Deceptions caught about new age cholesterol theories spinned

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> Deceptions caught about new age cholesterol
> theories spinned
>
> VID 16:09
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> [www.youtube.com]


What the heck is wrong with that guys voice? I know what's wrong with the rest of his spiel.

It's also annoying that after all this time this thread maker still has as yet to acknowledge there is a difference between oils that are raw and oils off the grocery store shelf which most of these studies, and Greiger, seem oblivious to, too. It is not an insignificant point.

Suez, I am glad you find him interesting. You can read more here: [www.drmcdougall.com]

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Another very popular journal article among the low-carbers and saturated fat apologists is explored in detail in the following two videos. This one may be the single most frequently cited study nowadays by those seeking to convince you to consume more artery-damaging saturated fats. Dr. Patty Siri-Tarino and her well-regarded coauthors told the world that “there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk” of coronary heart disease or cardiovascular disease. They arrived at this contrarian conclusion after reviewing only the research produced from prospective epidemiologic studies; all other research was disregarded. In these two videos I’ll show you those studies on which that conclusion was based. Their paper is a great example of how much mischief can be made by the injudicious use of statistics.

Panchito Wrote:
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> Suez, I am glad you find him interesting. You can
> read more here:
> [www.drmcdougall.com]
> ive-video-series/
>
> Another very popular journal article among the
> low-carbers and saturated fat apologists is
> explored in detail in the following two videos.
> This one may be the single most frequently cited
> study nowadays by those seeking to convince you to
> consume more artery-damaging saturated fats. Dr.
> Patty Siri-Tarino and her well-regarded coauthors
> told the world that “there is no significant
> evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat
> is associated with an increased risk” of
> coronary heart disease or cardiovascular disease.
> They arrived at this contrarian conclusion after
> reviewing only the research produced from
> prospective epidemiologic studies; all other
> research was disregarded. In these two videos
> I’ll show you those studies on which that
> conclusion was based. Their paper is a great
> example of how much mischief can be made by the
> injudicious use of statistics.

I don't find him interesting at all. Maybe he has a vocal chord tumor or something. Something is wrong there with that voice. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.

> I don't find him interesting at all. Maybe he has
> a vocal chord tumor or something. Something is
> wrong there with that voice. Like fingernails on a
> chalkboard.

SueZ, I guess if you run out of facts to back your point, there's always the ad hominem attack.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
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> > Suez, I am glad you find him interesting. You
> can
> > read more here:
> >
> [www.drmcdougall.com]
>
> > ive-video-series/
> >
> > Another very popular journal article among the
> > low-carbers and saturated fat apologists is
> > explored in detail in the following two videos.
> > This one may be the single most frequently
> cited
> > study nowadays by those seeking to convince you
> to
> > consume more artery-damaging saturated fats.
> Dr.
> > Patty Siri-Tarino and her well-regarded
> coauthors
> > told the world that “there is no significant
> > evidence for concluding that dietary saturated
> fat
> > is associated with an increased risk” of
> > coronary heart disease or cardiovascular
> disease.
> > They arrived at this contrarian conclusion
> after
> > reviewing only the research produced from
> > prospective epidemiologic studies; all other
> > research was disregarded. In these two videos
> > I’ll show you those studies on which that
> > conclusion was based. Their paper is a great
> > example of how much mischief can be made by the
> > injudicious use of statistics.
>
> I don't find him interesting at all.

Dr Mc Dougal and Dr Gregor are often brought up here. Hmmmm.

Prana Wrote:
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> > I don't find him interesting at all. Maybe he
> has
> > a vocal chord tumor or something. Something is
> > wrong there with that voice. Like fingernails on
> a
> > chalkboard.
>
> SueZ, I guess if you run out of facts to back your
> point, there's always the ad hominem attack.


There's nothing ad hominem about pointing out that. I noticed that same sound in Joan River's voice before she went to surgery. If you can find one of her last news clips to compare you will probably understand what I mean. He should get his throat it checked out.

