We have Natural Hygienist on this forum and I believe Prana is one or close to that.

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Why would there be health problem if you follow natural laws in eating and living.



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> We have Natural Hygienist on this forum and I
> believe Prana is one or close to that.
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
>
> Why would there be health problem if you follow
> natural laws in eating and living.


The Natural Hygiene diet is not following the natural laws in eating and living. For one, it would be very hard for humans to survive, let alone thrive on a vegan diet if we were living in hunter-gatherer days. Two, our natural ways of eating would be eating truly FRESH foods, meaning we pick them from the bush/tree/ground and eat them immediately... the Natural Hygiene diet is rich in store-bought produce which lacks electrical frequency and oxygen. Three, various long-term deficiencies which can be absolutely devastating, such as DHA, B12, zinc, and iodine.

How do you explain that the modern natural hygienists are doing well.

The like of Prana, Dr Vetrano, and Doug Graham. More than 15 years and they are doing very well.

Your arguments are more like Powerlifter reincarnated.



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> How do you explain that the modern natural
> hygienists are doing well.
>
> The like of Prana, Dr Vetrano, and Doug Graham.
> More than 15 years and they are doing very well.


Like I said, it seems to take many decades before some of the chronic issues take place. Will it happen to 100% of people who follow a strict 80/10/10 NH diet? Probably not (but maybe), but where are all of the 80, 90, 100+ year olds who have been living like that for most of their lives? Annette Larkins grows most of her own food, including sprouts, and juices a lot, so it's not a surprise to see her doing very well. I don't know how well any of those people are doing and I don't know exactly what their diet consists of and who's to say they are doing well? Has Dr. Vetrano or Douglas Graham recently made certain tests available to the public which shows their nutrient levels are sufficient?



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vegan, wild, hunter-gatherer, fresh as you define it, oxygen, electrical frequency
have nothing to do with NH principles


> Three, various long-term deficiencies which can be absolutely devastating, such as DHA, B12, zinc, and iodine.

yes , so what? are you and powerlifter one and the same?



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"yes , so what?"

So what about long-term deficiencies? I'd say that's a pretty important area to cover when it comes to your diet.

"are you and powerlifter one and the same?"

No, I'm just a realist.

"vegan, wild, hunter-gatherer, fresh, oxygen, electrical frequency
have nothing to do with NH principles"

Cool?

"Three, various long-term deficiencies which can be absolutely devastating, such as DHA, B12, zinc, and iodine."

In the SAD world, fried oil, fried meat, pizza are more devastating.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> "Three, various long-term deficiencies which can
> be absolutely devastating, such as DHA, B12, zinc,
> and iodine."
>
> In the SAD world, fried oil, fried meat, pizza are
> more devastating.


Are they? Long-term B12 deficiency can result in elevated levels of homocysteine, which can cause dementia, heart disease, and stroke. Long-term DHA deficiency can result in neurological problems. Long-term zinc deficiency can cause copper toxicity, which can result in schizophrenia. Zinc deficiency can also cause macular degeneration, weakened immune system, and damaged nerves. Iodine deficiency impairs thyroid function (which can in turn lower cognition) and hormonal balance.

I'm all for raw vegan diets, but they must be WELL PLANNED or you are setting yourself up for disaster. Eating just store-bought fruits and vegetables is very likely going to be devastating in the long run, which is what the NH diet emphasizes and thus NOT well planned.

[www.sciencedaily.com]

The truth about the SAD health condition:
Heart Disease

Quote

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The statistics in the SAD world are worse.



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>I'm all for raw vegan diets, but they must be WELL PLANNED or you are setting yourself up for disaster.


all diets must be well planned.


>Eating just store-bought fruits and vegetables is very likely going to be devastating in the long run,

>which is what the NH diet emphasizes and thus NOT well planned.

false again.

"all diets must be well planned."

Exactly.

"false again."

The Natural Hygiene diet isn't rich in store-bought fruits and veggies?

you say "exactly", but when you post your message like that it's like you're singling out NH (and there is no such thing as a NH diet really, there's a lot of variance)

and secondly, you said NH "emphasizes" store bought fruits.

it does not.

the principles are independent of that .

And the practical application (which will be your next comment) of the "NH" diet would vary tremendously depending on the person and environment.

"And the practical application (which will be your next comment) of the "NH" diet would vary tremendously depending on the person and environment."

