coconutcream Wrote:
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> That is such a bummer, thanks for posting.
>
> Man. I feel bad. Hey we all over the years slip
> and slide, fall in and out. I am thinking this is
> his coming of age manhood stage.
>
> He will fall back into raw again and wonder why he
> left or wrote an article like that. I bet you!
>
> I love all his books, met him, heard him speak, he
> was a teenager living in today's crazy world, with
> peers and friends, parties etc. I thought when I
> saw him, he was not 100% raw. Or heard rumor. This
> was a long long time ago.
>
> When his dad left the family, that may have
> triggered something in him. I heard something
> about him leaving to live on a beach in Hawaii...
>
> Kids always rebel too.
>
> ( Did you know he dated Freelea before Harley?)

No!!!! Do tell!!!! I think this is the "Raw 'til 4" scoop of the year!

(I am thinking of writing to Freelee and tell him that her ex is eating meat and what did she do to him? )

( Did you know he dated Freelea before Harley?)

"Dated" can mean a lot of things. Was it a "date" freelee had with the stranger in the strip club she danced naked for for $60?

SueZ Wrote:
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> ( Did you know he dated Freelea before Harley?)
>
> "Dated" can mean a lot of things. Was it a
> "date" freelee had with the stranger in the strip
> club she danced naked for for $60?


SueZ, that was quite catty! MEEE-ow! Hey, I don't care if women have been or are strippers. They're just trying to make a living. The men who ogle them are the ones who should be scrutinized, IMO. But that's another issue for another day...

banana who Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
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> > ( Did you know he dated Freelea before Harley?)
>
> >
> > "Dated" can mean a lot of things. Was it a
> > "date" freelee had with the stranger in the
> strip
> > club she danced naked for for $60?
>

Hey, I don't
> care if women have been or are strippers. They're
> just trying to make a living.

To each their own.

About rawfooders (careless variety) and fruitarians being cranky and bad tempered - that is standard-issue low blood sugar.

Not everything is curable by diet. If you enjoy your diet, yet have issues, nothing wrong with getting a diagnosis and then trying some natural healing of whatever method speaks to you. As we get older, we really find out that we need more than this or that healthy diet.

I agree horsea.

Coming into a fully raw diet..and I dont mean "Fully Raw" By Kristina, but fully raw, I do not know if that is trademarked, is it.

But coming into the fully raw diet.. If you come into this as a stripper or drug addict or child of abuse, or your dad beat you up for not being number one, or your school friends made you an outcast, it takes a lot longer to like yourself and heal. It may make you more crazy at first, or you may finally have a nice body and flaunt it everywhere, because you have never had it, but then realize that there is more to life than a tight ass when your boyfriend sleeps with a fat girl and only gives you Monday night dates.

But eventually raw vegan works its magic and you will find a balance and appreciate who you are, who your parents were, you can see why you were attracted to the dark side, and the bottom feeders you used to gravitate around disappear and your dream partner and dream friends come and things come together. May take a decade. But once I was in Arnolds way and I cried to him and he looked at me and said, HONEY ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE DEPRESSED ON A RAW FOOD DIET. I agree and changed my focus and you know what it is kind of hard to have issues when fully raw. But there are things I am sure in your "progamming"





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"..But coming into the fully raw diet.. If you come into this as a stripper or drug addict or child of abuse, or your dad beat you up for not being number one, or your school friends made you an outcast, it takes a lot longer to like yourself and heal..."

That is a lie.

Dads do not beat the child they love.

When we grow up we do not remember certain things correctly.



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Panchito Wrote:
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> I think the NYtimes always promotes meat and it is
> anti plant base diets. It is refreshing to see
> that the mentality hasn't changed. There are
> thousands upon thousands of obese children from
> meat eating parents and nobody cries. But if a
> vegan kid gets sick, they call the police and the
> fire department. Being fat and obese is the normal
> standard. Usually the people pressing the alarm
> button are on medications, drugs, etc, and think
> it is normal. Medication is normal. Scheduling
> doctor appointments is normal. Eating burgers is
> normal. Socializing eating dead carcasses is
> normal. Getting the leg cut out from diabetes is
> normal. But eating fruits and vegetables is an
> eating disorder. The sick teaching the healthy how
> to be healthy.

OMG, sad but true, and kinda funny. The insanity of humans never ceases to amaze me. This is why I always look to Brian Clement as the industry standard. It helps that I know him personally, to some extent.

If you have been promoting raw food for years and even wrote a book on green smoothies, then and it is hard to understand that you can be overweight, out of shape.
What happened???

I know when CPS came to his familys door he lied and said we just got back from Mcdonalds. Maybe it was truth.

coconutcream Wrote:
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> I know when CPS came to his familys door he lied
> and said we just got back from Mcdonalds. Maybe it
> was truth.


The Boutenkos were visited by child protective services because of their diet? I am curious if that is what you meant because I've never heard that.

With the parents' apparent divorce, I am wondering what precipitated it and if it was connected to their promoted diet and lifestyle. I don't want to engage in mindless gossip but on the other hand, it is a head-scratcher that this prominent family with multiple books is not continuing on this path as they preached for years. I just don't get it, to be honest. I feel the same about David Wolfe. Such an informative guy becoming Shamwow-esque is kind of unnerving....

Since you guys like my photos.

CPS did visit them, I heard it from his mouth and its in one of their books.

People break up for different reasons. WHo knows.


If I found a partner who nurtured in me raw foods, I would never leave him.

Also, remember the breakup of the ultimate raw family raw gurus..j and s and the other (pregnant) woman?? Things happen!! You know who I am talking about. Leave it at that. Guys get horny. They do.





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