Prana Wrote:
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> SueZ, I guess if you run out of facts to back your
> point, there's always the ad hominem attack.


By the way, just because I don't tattletale to you about haters like they do about me doesn't mean they are any better at nice-nice than I am - and, IMO, with less facts. Just because they are more in line with your way of thinking than mine doesn't mean you can't be unbiased in your mod duties.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
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> >
> [nutritionfacts.org]
>
> > log-arteries/
> >
> > Sellers of coconut oil use a beef industry
> tactic
> > to downplay the risks associated with the
> > saturated fat in their products.
> >
> > Why not give it a try, though? Well, unlike
> other
> > natural remedies, like the spice saffron, which
> > was able to beat out placebo and seemed to work
> as
> > well as a leading drug without the side
> effects,
> > coconut oil is one of the rare plant sources of
> > saturated fat, normally only found in animals,
> > which tends to increase LDL, or bad
> cholesterol,
> > the number one risk factor for our number one
> > killer, heart disease. So hey, you want to try
> it
> > on someone with Alzheimer’s for a few days to
> > see if it makes a difference, fine. God, I'd
> try
> > almost anything.
>
> Actually I did try the coconut oil for my mother
> who developed dementia after having a severe
> stroke. I did this after seeing the video of the
> Dr. who saw great improvements in her husband
> using it. I followed the Dr.'s testing method
> which involved having the patient draw a picture
> of a clock face every week with remarkable
> progressive accuracy improvements in his drawings.
> On the coconut oil my mother's drawings of a clock
> each week were even more remarkable. Unfortunately
> after a few months she informed me that she was
> sick to death of coconut oil and would never eat
> it again.
>
>
>
>
> But if, as expected, you don't
> > see an improvement, I would be hesitant to keep
> > anyone on it long-term. Now those selling
> coconut
> > oil say one needn't worry because coconut oil
> > contains a saturated fat that doesn't raise
> > cholesterol. You hear the same thing from the
> beef
> > people. The National Cattlemen's Beef
> Association
> > is always going on about how beef contains a
> > saturated fat called stearic acid. Unlike
> those
> > evil saturated fats, palmitic, myristic, and
> > lauric acids - which do increase blood
> cholesterol
> > levels - stearic acid has been shown to have a
> > neutral effect on blood cholesterol. That's
> true,
> > and beef does have stearic acid, but guess what
> it
> > has twice as much of the palmitic and myristic,
> > which they just admitted does raise
> cholesterol.
> > That's like coca cola saying they know for a
> fact
> > that soda doesn't make you gain weight, because
> it
> > contains water, and water has a neutral effect
> on
> > weight gain. Yeah, but that's not the only
> thing
> > in it, and the same with coconut oil. Years ago
> I
> > profiled this study that found that cholesterol
> > levels were significantly lower during a
> coconut
> > oil diet—but only when compared to a butter
> > diet. Yes you know you have a bad product when
> the
> > only way you can make it look good is to
> compare
> > it to diets rich in butter. Yes it made bad
> > cholesterol go up, but not as bad as butter,
> but
> > how much is that really saying. That was all
> the
> > science we had for ten years, but four new
> studies
> > have recently come out, a population study and
> > three clinical trials. The population was
> Filipino
> > women, and although those that ate the most
> > coconut oil had the worst levels of bad
> > cholesterol, they were also more overweight,
> which
> > alone can raise your cholesterol. When the fact
> > that the coconut oil eaters were eating a lot
> more
> > calories, and were more overweight, etc. was
> > factored out the rise in cholesterol lost
> > statistical significance. To really control for
> > factors, though, you've got to put it to the
> test.
> > The first clinical trial involved giving people
> 2
> > tablespoons of coconut oil a day for 3 months
> and
> > their bad cholesterol went up but not
> > significantly. But during this time they were
> all
> > forced to lose weight be being placed on a
> > calorie-restricted diet. When you lose weight
> your
> > LDL should drop naturally; the fact that it
> didn't
> > on the coconut oil suggests an adverse effect.
> A
> > most encouraging study was this one, an
> > open-label, meaning not blinded, no control
> group,
> > pilot study in which 2 tablespoons for coconut
> oil
> > a day for a month added to their regular diet
> did
> > not worsen their cholesterol, though when
> tested
> > in a better designed study—a randomized
> > crossover trial coconut oil did significantly
> > worsen bad cholesterol, hence Walt Willett's
> > recommendation from Harvard, if you are going
> to
> > use it use it sparingly. Now look, if you're
> > eating so healthy that your LDL cholesterol is
> > under 60 or 70, then I don't see coconut oil as
> a
> > problem. Unlike saturated animal fats, coconut
> oil
> > doesn't cause that spike inflammation
> immediately
> > after consumption of animal foods, which makes
> > sense because as you'll remember it may be the
> > dead bacterial endotoxins in animal products
> > ferried into the body by saturated fat that are
> to
> > blame. So in this study when people were given
> > chocolate cake made out of flax seed oil or
> > coconut oil we didn't see much change in
> > inflammatory gene expression, but the cod liver
> > oil cake seemed worse.
>
> The rest of this is BS, too. Granted, I use the
> best raw centrifuged coconut oil, and of course,
> as usual for these studies, we have no idea the
> condition of the oil they tested, but my lipid
> panel lab work after eating a diet of an average
> of 62% raw vegan fat a day, including lots of
> coconut oil, was VASTLY better than my lipid panel
> after eating lfhc raw vegan for 11 months.
>
> It's high time Dr. Grieger stopped calling his
> site nutrition facts. Fact is it isn't.

