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LOvely Kwan. You know what's going on, well...at least some of it anyway.

A friend of mine faces 3 years jail on Tues, but the Judge has a very big problem because my friend knows the law and has excellent law people behind him. The Judge will be forced to back down and there will be many witnesses in the court to observe the fraud. He will prove to many how the use of cash and credit cards is fraud and how we lawfully need to use the birth certificate to pay bills.

When we use cash to pay bills we are paying the corporations twice. You pay tax twice, you pay fines twice and you pay most bills twice without even knowing it....that's why the laundered trillions from each country are in secret bank accounts...a good friend of mine actually saw the laundered money, and now the High Court has a really BIG problem on their hands, and it is now looking like local govt is on the brink of collapse because this man has proven the fraud beyond a doubt in the court and the chief Justice has his back pinned to the wall and has been running out of the court because he is stuck and can't get around the proof of fraud. BIG stuff going down in my country, but don't expect the media to report it.

When you personally observe people exposing the fraud in the courts and Judges backing down, you KNOW it is real, you KNOW we pay bills twice, you KNOW the courts are not really courts, you KNOW the govt is an imposter posing as a govt etc. Most people don't have any idea of how deep the deception and fraud really goes.

kwan Wrote:
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> I won't argue with zealots...

> Suffice it to say I can't stand...Obama.


That's not sufficient.

A "I was wrong in my zealous support of Barack Obama on the board in 2008"

or

"Those who were critical of Barack Obama on the board in 2008 were right"

would be in order.

Oh... Lois is back, lol! Deja vu. I refuse to get into it with you, lady, but I will give you a brief response:

No, Lois, I don't have to apologize for anything. Obama was the better of 2 candidates, and our choices were pretty horrible -- it was him or John McCain. You, as I remember, were for John McCain (after you realized Ron Paul couldn't possibly win, because let's face it, the libertarian Ayn Randian philosophy is completely without merit, and no one considers it viable as a political option). McCain was-- and is -- no prize either (horrible little man), and is senile and lies through his teeth, as well. I don't see you apologizing for supporting him in 2008.

Those who were critical of Obama in 2008 CRITICIZED HIM FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS: they called him a 'socialist' and a 'communist,' hating him because he was THE BLACK GUY. You know that. I know that. Racism that continues to this day. And they even posted articles (yes you did this) from the Stomrfront.com website (white supremacist website -- for shame, Lois!!!) and they put Obama down not because he was a corporatist who was in the hip pocket of the medical insurance companies, Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, the NSA, etc. etc. etc. (oh no, not at all), but because they believed he was a populist who would be 2008's answer to FDR, serving the 'little people' -- the poor and middle class and not just the 1%.

Even in 2008, my ideal choice was... Democratic Socialism. NOT 'Democrats' or "Republicans' or 'Libertarians' But given the alternative to Obama, I had to vote for the least offensive choice, and I did.

Sharrhan:


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"Even in 2008, my ideal choice was... Democratic Socialism. NOT 'Democrats' or "Republicans' or 'Libertarians' But given the alternative to Obama, I had to vote for the least offensive choice, and I did."

The reason question is, why are you voting?



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kwan Wrote:
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> No, Lois, I don't have to apologize for anything.
> Obama was the better of 2 candidates, and our
> choices were pretty horrible -- it was him or John
> McCain. You, as I remember, were for McCain, who
> was-- and is -- no prize either (horrible little
> man), and is senile and lies through his teeth, as
> well. I don't see you apologizing for supporting
> him in 2008.


Wrong! Jose and I were supporters of Ron Paul and that's who I voted for - as a write-in.


> Those who were critical of Obama in 2008
> CRITICIZED HIM FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS: they
> called him a 'socialist' and a 'communist,' hating
> him because he was THE BLACK GUY. You know that. I
> know that. Racism that continues to this day.


Still playing the Race Card.


> And they even posted articles (yes you did this) from
> the Stomrfront.com website (white supremacist
> website -- for shame, Lois!!!)


Wrong again. I never knowingly posted anything from a legitimate white supremicist website.


> and they put Obama
> down not because he was a corporatist who was in
> the hip pocket of the medical insurance companies,
> Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, the
> NSA, etc. etc. etc. (oh no, not at all), but
> because they believed he was a populist who would
> be 2008's answer to FDR, serving the 'little
> people' -- the poor and middle class and not just
> the 1%.

blah, blah, blah......I criticized him among other things because he was a Warmonger, and was proven correct.

