I don't know why, but for some reason, I seem to be blocked from La Veronique's thread "Digestive Juices effect on Raw Enzymes..." I posted on the same thread once before, and it went through.

This hasn't happened before, so I was wondering if you have any idea about it or if anything can be done from my end. No problem though, if you're busy.

suncloud Wrote:
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> I don't know why, but for some reason, I seem to
> be blocked from La Veronique's thread "Digestive
> Juices effect on Raw Enzymes..." I posted on the
> same thread once before, and it went through.
>
> This hasn't happened before, so I was wondering if
> you have any idea about it or if anything can be
> done from my end. No problem though, if you're
> busy.


Suncloud, you can post what you want to post in that thread here and I will copy it to the raw enzyme thread if you want me to. I just posted in the Enzyme thread so, so far, it's still working for me.

Suncloud, there is no way to block a person from just one thread. It could be a bug in your browser. Try quitting the browser and restarting it. Or perhaps restart your computer. Or try emptying the cache, quitting and restarting.

SueZ, Thanks for your kind offer! I think this might confuse other readers though - two threads with the same post/posts - so I'll pass for now. Very thoughtful of you though!

Thank you Prana! Unfortunately, I've restarted my computer several times with the same result: a window saying "Phorum Database Error" and then a bunch of gobbledygook. Today I tried emptying the cache, and there was no change.

Oh well! Thanks again anyway!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2014 03:39AM by suncloud.

Download a different browser. Chrome, Maxthon, ...

Hi RawPracticalist. Thanks for your suggestion. It sounded good, so I tried Chrome and Firefox. Same result.

Oh well.

Thanks temp for your suggestion (see below)! I think I'll just start another thread, so no need for further work on Prana's part. It's probably something coming from my own computer, but just in case it's helpful for site maintenance, here's the message I get:

Phorum Database Error
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Hi temp. Thanks! I think you must be right. I just tried starting a new thread with it, and I got the same message.

I'll look through it and see if I can find anything unusual to take out.

Thanks again.

You were right temp! I took out the "approximately" sign that I had in there. It's a little wavy line I used from a character map. Just one little wavy line causing all that trouble!

Sorry to be a bother, and thanks people for your help!

suncloud

<<Just one little wavy line causing all that trouble!>>

sheesh! its always the little things that go by unnoticed that have monumental effects