Here is one of the many videos from Dr. Mary Newport on what happened after she started giving her husband coconut oil. In it she explains the use of the clock test which is used as a tool in diagnose of Alzheimer patients. And also, in my mother's case, nothing else in her treatment was changed besides the coconut oil. Her neurologist, who's permission I had, was very impressed with her progress.

[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2014 12:27PM by SueZ.

We should also consider that we are not all the same, in some this will raise triglycerides. In addition, people that are sick should definitely eat less. Best as always to eat the WHOLE FOOD?

Superjuice Wrote:
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> We should also consider that we are not all the
> same, in some this will raise triglycerides. In
> addition, people that are sick should definitely
> eat less. Best as always to eat the WHOLE FOOD?

My triglycerides were elevated after being on a lfhc diet for 11 months. My triglycerides went back to within normal range - which they always had been until I ate a lfhc raw diet - when I had my lipids checked again after being on the Conductivity Diet for a year and a half. I weigh and record everything I eat so I know my intakes probably closer than anyone else here.


I just checked my record and my average daily fat intake for the last year was 64.7%. My average carb intake was 101.1 grams per day. As long as I kept my carbs at that level my FBS was within normal range. The pre-diabetes that happened to me after eating lfhc for 11 months now stays within normal parameters so long as I keep my intake at around 100 carbs a day. Since my post-lfhc diet, which made me quit it on a dime when I saw the horrible results, I have been taking my blood sugar several times a day so I know, probably better than anyone else here, what my blood sugar was doing. I am talking from experience not relying on anyone else's studies done with who knows what oils. I took careful records and went out of my way so I could learn what was really going on - for 2 1/2 years. Who else can say the same?

"Here is one of the many videos from Dr. Mary Newport on what happened after she started giving her husband coconut oil. In it she explains the use of the clock test which is used as a tool in diagnose of Alzheimer patients. And also, in my mother's case, nothing else in her treatment was changed besides the coconut oil. Her neurologist, who's permission I had, was very impressed with her progress."