Still can't admit you were wrong.

LOL at Kwan seeing the light of the false red/blue dichotomy after maniacally supporting the "saviour" back in 2008.



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>>> (horrible little man) <<<<


Doncha just love whan people do this. Okay to make fun of a person's stature, but don't critize Big O in any way, shape or form or y'all have to pull out the race card...



Oh, nothing was inferred by the "little man" reference?

I see...well then, nothing was implied by the basketball dude either...

Re John McCain - Might have been a poor choice (debatable), but he was willing to die for this country, a true patroit...and at least we have a pretty good idea of where he was actually born...but I digress...



BTW, AFAIK "it's still George Bush's fault", lol...

The picture is much bigger than the parties. What matters is the people pulling the strings behind those parties. The party issue is only there for the distraction of the masses buying into the illusion.

I never discuss politics because l choose to focus on the bigger picture, ie, the ship (U.S.A corporation etc).

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> when the libertarians hold forth, they
> are welcomed, but too often, when those who care
> about the common good espouse their progressive
> opinions, the thread gets shut down.

Please provide an example of that situation.

Oh, do you mean the way the Political Forum was shut down because the Obama supporters couldn't bear dissent or any criticism of him or entertain an opposing viewpoint?


> This forum is a microcosm of what is happening in
> our country. What a pity!


That I certainly agree with.

veganjuice Wrote:
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> >>> (horrible little man) <<<<
>
>
> Doncha just love whan people do this. Okay to make
> fun of a person's stature, but don't critize Big O
> in any way, shape or form or y'all have to pull
> out the race card...
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> Oh, nothing was inferred by the "little man"
> reference?
>
> I see...well then, nothing was implied by the
> basketball dude either...
>
> Re John McCain - Might have been a poor choice
> (debatable), but he was willing to die for this
> country, a true patroit...and at least we have a
> pretty good idea of where he was actually
> born...but I digress...
>
> [www.sherv.net]
> patient-smiley-emoticon.gif
>
> BTW, AFAIK "it's still George Bush's fault",
> lol...


Hey, Hon!

LOL

Here is something to think about. Goverments cannot rule on social and constitutional issues because they are bound under corporation law as registered companies and are excluded from most rulings they make over the people.

If you bring that up in the courts you will be fighting in the High Court for years.

So what can you do when you know that you pay bills and taxes twice?
Are there any options without running into potential problems?

ecomm Wrote:
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> So what can you do when you know that you pay
> bills and taxes twice?
> Are there any options without running into
> potential problems?

No. If you call them out and point out how they are breaking the law they will send sherrifs to either arrest you or steal your property and sell it.

The first thing you need to do is to do what the rich do...put your assets in another name so the sherrifs have nothing to steal from you. After they have arrested you and put you in the cells for a week or two you can front the Judge, show them your live birth record and offer to pay lawfully by using the payoff method, bucko 5 or promissory note (people actually do this, and my friend will offer to do this again this week). We aren't supposed to know this, so the Judge will refuse and the prosecutor will recommend a big fine, jail etc. Since you showed the live birth record the Judge will let off to think about what action you need to take (it's all a scare tactic). BUT...you need to know the law and what to say or it could easily backfire. Then you go back to court and do the same thing. This could go on for a while.

or...

you file a tort in the court for wrongful arrest. You point out the law to the Magistrate and bring up case law. The magistrate will ignore the law and procede action against you and order you pay the tax/bills and charge you big money on top. But before the Magistrate rolls you over you make sure they impeach themselves so you can take them to the High Court along with your wrongfully made decision in the lower court. When you have done that, be prepared to fight for years and years and file thousands and thousands of pages of paperwork. This way will keep you out of jail, but it will take up all your time for many years of your life to eventually get justice. And you will only get justice if you know the law exeptionally well and play your cards right in the court. The law is so courrupt and stacked against us that most people would have more chance of winning the lottery.

