well, lets compare. Which of these two raw fooders would you chose?

Kulvinskas (75) eating sprouts





Dr Robert Lockhart (70+) eating fruits

What does doing handstands have to do with being healthy? Since when does google images provide sufficient information regarding one's health?

Not only did you cherry pick pictures, but you don't know that Viktoras has not always been practicing what he preaches. I believe he almost died because he was rearing off and living an unhealthy lifestyle but now has gotten his diet and lifestyle back on track, TSM could probably tell you more about that. Also, he may not engage in exercise, not everything is 100% directly related to diet. However, when it comes to diet, sprouts are vastly superior to fruits and vegetables.



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> well, lets compare. Which of these two raw fooders
> would you chose?
>
> Kulvinskas (75) eating sprouts
>
> [shawanda.typepad.com]
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> e51810001_b631eb45.jpg
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> Dr Robert Lockhart (70+) eating fruits
>
> [fruit-powered.com]
> 3/Robert-Lockhart-with-fruit-stash.jpg
>
> [www.inspirawtion.com]
> -Raw-Food-Health-InspiRAWtion-400.jpg


But what is going on with the inside? Doug does come across as defensive and appears alittle vague at times. Watch his videos and see how he has behaved recently on his forum...doesn't paint a good picture for the lifestyle he promotes. He will not provide any counter balance to very important issues a certain fellow recently broguht up on his site with good science, he just avoids the questions. Other things going on that l won't bring up.

Kulvinskas acts essentric, but he has a sharp mind and is well studied. He doesn't comes across as vague at all.

Nothing against Doug, but l say, show me your knowledge sir with the studies to show some substance to your fancy theories. Why are so many failing on your diet? Why do you come across as vague/blank in your videos like a zombie? Why can't you address the nutritional side of vegan diets when challenged?

None of us know everything, but at least give us some substance Doug. If you have good knowledge Doug, please show us that you are the real deal guru. I also say to Doug..."no defensiveness sir, lets get talking and have a real debate and see if you have your facts and info togeather".

And l say to Doug to go to HHI and get a proper nutrient test done, not a silly blood test. And while we are at it Dr Brian could also test for things in animal products to make sure he is vegan. If Doug passes he will be a legend, but l am not sure he will..why?...because he seems vague and not have a sharp mind...he seems dead inside but active on the outside. The vibration given off is very poor imo. Once again, l am making observations, and other people are making them too...it's not a personal thing, we are all good people and have great value, but please, try not to baffle brains with nonsense because it doesn't always work, and it hurts people and you will be called out. Prove us wrong Doug...show me you're a legend and not just a talker.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
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> > They can also become mosquito breading
> grounds,
> > etc.
>
> Mosquitos need standing/stagnant water to breed.
> If you are having that problem with your sprouting
> - and I assume you did as you have mentioned
> mosquito problems with sprouting before - you just
> have to learn how to properly grow sprouts to have
> a better and more hygienic outcome to your
> sprouting endeavors. Successful sprouters don't
> have mosquito breeding problems because they don't
> have stagnant putrid water standing around.


By the way - the stagnant water which allows for mosquitos proliferating around your environs is not healthy even if you are not trying to grow sprouts. There are ways of easily cutting down on such problems without resorting to chemicals that are worth looking into and are important to implicate for anyone living in places where such problems occur.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:


> Kulvinskas is 75, yet he has the face and
> enthusism of a young man.


I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree.


I am thumbing through Survival Into the 21st Century - Planetary Healers Manual by Viktoras Kulvinskas and he looks like a young man in the book...but not so much anymore. In fact, there is quite a contrast. I don't know if he ever really has had a young face but one thing is certain; that unusual head of hair has served him well.

I'm not into raw because it makes me look younger or that my hair won't turn grey or I won't get cancer or I'll be immortal. That would all be great but the fact is, raw or not, we age and we die.

IMO, how one looks is not so important. In fact, a corpulent person may in the eyes of some, look better than a thin person. After all, they don't have wrinkles and some people think that's evidence of health. Conversely, rawfooders may appear gaunt; to some it is the very embodiment of the expression "skin and bones". But looks are deceiving.

I'm into raw for lots of reasons and I hope it keeps me healthy and strong but I do expect gravity to eventually take it's toll on me when compared to my youth and I think it's fair to say that V.K. shows the effects of time. It's O.K. to look 75!

When people tell me I don't look my age, I tell them, "yes I do. This is what it looks like".

V.K. looks 75 to me. The looks of a young man are much different.

Raw4ever

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> When people tell me I don't look my age, I tell
> them, "yes I do. This is what it looks like".


How long have you been on a raw vegan diet?

From how you speak I would guess that you haven't arrived at your mid 50's yet which seems, to me, about the time the raw vegan guru's rapid age acceleration increases exponentially over, for instance, that of regular vegetarians.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Raw4ever Wrote:
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> > When people tell me I don't look my age, I
> tell
> > them, "yes I do. This is what it looks like".
>
>
> How long have you been on a raw vegan diet?
>
> From how you speak I would guess that you haven't
> arrived at your mid 50's yet which seems, to me,
> about the time the raw vegan guru's rapid age
> acceleration increases exponentially over, for
> instance, that of regular vegetarians.


Mimi Kirk, Annette Larkins, Steve Meyerowitz, and Brian Clement

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Mimi Kirk, Annette Larkins, Steve Meyerowitz,

True, they look exceptional.