I've been helping out one of my neighbors for a few months now who developed early onset dementia after receiving a flu shot. He also has diabetes and osteoporosis. This is a guy who went from being an architect and also developed many multi-million dollar machines for his company to not being able to have a conversation or remember anything. I've recommended many things but coconut oil and curcumin are two of them. The other day his wife told me that he said he could feel his brain turning back on and that his blood sugar dropped to normal for the first time in a very long time. Algae's, targeted supplementation, and certain foods have resulted in drastic improvements in all three health concerns.

Maybe a difference should be made between those who have a somewhat healthy life and those who are very sick and need drastic measures.
64% percent fat may be too much for a healthy body that does not need dratic measures.

Cholesterol measurements on HDL and LDL currently done are inaccurate and wrong predictors of CVD


Now l am starting to wake up to what is going on and why people with the highest total cholesterolare living longer. Doctors are measuring the wrong types of cholesterol such as LDL-C, HDL-C and total cholesterol, but this has little to do with CVD.

The medicaljournals are now recently saying that we must be measuring other things such as: lipoprotein-associated phospholipase A(2), apolipoprotein B, LDL particle concentration, lipoprotein(a), and LDL and HDL subfractions].

I will post some more stuff on this in time, but apparently some big timers have jumped on board with this such as the board certified cardiologist Stephen Sinatra. Here is what he has to say in this eye opening 3 minute video:

[www.drsinatra.com]


Now...Stephen mentions oxidised small particle LP(a) cholesterol, it is also very inflammatory and this is the kicker. This is where the highly potent sproutarian diet comes into it with it's highly potent anti oxidant phytochemicals, extremely anti inflammatory prostaglandins and potentially low AGE contribution...but not just any sproutarian diet, a specific sproutarian diet carefully developed over a period of years by lots of medical research and experimentation by someone here. See...the diet l promote is highest in protective factors of any diet in existance imo, and l challenge anyone to try and challenge me to prove me wrong.

The sproutarian diet l promote is possibly highest in:

- enzymes
- wide spectrum and high levels of probiotics
- minerals
- vitamins
- hormones
- phytochemicals
- anti oxidants (busts one of major causes of disease)
- anti inflammatory prostaglandins (busts one of makor causes of disease)
- low AGE diet (eliminates lots of sugar and poor food combations contributing to AGE's)
- fatty acids in high levels
- very balanced diet synergy according to latest science literature


Dr Sinatra says that lipoprotein(a) particle cholesterol, oxidised cholesterol particles and high numbers of small dense cholesterol particles are the real boogy man bringing on CVD.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2014 09:35PM by The Sproutarian Man.

"poor food combations contributing to AGE's"

Can you post some of the science on this?


"The medicaljournals are now recently saying that we must be measuring other things such as: lipoprotein-associated phospholipase A(2), apolipoprotein B, LDL particle concentration, lipoprotein(a), and LDL and HDL subfractions]."

I'm assuming that these are markers for inflammation?

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "poor food combations contributing to AGE's"
>
> Can you post some of the science on this?


Not yet, l still need to do research on this area. But it is looking like the fruit combined with nuts/seeds could be a problem (smoothies) and fruits combined with greens and concentrated carbs combined with proteins. I still need to do more reading because it is a complex topic.

>
>
> "The medicaljournals are now recently saying that
> we must be measuring other things such as:
> lipoprotein-associated phospholipase A(2),
> apolipoprotein B, LDL particle concentration,
> lipoprotein(a), and LDL and HDL subfractions]."
>
> I'm assuming that these are markers for
> inflammation?

No, but it looks like when the small concentrated LP(a's) particles become inflamed the troubles start up.

So...all this talk about high saturated fat and high LDL causing CVD is all garbage because it is way oversimplifying the cause and also is looking at the wrong markers for CVD. It looks like a major key when eating high fat is to reduce inflammation, reduce stress, and increase antioxidants/phytochemicals.