Eg...if l get a speeding fine for doing 5km over the limit, l can file a tort in the Magistrates Court, bring up how the state law is inconsistent with the Australian Standards Act and contravenes section 109 of the Commonwealth Of Australia Constitution. The Magistrate should say "oh yes, sorry about that, we broke the law, case dismissed", but they usually don't say that. They don't care if the state law is invalid, they just say "that's the law and you must obey it". AND...if you insist on your rights and ask if the Magistrate is acting under their oath at this time, they will call sherrifs in and you will be thrown into the cells. If you ask if they have Royal Assent under the Letters Patent they will throw you into jail. If you ask if they have a writ of commission they will likely throw you in the clink. Sometimes they will dismiss the case (they never give you a win because it will be recorded as case law and open the floodgates for others to follow), but most times they will choose to blatanly ignore the law. It's a commercial court...they are mafia types....they extort money from people by force in most cases for situations they have no right to sit in judgement of. The courts run foul of soooo many areas of the constitution, and they are all aprty to fraud and treason and should be jailed, so should every single politician serving (they have all been informed of the fraud and treason), so they are guilty under the Crimes Act for consealing treason. But try putting these lowlives in jail...people l know have spent years trying, but the courts protect their own and won't stamp the charge sheets or dismiss the cases or will try and make you slip up with a clever trun of phrase.

The Judges can be set up for 25 years jail easily, but the High Court will ignore this and only send them to a short course if you are smart enough to nail them after 10 years of fighting.

The police force are not who you think they are either. They can do good work in protecting people, but they usually play the role of lowlives because they extort money out of people by using standover tactics. My friend doesn't have a licence, car registration or submit to any booze/drug tests, and the police can't touch him, but my friend is one in 20 million...once in a generation.

Booze/drug tests constitute rape. They are forcing an object inside your body without any proof you are guilty (assuming you keep you window in the car up). And when they drag you out of your car you will need to launch another court fight that will go for years.

Another bloke l know went to court and they tried to make him take his shoes off at the door. He refused and they said they would have security throw him out. Well...he knows they law exceptionally well and the security backed down really quick when they found out what would happen to them if they tried such a tactic. Some people are stopping these creeps in their tracks, but they are few and far between and have paid a heavy price for their freedom.

I've been threatened from pillar to post also for insisting on my rights. They don't like it when you file legal papers on them. They will threaten and threaten and threaten you, and they won't stop or obey any laws/. They may stop for a while, but they always come back to get you. These people don't care and they are NOT trained to obey the law...they are just programmed mindless robots trained to get your money at ALL COSTS!!!...all they care about is getting your money. BUT...when the govt fines people, the people are now making the govt pay the fines with their own system. It's not hard to do, but you must transfer assets into another name, spend a week or two in the clink and have a court fight.



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Oh boy, this is pretty serious stuff.
So do you put your assets in the name of a family member?
How does this actuálly work?
I mean the only way to protect yourself is to know the law better than the lawyer. But this would take years of studying. Don`t know if it is worth it.
I mean it is clear that the government is corrupt,but what can you do.
It is really hard in this life because you have to become a doctor to treat your diseases (never trust the real doctors),you have to become a lawyer to defend yourself (lawyers don`t always know the law as deeply),you have to be a psychologist to understand your own and other peaoples emotions and you should be your own financial advisor and understand how to earn money effectively.
The "experts" are really no experts and the only expert that you can trust is yourself.

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THE ELITE VS. HUMANITY: This is All Being Done By Design.
5:14 Minute Video

JR's Notes:

0:02 MM
David Icke:
“This is Today’s Flat Earth. The fact that we live in the Cutting Edge of Human Evolution, the Cutting Edge of how far Humanity has come turning a Planet of enormous beauty into a @#$%& Hole at the Cutting Edge of Human Evolution.

As Michael Ellner said, “Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is Upside Down. Doctors destroy Health, Lawyers destroy Justice, Universities destroy Knowledge, Governments destroys Freedom, the major Media destroys Information and Religions destroy Spirituality.” 1:05 MM

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> So do you put your assets in the name of a family
> member?
> How does this actuálly work?

I haven't put assets in another name yet. This means my success has been limited, but l have had some good wins over multi nationals, and still the local govt won't issue any parking fines to me and let me park where ever l like. These are small victories in comparison to what some of the people like Wayne are doing, but it sends a clear message that these people KNOW they are breaking the law.

