fresh Wrote:
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> not sure why you don't ever respond with any
> substance, but it does not serve your cause well.
>
> fruit did not do anything to your metabolism.
>
> "Metabolism is usually divided into two
> categories. Catabolism, that breaks down organic
> matter and harvests energy by way of cellular
> respiration, and anabolism that uses energy to
> construct components of cells such as proteins and
> nucleic acids."
>
> your body, from years of abuse, could not properly
> handle the dietary transition both from cleansing
> reactions and elements in your body preventing the
> proper digestion and assimilation of the food.
>
> this has nothing to do with fruit "ruining" your
> metabolism.
> your metabolism is what it is regardless - no Food
> ruins it
> it's a process that the body undergoes to
> assimilate food and process waste.
>
> but of course we would rather blame the food -
> takes the focus off of us.
>
> this message brought to you by what your twisted
> mind sees as bat$$%%t crazy (is there anyone you
> have not called b.s. crazy yet?) , possibly to
> divert your thoughts from your own demons?


You don't seem to be bat @#$%& crazy. You just don't know what you're talking about.

fresh

<<jtprindl you are a tiresome troll.

I don't know why I bother.>>

because you are extremely happy to do so
it is evident in the number of times you have actively engaged with jtprindl

perhaps you should thank each other for the opportunity to have such a lively conversation

it is obviously something you both wish for
otherwise you wouldn't be doing it

there is nothing preventing you from disengaging
not in the least

hence it is probably a win win



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/2014 03:35PM by la_veronique.

Do what was suggested in this thread: get a glucose monitor and see what happens when you consume all that fruit. :/ Anything like "30 bananas a day" is just a disaster for your long term health.

I've read a lot of people reporting their diets using CRON-O-METER an many come short on Zinc and have high levels of copper in their diet causing a very significant imbalance. Copper and Zinc compete at the same absorption sites in the gut. High level of copper with a low intake or even normal RDI will result in secondary zinc deficiency.

FAT is not bad for you. It is crucial for proper functioning of the body... Getting too little can result in polyneuroapthy.

5% from fat and 5% from protein? that's ridiculously low and completely unnecessary. You NEED fat absorb the beneficial compounds from plant foods (including vitamins).

Josko Osredkar and Natasa Sustar
Copper and Zinc, Biological Role and Significance of Copper/Zinc
Imbalance
[omicsonline.org]

Ada L.Garcia1, Corinna Koebnick1, Peter C. Dagnelie, Carola Strassner, Ibrahim Elmadfa, Norbert Katz, Claus Leitzmann1 and Ingrid Hoffmann1. Long-term strict raw food diet is associated with favourable plasma. b-carotene and low plasma lycopene concentrations in Germans British Journal of Nutrition (2008), 99, 1293–1300 PMID: 18028575

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My blog: [www.crvitality.com]

You need between 8 - 10 mg of zinc for every 1 mg of copper you get (CRUNCH YOUR DIET using software!) That is ratio of 8:1 or 10:1

Many people on these crazy fruit / high carb diets are getting lots of copper but below RDI of zinc. Very bad!

mattscr Wrote:
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> Do what was suggested in this thread: get a
> glucose monitor and see what happens when you
> consume all that fruit. :/ Anything like "30
> bananas a day" is just a disaster for your long
> term health.
>
> I've read a lot of people reporting their diets
> using CRON-O-METER an many come short on Zinc and
> have high levels of copper in their diet causing a
> very significant imbalance. Copper and Zinc
> compete at the same absorption sites in the gut.
> High level of copper with a low intake or even
> normal RDI will result in secondary zinc
> deficiency.
>
> FAT is not bad for you. It is crucial for proper
> functioning of the body... Getting too little can
> result in polyneuroapthy.
>
> 5% from fat and 5% from protein? that's
> ridiculously low and completely unnecessary. You
> NEED fat absorb the beneficial compounds from
> plant foods (including vitamins).


I, too, am very concerned for Ela2013's 90-5-5 diet. I follow her thread in the "Raw Diary - Your Personal Experience" forum but don't want to interfere- she is a very dedicated believer.

I find it horrifying that the 80-10-10 people cheering her on in this thread are not to be found offering her any assistance on her own 8 page thread - and Ela has a major health problem she's struggling with on very few calories. Her menus are all right there for everyone to see. So once again her cheerleader's cheers ring as hollow as everything else 80-10-10 does, IMO.

It's horrifying that you find that horrifying.

I have said multiple times I'm not an 80-10-10er, just FYI. Even in this very thread I reference eating up to 15-20% of calories from fat (and I've been mentioning it and suggesting more fat for years).

And Suez, I think most of us are used to your passive-aggressive insults and BS. I just wanted to say it's not cute.

Utopian Life Wrote:
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> I have said multiple times I'm not an 80-10-10er,
> just FYI.


Are you talking to me? I wasn't talking about you. Not that it matters to anyone other than you.


And, Lol, on your wrong way mirrored projection analysis of me. I've never been called passive before. Also, the less cute I am to lesbians the better so far as I'm concerned, so good - at least I don't have to be creeped out about things like that in my world, "UtopianLife".



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/21/2014 03:15PM by SueZ.

<<<And Suez, I think most of us are used to your passive-aggressive insults and BS. I just wanted to say it's not cute.>>>

Yes, most of us know that SueZ has an AGENDA!!!

SueZ Wrote:
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> Utopian Life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have said multiple times I'm not an
> 80-10-10er,
> > just FYI.
>
>
> Are you talking to me? I wasn't talking about you.
> Not that it matters to anyone other than you.
>
>
> And, Lol, on your wrong way mirrored projection
> analysis of me. I've never been called passive
> before. Also, the less cute I am to lesbians the
> better so far as I'm concerned, so good - at least
> I don't have to be creeped out about things like
> that in my world, "UtopianLife".


