Does your diet have one? If so, can you really consider it a viable diet if there is a Plan B that includes foods you once considered absolutely off-limits?

Why not just have a diet which is inclusive enough to allow for Plan B foods all the time or at least in a limited way?

A "back up plan" is a term raw vegan gurus coined because they just don't want to stand up and wave the white flag. IMO.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> A "back up plan" is a term raw vegan gurus coined
> because they just don't want to stand up and wave
> the white flag. IMO.


SueZ, a little while ago I would have disagreed with you but now I see that it is true. And it's so unnecessary but that's what happens when people paint themselves into a corner and declare that they have found the answer to all their health problems.

I just was watching Megan Elizabeth and she had some guy on who used to be 80-10-10 and was discussing issues that came up. And I even think there are more that he might not be aware of. Like he's concerned about D and then said the supplement made it worse, but he doesn't connect the dots between being very low fat and any absorption issues. He blames it on living in the NW and too much cloudiness.



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banana who Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A "back up plan" is a term raw vegan gurus
> coined
> > because they just don't want to stand up and
> wave
> > the white flag. IMO.
>
>
> SueZ, a little while ago I would have disagreed
> with you but now I see that it is true. And it's
> so unnecessary but that's what happens when people
> paint themselves into a corner and declare that
> they have found the answer to all their health
> problems.
>
> I just was watching Megan Elizabeth and she had
> some guy on who used to be 80-10-10 and was
> discussing issues that came up. And I even think
> there are more that he might not be aware of. Like
> he's concerned about D and then said the
> supplement made it worse, but he doesn't connect
> the dots between being very low fat and any
> absorption issues. He blames it on living in the
> NW and too much cloudiness.

Thanks. I just watched that interesting video and will be checking out Victor's other offerings on youtube.

I think I'm going to have to invest in one of those vitamin D lights because I don't want to add more K than I get in veggies to my diet since it's so high in fat. I have to keep my blood running thin and more K would be problematic.

My backup plan is a hunter gatherer diet similar to the Claifornia Native Americans praticed since that is where I live. At least we know THAT works...

NuNativs Wrote:
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> My backup plan is a hunter gatherer diet similar
> to the Claifornia Native Americans praticed since
> that is where I live. At least we know THAT
> works...


Well maybe before Fukushima that would keep you alive. Things change.

SueZ Wrote:
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> NuNativs Wrote:
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> > My backup plan is a hunter gatherer diet
> similar
> > to the Claifornia Native Americans praticed
> since
> > that is where I live. At least we know THAT
> > works...
>
>
> Well maybe before Fukushima that would keep you
> alive. Things change.

I'm not worried about Fukushima, I prefer to follow this woman's attitude on Markus' video about such things:

[www.youtube.com]

I've got an obsession and fascination about getting my food from the WILD and as we know, raw veganism is an impossibility. I always found it curious that none of the foods being touted as the natural foods for humans grow naturally in the WILD...Did nature forget about us?

NuNativs Wrote:
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> I'm not worried about Fukushima, I prefer to
> follow this woman's attitude on Markus' video
> about such things:
>
> [www.youtube.com]
> Uz14Eg69bZSiyeDuTXml6_w

She seems to be a lovely woman. The authorities in Japan would agree with her. They say a good smiling attitude will protect you from radiation. I say tell it to the starfish, scallops, sea lions, eagles, etc. Fukushima is WAY worse than Chernobyl was and it's ongoing. Maybe forever if tepco is allowed to remain in charge.


> I've got an obsession and fascination about
> getting my food from the WILD

That can be done without killing animals. We have the tools these days that allow for that if you care to give them a try.

and as we know, raw
> veganism is an impossibility.

In your mind, sadly I guess it is. You can change your mind if you want to give it a chance but, as you say, you have other interests you are more passionate about.



I always found it
> curious that none of the foods being touted as the
> natural foods for humans grow naturally in the
> WILD...Did nature forget about us?

I don't know what you mean by that but you seem to have your mind made up anyway and have a passion you can follow if you wish to. There are plenty of wilderness training courses you can take that will help you to achieve your goal. What's stopping you? If it's your passion go for it!


[news.discovery.com]



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Some people here in the US use low level radiation to create an effect in their body called radiation hormesis. The body, when exposed to radiation and the cells are oxidizing, will compensate for this oxidation by internally creating antioxidants. This antioxidant creation can raise the level of health to higher than before the radiation exposure.

Prana Wrote:
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> Some people here in the US use low level radiation
> to create an effect in their body called radiation
> hormesis. The body, when exposed to radiation and
> the cells are oxidizing, will compensate for this
> oxidation by internally creating antioxidants.
> This antioxidant creation can raise the level of
> health to higher than before the radiation
> exposure.

Sounds like Ann Coulter's backup plan.

Astaxanthin helps protect against radiation and has tons of other health benefits, powerful stuff. I take 8-12 mg daily.

[www.google.com]

Natural radiation is not harmful. Most likely it is healthy. Even uranium can be held in hands without any protection. Nuclear energy is safe. There are no nuclear bombs, it is a hoax. Yes, I am sober

rab Wrote:
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> Natural radiation is not harmful. Most likely it
> is healthy. Even uranium can be held in hands
> without any protection. Nuclear energy is safe.
> There are no nuclear bombs, it is a hoax. Yes, I
> am sober


Flat earth club.

