33AM by SueZ.

The sprout boy is not impressed by logic of this nature.
its part and parcel of the whole spiritual thing.

TSM, in fact Tavis says not to eat fermented foods at all as they lower conductivity.

Maybe you and Dr. Clement suffer from an overgrowth of parasites that are making you think fermented foods are what you should be eating so they can get you to feed them. Parasites are very tricky that way you know. Might want to check into it.

fresh Wrote:
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> The sprout boy is not impressed by logic of this
> nature.
> its part and parcel of the whole spiritual thing.


The thing that gets me about his brand of spiritual thing is that it doesn't seem spiritual at all to me. For one of many things, for instance, I can't see how it makes sense to him, on a spiritual level either, to call fermented foods raw and drinking urine wholesome. It just sounds like parasites talking their hosts into such behaviors. I think TSM needs to take some time to read Parasite Rex. Now, if not sooner...

[www.amazon.com]

[www.vanderbilt.edu]

"Urine, 95% of which is water, 2.5% of which is urea, and 2.5% of which is a mixture of minerals, salts, hormones, and enzymes, is not a toxic waste product. Urine is a blood byproduct and though it contains some body waste, it is non-toxic."

"The small amount of toxins that are found in urine are not abundant enough to be toxic to the body. When you drink your own urine, it does not go directly to the blood stream. First it goes into the digestive system where its ingredients are sorted out. Then, the useful ingredients are recycled while the toxins are rejected. When the level of toxins becomes too high, the toxins stimulate the intestines into flushing themselves out to eliminate any stagnated excrements accumulated in the colon. Although we could probably filter out the toxins before drinking the urine, the toxins are needed because they stimulate a cleansing reaction in the body. Urine, which remember, is a byproduct of our blood, becomes more purified the more it is recycled. Thus, the cleaner the blood is, the cleaner the urine is, and vice-versa. And this is how urine therapy advocates conclude that urine therapy has a cleansing effect on the blood."


Tons of anecdotal evidence regarding urine therapy.

That book looks good.

and now after all the ranting about blending, tsm just said he is blending.
I wouldnt have thought that. What are you blending tsm.
not fruit I hope. Store bought? Nooooooooooo

jtprindl Wrote:
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> [www.vanderbilt.edu]
> ychology/Urine_Therapy.htm
>
> "Urine, 95% of which is water, 2.5% of which is
> urea, and 2.5% of which is a mixture of minerals,
> salts, hormones, and enzymes, is not a toxic waste
> product. Urine is a blood byproduct and though it
> contains some body waste, it is non-toxic."
>
> "The small amount of toxins that are found in
> urine are not abundant enough to be toxic to the
> body. When you drink your own urine, it does not
> go directly to the blood stream. First it goes
> into the digestive system where its ingredients
> are sorted out. Then, the useful ingredients are
> recycled while the toxins are rejected. When the
> level of toxins becomes too high, the toxins
> stimulate the intestines into flushing themselves
> out to eliminate any stagnated excrements
> accumulated in the colon. Although we could
> probably filter out the toxins before drinking the
> urine, the toxins are needed because they
> stimulate a cleansing reaction in the body. Urine,
> which remember, is a byproduct of our blood,
> becomes more purified the more it is recycled.
> Thus, the cleaner the blood is, the cleaner the
> urine is, and vice-versa. And this is how urine
> therapy advocates conclude that urine therapy has
> a cleansing effect on the blood."
>
>
> Tons of anecdotal evidence regarding urine
> therapy.


Why not juice your scheit and drink that?
even more powerful cleansing wouldnt u think?