You have been called passive now.

suez quote

"I'm not talking about natural hygiene
standards
at all. I'm talking about our own internal
bacteria, which, in essence, being symbiotic, is
a
part of us vs. alien external bacteria."



tsm quote

"l really couldn't be bothered talking about this,
i've spent far more time on answering this post
than l wanted too. You don't believe in ferments
and urine, l do...so be it.

Posting my response here made me feel bored...it
reminded me of going back to the schoolyard again."


What the heck?! You say you in the old oxalate thread you just now dug up again, and posted on, that you are going to maybe write a book about such things but you couldn't be bothered to talk about this subject - your new passion, I brought up last week?!

Are you unaware that o.formigenes is one of those very symbiotic bacteria I was referring to or did you just want to wait to make a big announcement of "your discovery" or something? It's hard to understand that a comment pertaining directly to your latest newly announced passion was just last week too boring to talk about.

Anyway, since o,formigenes is strictly anorobic it is truly in symbiotic relation with us in our lower intestine. We give it a nice home and oxalic food to break down for us. I've read it can deal with 70 to 100 grams of it a day.

SueZ Wrote:
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> suez quote
>
> "I'm not talking about natural hygiene
> standards
> at all. I'm talking about our own internal
> bacteria, which, in essence, being symbiotic,
> is
> a
> part of us vs. alien external bacteria."
>
>
>
> tsm quote
>
> "l really couldn't be bothered talking about
> this,
> i've spent far more time on answering this post
> than l wanted too. You don't believe in
> ferments
> and urine, l do...so be it.
>
> Posting my response here made me feel
> bored...it
> reminded me of going back to the schoolyard
> again."
>
>
> What the heck?! You say you in the old oxalate
> thread you just now dug up again, and posted on,
> that you are going to maybe write a book about
> such things but you couldn't be bothered to talk
> about this subject - your new passion, I brought
> up last week?!
>
> Are you unaware that o.formigenes is one of those
> very symbiotic bacteria I was referring to or did
> you just want to wait to make a big announcement
> of "your discovery" or something? It's hard to
> understand that a comment pertaining directly to
> your latest newly announced passion was just last
> week too boring to talk about.
>
> Anyway, since o,formigenes is strictly anorobic
> it is truly in symbiotic relation with us in our
> lower intestine. We give it a nice home and oxalic
> food to break down for us. I've read it can deal
> with 70 to 100 grams of it a day.

I'll transfer this enquiry tomorrow to the reactivated oxalate thread if it's missed tonight.

Thank you, la_veronique

Indeed, sweet fruits make me happy just thinking about them. I couldn't imagine my life without them...

I guess the key is a balance between sweet fruits and non-sweet fruits/greens/veggies that you tolerate (tender, mild ones). Whenever I tried only sweet fruits, I ended up craving my salads. Whenever I incorporated more non-sweet fruits/greens/veggies, I inevitably wanted my sweet fruits too.

So (at least to me) this proves that both are needed for a healthy balanced diet. I'm sure my body knows he needs them both so he does just that: he naturally lets me know when to have sweet fruits and when to have my salads. It's like a natural circle of sweet fruits/non-sweet fruits that never ends. In my case it goes like this: sweet fruits all day and large salad in the evening, then sweet fruits the next day followed by my evening salad, and so on...

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/24/2014 06:56PM by Ela2013.

I love me some salad. I do. I used to hate salads, until I found my hemp nut ranch recipe. They used to taste like paper to me. I been fruitarian long term at times. BUt now I am eating alot of greens. I see your point. Its really where people are at in their raw food mentality, some go back and forth, and some smear greens then later smear fruit, so its up to you to decide where you are. If your body needs it or not, Or you need energy because you are hyperactively into sports. or just mellow meditating on things in life.

Mado, could you share your hemp nut ranch recipe? Sounds delish.

I posted it in the recipe section here. But noone ever goes there huh



Its from cafe gratitude book. Saved me. Saved me. When I was pregnant, salad tasted so bad. This is only thing that saved me. I have made kale chips with this recipe too. You have to skip the oil for that one.

You can adjust it how you want, like I just add one kind of nut, and add whatever I have in my garden like basil, instead of the cilantro and parsley. And I do not add too much hemp. I got a bag of hemp seeds for $100 dollars. I add that raw coconut aminos instead of tamari. The jalapeno I added half one, it good enough. You have to taste when done, I always add extra himalayan salt. I stick this recipe on my fridge. You have to adjust it for taste, I add more lemon sometimes. Maybe I add half walnuts half hemp. I think its the dill that really makes this, get some good dill or dry some and add alot like three tb!!

This recipe is adapted from one of my favorite cookbooks and restaurants Cafe Gratitude. If you don’t have this book, it’s definitely one to add to your collection!

It is not 80 10 10 but screw them for now. When you want comfort food, go ahead. Something really filling and tasty. And raw.

You’ll need:

3/4 cup olive oil
1/4 cup lemon juice
2 Tbs Tamari
1 cup water
1.5 cups hemp seeds
1 clove garlic
1 Tbs chopped jalapeno
3/4 tsp sea salt
1/4 tsp fresh cracked pepper
3 Tbs fresh dill, chopped fine or 1/4 tsp dried dill
1/2 cup fresh parsley
1/2 cup fresh cilantro
Blend all ingredients until smooth. If you like it to be speckled, blend everything except the parsley and cilantro. Then add those in at the last min and blend until the herbs are mixed in and speckled green.





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/28/2014 05:10AM by coconutcream.