If you are eating cooked foods every day, it ain't a plan. It's a lifestyle. And that is totally fine. But by characterizing it as a "plan," you have people who want the best of both worlds--to be considered totally raw but then also totally realistic and honest about "emergencies" when fresh fruit and juice may not be available. Um...when are lemons not available?

banana who


<<Does your diet have one? If so, can you really consider it a viable diet if there is a Plan B that includes foods you once considered absolutely off-limits?

Why not just have a diet which is inclusive enough to allow for Plan B foods all the time or at least in a limited way?

If you are eating cooked foods every day, it ain't a plan. It's a lifestyle. And that is totally fine. But by characterizing it as a "plan," you have people who want the best of both worlds--to be considered totally raw but then also totally realistic and honest about "emergencies" when fresh fruit and juice may not be available. Um...when are lemons not available?>>

looks like you thoroughly answered your own question

SueZ Wrote:
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>
> I think I'm going to have to invest in one of
> those vitamin D lights.


Now THAT is an excellent idea and solves many problems. I hope they work.


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A back-up plan can be for people who can't manage the 100% raw lifestyle (not a bad thing). If you are organised and devoted and do a good diet you should not need a back-up plan.

DR (the rider) says to eat pizza if you don't have enough fruit.
I say to get organised and buy enough fruit so you don't need pizza. Not hard to do. No back-up plan needed.


Dr says to have sugar if you are on a bike ride (for carbs) and don't have access to fruit.
I say to carry some fruit on the bike or ride to a shop that sells fruit if need be.

www.thesproutarian.com



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A sproutarian back-up plan

Never needed one, but what happens if every single sprout dies over night and l have nothing to eat for at least a few days?

I can either fast or go to the supermarket and live on fruit for a few days to cover me.

Eating pizza is not a back-up plan, it is a failure to eat well.

why is storing up fruit a back up plan?

why not vegetables?
vegetables have so much more minerals

i think if u don't get enough minerals

u may not feel well

i love vegetables

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> A sproutarian back-up plan
>
> Never needed one, but what happens if every single
> sprout dies over night and l have nothing to eat
> for at least a few days?
>
> I can either fast or go to the supermarket and
> live on fruit for a few days to cover me.
>
> Eating pizza is not a back-up plan, it is a
> failure to eat well.

LOL--so true. Next up--back-up, back-up plan: in case there's no pizza, go to McDonald's.

banana who

<<LOL--so true. Next up--back-up, back-up plan: in case there's no pizza, go to McDonald's.>>

let them go to mcdonald's

the "helping" professionals (health care, mental care etc. ) make a living off of people who go to mcdonald's

mcdonald patients are a boon to the economy

where would we be without them?

Well some fast food restaurant's backup plans, (to take out the rest of the family, maybe?), are starting to be thwarted. Finally. Hospitals are starting to kick their embedded McDonald's out...

[www.foodbeast.com]

SueZ Wrote:
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> Well some fast food restaurant's backup plans, (to
> take out the rest of the family, maybe?), are
> starting to be thwarted. Finally. Hospitals are
> starting to kick their embedded McDonald's out...
>
> [www.foodbeast.com]-
> no-longer-welcome-at-a-growing-number-of-hospitals
> /


Well that can't be good for business, don't they need sick people to survive lol. There should be a Mcdonalds at all hospitals lol, and tire repair shops should spread nails all over the road near their shops to insure business lol!

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> Well that can't be good for business, don't they
> need sick people to survive lol.


They still can use other foods with chemicals and high fat to keep those people sick. Perhaps the name of the game is deception of the public, but now people are waking up to many fast food places, so perhaps the hospitals need to get smarter in order to sneek in the bad foods.

They can still baffle brains and keep `em sick. First rule...keep brains baffled by adding in chemicals and MSG under disguised name by laws which have been changed to allow for this. Second rule, when people can't think properly you then load them up with processed food and meat and call it low fat, but you add some lettuce to make people think it is a healthy meal.

And if you really want to go further you promote so called heart healthy fat diets (remember Dr Esselstyn and his exposure)....see nonsense baffles brains. And if people have cancer you give them chemo so you can give them secondary cancer in case the chemo kills the primary cancer. I've got some great material on hospitals and the medical profession...from respected organisations, and some from prestigious peer reviewed journals.

And if all that fails you heavily promote flouride and vaccines, because they are so good for you, right? Can't have your teeth falling out, and we certainly don't want people getting viruses....people who say otherwise are conspiracy people.

And if that fails you promote synthetic clothing with chemical dye in them. Brian Clement talking about killer clothes...no, he is just a disinfo agent LOL.



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Yeah they have turned people into sheep that will follow anything they see on tv! lol. The local supermarket is supposed to be healthy too right! lol omg.

who are those people in white lab coats

walking around the mcdonald's

very surreal

life gets more and more surreal by the second

la_veronique Wrote:
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> who are those people in white lab coats
>
> walking around the mcdonald's
>


Maybe it's the hospital staff who will eventually become clients of the place at which they work.