And are any of them well-planned and nutritionally complete, especially in today's day and age where environmental pollution, radiation, stress, etc. is taxing the human body?

"the principles are independent of that ."

The point was that the majority of food most NH people eat is store-bought fruits and vegetables. And what exactly are all of the NH principles?



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> "And the practical application (which will be your
> next comment) of the "NH" diet would vary
> tremendously depending on the person and
> environment."
>
> And are any of them well-planned and nutritionally
> complete, especially in today's day and age where
> environmental pollution, radiation, stress, etc.
> is taxing the human body?
>

you seem to be concerned about other people and other diets.

I can only answer for myself that my diet is the best I can do under all circumstances that exist at this time, and I am thriving magnificently.

I trust that others are doing the best they can within their own realms.

> "the principles are independent of that ."
>
> The point was that the majority of food most NH
> people eat is store-bought fruits and vegetables.

you can concern yourself with examining others and their food majorities if you want.

DG has a very large garden for example... you may consider him NH.

many ways to describe/define NH. whole ripe raw organic plants one at a time is one way. it's a target/ideal not a prescription.

the only reason fruit predominates is caloric needs and desire to avoid juicing.

"I can only answer for myself that my diet is the best I can do under all circumstances that exist at this time, and I am thriving magnificently."

How do you define "thriving"? Obviously nobody else but you knows if that's true or not as we don't know you, your exact diet, or nutrient levels, but I hope you are.

"I trust that others are doing the best they can within their own realms."

As do I, I don't think someone who's health oriented would intentionally harm themselves.

"it's a target/ideal not a prescription."

I'd say it's a bit of both, as the principles (or at least many of its followers) rejects certain things such as super foods, algae's, garlic (among others), juicing, etc. How people can still believe juicing is unhealthy is beyond me.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> "I can only answer for myself that my diet is the
> best I can do under all circumstances that exist
> at this time, and I am thriving magnificently."
>
> How do you define "thriving"? Obviously nobody
> else but you knows if that's true or not as we
> don't know you, your exact diet, or nutrient
> levels, but I hope you are.
>


> "I trust that others are doing the best they can
> within their own realms."
>
> As do I, I don't think someone who's health
> oriented would intentionally harm themselves.
>
> "it's a target/ideal not a prescription."
>
> I'd say it's a bit of both, as the principles (or
> at least many of its followers) rejects certain
> things such as super foods, algae's, garlic (among
> others), juicing, etc. How people can still
> believe juicing is unhealthy is beyond me.


I meant prescription as in matching exactly those qualities all the time.

juicing: it's like saying "eating mushrooms unhealthy". maybe not unhealthy but got better things to do.

juicing is for those who are nutrient oriented. one of the primary NH principles is can I happily eat it whole? juicing bypasses this critical feedback and can result in ingesting things that one should not and /or quantities that one should not. it's a separation from the bodily sensations. doesn't mean not to juice once in a while but not regularly.

adios

"juicing bypasses this critical feedback and can result in ingesting things that one should not and /or quantities that one should not."

Hence well-planned. Juicing allows for the body to obtain high levels of nutrition (pounds of vegetables/sprouts/grass) that are easily assimilated. Your body not only absorbs nearly all of the nutrients but doesn't have to spend energy/enzymes digesting food. Outside of certain grasses like wheatgrass, if you can juice it, you can eat it. Just because juicing is a new innovation and we didn't do it as hunter-gatherer's, that doesn't mean it's not healthy. Nutrients are very important regardless of what diet you're on. If one lives on a MOSTLY liquid diet, that would actually be much healthier than eating 100% of your food, for the reasons I mentioned above. One or two small meals per day and a lot (to a limit) of rotated sprout, grass, fresh vegetable juice is likely optimal.

"maybe not unhealthy but got better things to do."

Ok?



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why not just inject the juice into your bloodstream?
see, you're thinking about it, right?
so many assumptions you take as truth...
seems tragic to me. little enjoyment of food.
yes I know you've got work to do, sprout heavens to create,
enjoying your food means addiction. whatever.
as long as it's working for you it's all good.

adios, adios.

"seems tragic to me. little enjoyment of food."

Juice is food.

"enjoying your food means addiction. whatever."