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> It was an absolute joke TSM, the way Doug acted
> calling on his enforcers to bail him out using the
> tactics of aggression and diversion, although it
> worked as it meant he didn't have to answer the
> woman Tina's or my concerns regarding the safety
> of individuals with severe adrenal fatigue water
> fasting. Never in my life have i seen a so-called
> professional have to act in such a way when
> proposed a simple question, especially when the
> health of others was potentially at risk from his
> potentially poor advice.
>
> The fact that Doug couldn't answer any of my very
> basic concerns that people with severe adrenal
> fatigue shouldn't be water fasting and probably
> wouldn't survive it especially due to the blood
> sugar issues, he clearly didn't care. He didn't
> even know the difference between adrenal fatigue
> and chronic fatigue syndrome, which is beyond
> worrying for a so-called expert who charges 10k+
> to water fast.
>
> His recommendation that an individual with severe
> bed ridden adrenal fatigue to undertake a
> prolonged water fast, clearly a condition he knows
> nothing about from a physiological perspective.
> When i presented my concerns that individuals with
> severe adrenal fatigue most often have low blood
> sugar/hypoglycemia and blood sugar regulation
> issues, electrolyte imbalances, low cortisol and
> poor stress tolerance, so much so that the
> potential for the death is very high.
>
> Not to mention the fact that adrenal fatigue is
> not a condition that you can fast or detox
> yourself out from in the first place. Severe
> adrenal fatigue can take months, sometimes even
> years to properly recover from. It requires
> nutritional support(many nutrient deficiencies
> contribute to sub-optimal adrenal gland function),
> extra rest and sleep is almost always essential,
> removal of stressors(emotional, lifestyle and
> metabolic), balancing the autonomic nervous
> system(individuals with adrenal fatigue tend to
> over-use the sympathetic "fight or flight" branch
> of the nervous system), correcting zinc/copper
> imbalances which are a very common underlying
> factor in adrenal fatigue. Partially because
> copper metabolism requires proper function of the
> adrenal glands to stimulate the liver to produce
> copper-binding proteins such as ceruloplasmin.
>
> What these people are paying Doug Graham 10 grand
> for ill never know or why he is considered an
> expert when he consistently proves that he doesn't
> even have a basic knowledge on nutrition or
> health. If anyone claims to be able to cure
> adrenal fatigue/burnout in days with fasting,
> cleanses or supplements, then id say that these
> people either didn't have adrenal fatigue in the
> first place or these gurus are flat out lying,
> especially if were talking about severe bed ridden
> adrenal fatigue like the woman was. Severe adrenal
> fatigue is a serious derangement of the body’s
> energy system and it can take many months to un-do
> the various imbalances and deficit of energy that
> is involved. Some minerals can take up to a year
> to replace and thats with mineral rich diets, not
> low zinc and low trace element diets such as
> 80/10/10, which is quite frankly a terrible diet
> for health in general. Not to mention copper rich
> and low zinc diets such as 80/10/10 would
> contribute to the copper/zinc imbalances which are
> often an underlying factor in adrenal fatigue as
> briefly explained above.
>
> His recommendation of consuming potassium rich
> fruits for those with adrenal fatigue, was just as
> laughable, considering these individuals tend to
> not tolerate them well because they have lowered
> levels of the adrenal hormone aldoesterone which
> causes sodium retention issues, extra potassium
> only lowers sodium further, which causes more low
> blood pressure and so on.
>
> It didn't surprise me that Doug got angry when
> questioned, he is very egotistical and doesn't
> like to be questioned at all, an attitude of why
> are you questioning my superiority rather than
> just answering the concerns if he was indeed an
> expert. He did the same last time round when i
> asked him where he would get sufficient iodine
> from just land-plant sources on an 80/10/10 diet
> or where he was getting dietary vitamin B12 as a
> vegan. But to see him have to resort to making
> petty threads calling on his bullying enforcers
> was just beyond pathetic. But it worked and it
> stopped him from having to answer a basic question
> on health.


It was pretty cringeworthy reading his responses, it said to me he was so out of his depth...a child in an adults world. Then he put up a thread asking if they should get rid of you, lol. And yes, the experienced HHI never say to do water fasts, especially diabetics and certain others with disease - they say to do short juice fast which build the body up. Why starve sick bodies with water fasts, better to slowly clean the body with green juice fasts and build them up with highly nutritious high enzyme/phytochemical FRESH foods imo.

Not related to you, but just a general comment. When they start banning you from websites for exposing people or questioning gurus, you know you are doing good things. People don't like the truth.

Here is one man turning the health world upsidedown by exposing common raw food theories with the latest studies. He has a good mind and reads the studies and has a medical and alternative health background. I don't agree with everything he says, but he is a very impressive man.

Top 5 Worst Internet Health Information Sites: Part 1 NaturalNews.com
[medreview.wordpress.com]


Here is an interesting article, talks about all the nonsense and disinfo agents in the health food world.
[medreview.wordpress.com]



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jtprindl Wrote:

> How long have you been on a raw vegan diet?

I was raised a vegetarian. My parents and grandparents were vegetarians.

It's hard for me to say how long I've been raw. Ten years ago when talking to a girlfriend I had when I was 19, I told her I only eat raw food. She said, "that doesn't surprise me. You were always like that". I don't know about that but way back in the day, I was a big adherent to Arnold Ehret's Mucousless Diet Healing System.

Since 1997, I have eaten a high raw diet though to me, raw means 100% raw. I'm an all or nothing person. I can safely say I know I have been 100% raw for a total of 6 years since '97. Most recently, I hit a milestone last week on May 25th of 2 years of again being 100% raw.

In my estimation, high raw isn't good enough. The real health comes to me when I eat absolutely NO COOKED FOOD!! I need 100% raw to feel my healthiest. In fact, the simpler the better. I've tried some of the "raw gourmet" stuff and it doesn't suit me.

I'm 60 years old. By the way, my vegetarian dad is 93 and still drives, reads without glasses, mows 5 acres of hillside land in West Virginia and gardens about half an acre or so. He isn't raw but he is quite healthy.