If you eat the green sprouts, sunflower/sesame pastes, chia sprouts with coconut fat, algaes and seaweeds you willhave the best protection possible according to all the science l have read. As far as l have seen, the diet can't be done any better, and that is why l do this diet in a certain way....the chia sprouts combined with coconut is a very powerful part of it, but so are many other aspects.

www.thesproutarian.com

Talking about AGE's and fructose, here is a study talking about the dangers of a high carb diet high in fructose and low in cholesterol being linked with mental problems of vagueness. Looks like Dr Coisens may be right when he talks about oxidative stress in the brain when high levels of fructose are being consumed on a low cholesterol/low fat diet....neurotransmittors become inflammed. WOW!!!


Nutrition and Alzheimer's disease: The detrimental role of a high carbohydrate diet

Stephanie Seneff a, Glyn Wainwright

Remember that this is not proof of anything yet, but the sings are not good so far, and when we observe long term supporters of the N.H diet there it does bring various concerns to mind.


Now...there is a certain video of a long term N.H person who was asked a bunch of questions and messed up badly by showing a highly unorganised mind going off on tangents and making connections not relevant to the question, he was also talking about lots of fantasy ideas like they were fact. There was also the classic blank stare. I am not going to mention the person's name, but it was really telling and sad. What was even more sad was that he posted it on his website as if he had scored some kind of victory, and to me it showed the deep confusion at it's full exposure.

It is not a case of picking on groups,l want to try and find out what is really going on. I have been fascinated with high fruit diets and possible links to mental issues for 5 years. I am convinced that something is going on.

Very recently Dr Wilson was on a video discussing how a certain native culture refused to touch all the fruit growing wild. It was like they knew is may have caused infighting and structural breakdown in the community. Well...that was what l took from how Dr Wilson said it. It sounds really silly, but there may be something in it. The natives had all this wild fruit growing, yet they refused to touch any of it. Hmmm.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2014 10:43PM by The Sproutarian Man.

"the chia sprouts combined with coconut is a very powerful part of it"

For high EPA/DHA conversion (which are very anti-inflammatory)?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2014 10:42PM by jtprindl.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "the chia sprouts combined with coconut is a very
> powerful part of it"
>
> For high EPA/DHA conversion (which are very
> anti-inflammatory)?

Yep.

"Remember that this is not proof of anything yet, but the sings are not good so far, and when we observe long term supporters of the N.H diet there it does bring various concerns to mind."

A few questions come to mind with this study:

1.) What kind of fructose were they using in the study? Was it processed like high-fructose corn syrup and/or eaten with unhealthy foods which also promote neurodegeneration?

2.) If it did include fruit, would negative effects occur if one ate lots of fruit but also lots of healthy fats/phytochemicals?

3.) Would these effects happen with long-term low-fat diets regardless of fructose intake?

jtprindl Wrote:

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> "Remember that this is not proof of anything yet,
> but the sings are not good so far, and when we
> observe long term supporters of the N.H diet there
> it does bring various concerns to mind."
>
> A few questions come to mind with this study:
>
> 1.) What kind of fructose were they using in the
> study? Was it processed like high-fructose corn
> syrup and/or eaten with unhealthy foods which also
> promote neurodegeneration?


Those foods are the worst, but some like Gabriel say that the fructose in fruit is also a problem when fruit is had in high quantities.


>
> 2.) If it did include fruit, would negative
> effects occur if one ate lots of fruit but also
> lots of healthy fats/phytochemicals?


High fruit consumption is said to make it worse because increased fructose plays a role in increasing AGE's when certain conditions are present. Having more healthy fats and phytochemicals looks like it would definitely help. The real problem seems to be high carb low fat or high fruit low fat/cholesterol.


>
> 3.) Would these effects happen with long-term
> low-fat diets regardless of fructose intake?

Yes, but not as much because fructose is a more active factor contributing to AGE's when certain conditions are set up in the body.


Here is a science paper generalising about why vegetarian diets have more AGE's than typical meat diets. They say it could be the fructose, but no-one knows for sure.