Huh?

i've been making a good dressing with two oranges, a small piece of ginger and garlic, and three dates, blended well. add herbs too!

jtprindl

have u alighted upon a good avocado garlic dressing?

i'djust blend it all with lemon juice

la_veronique Wrote:
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> jtprindl
>
> have u alighted upon a good avocado garlic
> dressing?
>
> i'djust blend it all with lemon juice


Had my first crack at it today, I used one avocado, a clove of garlic, half red bell pepper, and a little water... tasted alright. Used it on a broccoli sprout salad. Might use a little more garlic and red bell pepper next time. How much lemon juice would you use and does it replace the water?

jtprindl Wrote:
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> la_veronique Wrote:
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> > jtprindl
> >
> > have u alighted upon a good avocado garlic
> > dressing?
> >
> > i'djust blend it all with lemon juice
>
>
> Had my first crack at it today, I used one
> avocado, a clove of garlic, half red bell pepper,
> and a little water... tasted alright. Used it on a
> broccoli sprout salad. Might use a little more
> garlic and red bell pepper next time. How much
> lemon juice would you use and does it replace the
> water?


Here's one I posted two weeks ago. Instead of the xylitol you can use a cup and a half of orange juice to replace that and the water. If you use less oil it would probably be a good idea to cut down on the spices and garlic. You don't have to soak the seaweed first if you have a high speed blender just break them into smaller pieces if you want to.

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> suez
>
> what's your favorite dressing that u mix with the
> salad

1.5 C. water
15 grams of Dulse
1 T. xylitol
4 cloves garlic
1 t. Himalayan salt
1 t. turmeric
1 t. cayenne pepper
1 large red bell pepper
1 small avocado


.25 C. oil drizzled on top to swirl in as I eat.

I rotate my oils. My favorite for this dressing is pumpkin seed oil.

I rotate my seaweeds. On days when I am using the brown seaweeds I add an extra half cup of water.



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"1.5 C. water
15 grams of Dulse
1 T. xylitol
4 cloves garlic
1 t. Himalayan salt
1 t. turmeric
1 t. cayenne pepper
1 large red bell pepper
1 small avocado"

I was actually thinking as I was eating that it could use a little bit of a salty flavor and thought about adding dulse in the future. Do you use all of that dressing in one salad? I didn't add curcumin this time since it was my first attempt and didn't want to waste any if things didn't go well. What kind of scale do you use to weigh out how much sprouts/seaweeds you're using?

Dressing takes a lot work.
Why not just eat the avocado and the garlic.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Dressing takes a lot work.
> Why not just eat the avocado and the garlic.

You are as wrong as can be.
The dressing I just posted takes two minutes, at most, to make in a VitaMix for instance.

jtprindl

it depends on how soury you want it to taste
but one avo for one lemon is good


glad you enjoyed your broccoli sprouts with the dressing

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "1.5 C. water
> 15 grams of Dulse
> 1 T. xylitol
> 4 cloves garlic
> 1 t. Himalayan salt
> 1 t. turmeric
> 1 t. cayenne pepper
> 1 large red bell pepper
> 1 small avocado"
>
> I was actually thinking as I was eating that it
> could use a little bit of a salty flavor and
> thought about adding dulse in the future. Do you
> use all of that dressing in one salad? I didn't
> add curcumin this time since it was my first
> attempt and didn't want to waste any if things
> didn't go well. What kind of scale do you use to
> weigh out how much sprouts/seaweeds you're using?


Yes, I use all of it at once. It's about 5 1/2 cups worth. I like to blend everything together but the avocado which I add at the end when everything else has been blended so it doesn't get too fluffy. All of the ingredients go very well together and this one doesn't go well with lemon, IMO, it throws it off.

Everyone is different but for me limes go better with avocados than lemons do for most other recipes.

I use an Ohaus CS200 scale in the kitchen. It's worked out great for me for over 2 years now and I haven't had to change the batteries or recalibrate it yet. I like that it weighs down to 0.1 Grams and zeros out.

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Thats 5.5.cups of seaweed?sounds like seaweed dressing :-P do you ttaste the avocado?

1.5 C. water
15 grams of Dulse
1 T. xylitol
4 cloves garlic
1 t. Himalayan salt
1 t. turmeric
1 t. cayenne pepper
1 large red bell pepper
1 small avocado

That is more like a lot suffering for a little gain.
turmeric? xylitol? these items are miles away
and cayenne pepper burns.



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