Advanced Glycation End Products and Nutrition


M. KRAJ?OVI?OVÁ-KUDLÁ?KOVÁ et al
[www.biomed.cas.cz]


Dr Clement now comes out and blames a mixture of protein, carbs and sugar being the main cause of AGE's.It seems like he could be right.

This is a new area of health and we still have much to learn. Just presenting various ideas we need to look into. There are other potential nightmares too such as methylglyoxal and 3-Deoxyglucosone which can react with protein and bond with DNA.


I shouldn't go on too much about it here, l don't want John Rose and Panchito getting scared. They might end up giving up fruit and going sproutarian to get extra protection from the nasty boys.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2014 11:42PM by The Sproutarian Man.

"Dr Clement now comes out and blames a mixture of protein, carbs and sugar being the main cause of AGE's.It seems like he could be right."

Makes sense, all of them require different enzymes and take different lengths of time to digest which could result in toxic by-products being produced. I would think fruits and nuts/seeds would be far more of a problem that greens and fruits, and that it would depend on which fruits they were. I've read that coconut combines well with anything because of the medium-chain fats but I could be wrong.

"Here is a science paper generalising about why vegetarian diets have more AGE's than typical meat diets. They say it could be the fructose, but no-one knows for sure."

Good find, maybe potential nutrient deficiencies of many vegetarian diets plays a role?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2014 11:50PM by jtprindl.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> [nutritionfacts.org]
>
> > log-arteries/
> >
> > Sellers of coconut oil use a beef industry
> tactic
> > to downplay the risks associated with the
> > saturated fat in their products.
> >
> > Why not give it a try, though? Well, unlike
> other
> > natural remedies, like the spice saffron, which
> > was able to beat out placebo and seemed to work
> as
> > well as a leading drug without the side
> effects,
> > coconut oil is one of the rare plant sources of
> > saturated fat, normally only found in animals,
> > which tends to increase LDL, or bad
> cholesterol,
> > the number one risk factor for our number one
> > killer, heart disease. So hey, you want to try
> it
> > on someone with Alzheimer’s for a few days to
> > see if it makes a difference, fine. God, I'd
> try
> > almost anything.
>
> Actually I did try the coconut oil for my mother
> who developed dementia after having a severe
> stroke. I did this after seeing the video of the
> Dr. who saw great improvements in her husband
> using it. I followed the Dr.'s testing method
> which involved having the patient draw a picture
> of a clock face every week with remarkable
> progressive accuracy improvements in his drawings.
> On the coconut oil my mother's drawings of a clock
> each week were even more remarkable. Unfortunately
> after a few months she informed me that she was
> sick to death of coconut oil and would never eat
> it again.

Here is the Dr.'s husband's clock tests so you all can visualize his progress once he started taking coconut oil.

[www.cbn.com]

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Dr Clement now comes out and blames a mixture of
> protein, carbs and sugar being the main cause of
> AGE's.It seems like he could be right.
>
> This is a new area of health and we still have
> much to learn.

I am glad you are willing to learn. The first lesson is this one: FAT is loaded with AGEs. When you eat fat (even raw) you are hosing down AGEs down the pipe. Learn from modern research about food.

[marshfieldceliac.weebly.com]

(numbers = AGE kU/100 g)


EXAMPLE OF FATS

Raw Oil, olive 11,900
Raw Oil, sesame (Asian Gourmet) 21,680

compare it with low fat foods:

Apple, Macintosh 13
Banana 9
Cantaloupe 20
Dates, Sun-Maid California 60
Carrots, canned 10

Did you like the lesson?

"Learn from modern research about food."


Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

SueZ Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Panchito Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> >
> [nutritionfacts.org]
>
> >
> > > log-arteries/
> > >
> > > Sellers of coconut oil use a beef industry
> > tactic
> > > to downplay the risks associated with the
> > > saturated fat in their products.
> > >
> > > Why not give it a try, though? Well, unlike
> > other
> > > natural remedies, like the spice saffron,
> which
> > > was able to beat out placebo and seemed to
> work
> > as
> > > well as a leading drug without the side
> > effects,
> > > coconut oil is one of the rare plant sources
> of
> > > saturated fat, normally only found in
> animals,
> > > which tends to increase LDL, or bad
> > cholesterol,
> > > the number one risk factor for our number one
> > > killer, heart disease. So hey, you want to
> try
> > it
> > > on someone with Alzheimer’s for a few days
> to
> > > see if it makes a difference, fine. God, I'd
> > try
> > > almost anything.
> >
> > Actually I did try the coconut oil for my
> mother
> > who developed dementia after having a severe
> > stroke. I did this after seeing the video of
> the
> > Dr. who saw great improvements in her husband
> > using it. I followed the Dr.'s testing method
> > which involved having the patient draw a
> picture
> > of a clock face every week with remarkable
> > progressive accuracy improvements in his
> drawings.
> > On the coconut oil my mother's drawings of a
> clock
> > each week were even more remarkable.
> Unfortunately
> > after a few months she informed me that she was
> > sick to death of coconut oil and would never
> eat
> > it again.
>
> Here is the Dr.'s husband's clock tests so you all
> can visualize his progress once he started taking
> coconut oil.
>
> [www.cbn.com]
> uary/alzheimers-doctors-taking-note-of-coconut-oil
> -/

There's nothing quite like getting hit with the tidal wave of seeing a loved one drawing clock faces as are shown in the link even when they improve so dramatically. It truly chills to the bone until you're able take the bull by the horns and move on to the hard work of rehab.


I am very grateful that this woman did what she did and posted it all on the web to learn from. She has many videos. They really have been a Godsend for many many people who are faced with caring for loved ones so afflicted - not just me. And I also thank God for coconut oil which has so enriched my mother's life and helped her gain a surprising amount of her ability to think back -at times. She no longer talks about having lost half of her brain and although she isn't anywhere near being fully recovered she thinks she is which is quite a relief and a blessing. What's left of her life will not be easy but she is much more at peace with her life despite having no short term memory, etc. I wish I could figure out some way to smuggle more coconut oil into her diet but she always knows it's there and refuses to eat anything with coconut oil in it.

Suez, we are not in conflict of opinions. As the link you posted says, coconut oil treats Alzheimer’s when the patient has a disease called insulin resistance. It does so by switching the body to ketones instead of the normal glucose that the brain uses. Glucose is the normal fuel. If the body has a disease, ketones works though with secondary effets. The previous posts were more about CVD and long term use of dietary saturated fats.

This is what wikipedia says about ketogenic diets:

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Ketone bodies are acidic, but acid-base homeostasis in the blood is normally maintained through bicarbonate buffering, respiratory compensation to vary the amount of CO2 in the bloodstream, hydrogen ion absorption by tissue proteins and bone, and renal compensation through increased excretion of dihydrogen phosphate and ammonium ions.[4] Prolonged excess of ketone bodies can overwhelm normal compensatory mechanisms, leading to acidosis if blood pH falls below 7.35.

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Long-term use of the ketogenic diet in children increases the risk of retarded growth, bone fractures and kidney stones.[4] The diet reduces levels of insulin-like growth factor 1, which is important for childhood growth. Like many anticonvulsant drugs, the ketogenic diet has an adverse effect on bone health. Many factors may be involved such as acidosis and suppressed growth hormone.[36] About 1 in 20 children on the ketogenic diet will develop kidney stones (compared with one in several thousand for the general population). A class of anticonvulsants known as carbonic anhydrase inhibitors (topiramate, zonisamide) are known to increase the risk of kidney stones, but the combination of these anticonvulsants and the ketogenic diet does not appear to elevate the risk above that of the diet alone.[37] The stones are treatable and do not justify discontinuation of the diet.[37] Johns Hopkins Hospital now gives oral potassium citrate supplements to all ketogenic diet patients, resulting in a sevenfold decrease in the incidence of kidney stones.[38] However, this empiric usage has not been tested in a prospective controlled trial.[8] Kidney stone formation (nephrolithiasis) is associated with the diet for four reasons:[37]

Excess calcium in the urine (hypercalciuria) occurs due to increased bone demineralisation with acidosis. Bones are mainly composed of calcium phosphate. The phosphate reacts with the acid, and the calcium is excreted by the kidneys.[37]
Hypocitraturia: the urine has an abnormally low concentration of citrate, which normally helps to dissolve free calcium.[37]
The urine has a low pH, which stops uric acid from dissolving, leading to crystals that act as a nidus for calcium stone formation.[37]
Many institutions traditionally restricted the water intake of patients on the diet to 80% of normal daily needs;[37] this practice is no longer encouraged.[4]

In adults, common side effects include weight loss, constipation, raised cholesterol levels and, in women, menstrual irregularities including amenorrhoea.[39]

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Panchito:

not so fast. The glycation study (half read it the other day and had it tucked away) looks scarey on the surface for high fat and looks miuch better for fruit, BUT that is not the whole story. Research shows glycation damage bringing on oxidative stress, and 2014 research confirm my suspicions of AGE's able to be stifled by powerful phytochemicals. Now...the problem with fruit is not the level of AGE's initially in the fruit, it appears to be the level of AGE's generated during the digestion process.

I must admit that my eyes did open slightly wide when l first saw the study Panchito. Oh yes Panchito, l did get a small scare for you posted a potent weapon as a warning about high fat. Yes Panchito, you got me a beauty..it is the first time you threw me a potent blow, BUT BUT BUT...the blow is not as potent as you may think, the high fat eaters can curve the savage wound.

If the truth be told....the fruit diet and the high fat diet have AGE issues,the high fat diet has high AGE's and the fruit diet appear to generate high AGE's during digestion, so both are potential killers LOL. The question could be, who has the best protection against the bad boys? The sprout diet has heaps of protection and the fruit diet could if certain things are done.

Panchito...tomorrow l may deliver the scarey stuff on fruit eating and l will deliver the good news for high fat diet people in terms of how we may protect against AGE's.


Now Panchito....l am not buying that stuff you posted on ketogenic diets. Why? Because there are things that can be done to make them safe. Remember, wide spectrum nutrition at good levels solves many potential health problems. I have a study saved up somewhere which takes the wheels off those above studies and sinks them. If l have time l will find the study and sink the above wiki post, and hopefully tomorrow l will also sink the AGE's post also.

Remember Panchito, we can fix many things regardless of whether we do high fruit or high fat, that is the beauty of being flexibile and open to various things like FRESH sprouted greens, sprouted chia, algaes and seaweeds etc.

Until tomorrow Panchito...best to get prepared and take a big breath....got some scarey stuff to come, but no need to get scared because we can likely fix it for the `fruit people' so they don't age too quickly by AGE.

Oh Panchito....you read to start sprouting, just in case?

regards: The Sproutarian.

www.thesproutarian.com



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"I must admit that my eyes did open slightly wide when l first saw the study Panchito. Oh yes Panchito, l did get a small scare winking smiley for you posted a potent weapon as a warning about high fat. Yes Panchito, you got me a beauty..it is the first time you threw me a potent blow, BUT BUT BUT...the blow is not as potent as you may think, the high fat eaters can curve the savage wound."

Lol the website he posted for that "study" doesn't even exist, it looks like it's not even a jab to the body in terms of blows. Even if we wanted to assume worst case scenario, the link doesn't provide which type of oils were used... which were likely refined, processed, not extra-virgin, etc. I've posted multiple scientific studies which suggests that RAW fats are very low in AGE's and it is the process of cooking/processing which creates high levels of AGE's. I have yet to see a single credible source which concludes that raw fats (nuts, seeds, coconut, extra-virgin oils) are high in AGE's. As far as ketogenic diets go... he's still in pre-school.



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