We have a local govt that claim ownership of the land and rent it out via parking meters, yet they never bought or hired the land...they just took the land, claimed it and then charged people money to park on that land. I say to them "no, you have got no right to charge people money for parking on land you do not own, it is the land of the people, l shall park their for free". Then you do the legal stuff, explain why their `made up laws' are invalid, dictate your conditions on them and the penalties for breaking the various laws.




> I mean the only way to protect yourself is to know
> the law better than the lawyer. But this would
> take years of studying.


It's not hard to know more than a lawyer. We need to remember that most lawyers are just common folk too who are slaves to a system, and they are not going to teach your common garden variety lawyer the `real law' in law school...they only teach them the scraps. The last thing the establishment wants is lawyers knowing their rights/law and having power. Too many lawyers around, so the system needs to keep them dumbed down.

As for Judges...that is a whole different ballgame. Some of them know the law well, but again, many of them don't know much about the law. Why? We have to remember that Judges often get on the bench around 50 year old, and they are trained in the `real law' so many hours per month. But even after 20 years on the bench their is still much they don't know. They don't spend a large amount of time training and learning the law because they are always in court and presiding over cases.

BUT, there are some people out there who know far more than the Judges. This is because certain people have spent 20 - 30 years learning the law for hours each day and have put far more time into learning the law than any Judge. An example is a friend of mine who is wiping the floor with these Judges.

If you watch from about 20 mins on you will see him in action. Above genious level IQ, close to photographic memory, studies the law up to 12 hours per day and over 20 years experience. He is one of a kind.
[www.youtube.com]

Wayne on your rights:
[www.youtube.com]



>Don`t know if it is worth
> it.

You certainly don't do it for money because this will take many years of your life. You only do it for the principle of stopping people invading your rights. Is it worth it?...l don't think it is...l would rather teach people about health, BUT...l come out fighting when l need to.



> I mean it is clear that the government is
> corrupt,but what can you do.

You can do alot, but the price paid is HUGE!!!


> It is really hard in this life because you have to
> become a doctor to treat your diseases (never
> trust the real doctors),you have to become a
> lawyer to defend yourself (lawyers don`t always
> know the law as deeply),you have to be a
> psychologist to understand your own and other
> peaoples emotions and you should be your own
> financial advisor and understand how to earn money
> effectively.
> The "experts" are really no experts and the only
> expert that you can trust is yourself.


Yes. These so called experts are usually very dumbed down. The lawyers are extremely dmbed down (I am my own lawyer), many of the Judges are dumbed down (but not all), doctors are dumbed down, history people are dumbed down etc. They send you to university to learn the scraps, and they are not ever going to teach the common public the good stuff. The only people who would learn the good stuff are the secret society types.


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Note - there is also a system called siezing the assets of govt via commercial liens. 99.99% of people have never been able to pull it off against courts/govt, but there is supposed to be a very small number of people who can do it. I meet such a man tomorrow to ask how l can do it against govt...he is a brilliant man and a law lecturer and had much success. If he can prove his claim this is the golden egg. The ability to pull of asset seizures of govt is what gives us the ultimate power...so when they break the law you confiscate the govt assets and put the employees in debt for going along with the law breaches. It is a fair system because they get fair warning and are informed of the law breaches, and the employees can back down and choose to obey the law if they choose to. These liens are powerful things, because if people do the wrong thing you take everything they own. I meet this man tomorrow, l ask for proof he has done it, and if he has l will hold the upper hand against any unlawful govt. Will it get me shot?...maybe.



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"The ability to pull of asset seizures of govt is what gives us the ultimate power...so when they break the law you confiscate the govt assets and put the employees in debt for going along with the law breaches."

Yeah but if they're so corrupt and insensible to the point where they are knowingly stealing from, imprisoning, and physically harming others just because they feel they are superior or more entitled, why would they all of the sudden back down if you prove all of this in court?

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> Even in 2008, my ideal choice was... Democratic Socialism <


Yeah, because it's working so well in Europe -- LOL

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What life in Socialist Europe is Actually Like


[www.examiner.com]


"After spending years living in socialist Germany and exploring all over Europe, what is striking is that, even in one of the wealthiest non-U.S. places on Earth, it is all about learning to do without.

Let's examine the facts:

-There is a crushing 20% sales tax on everything. There is also a TV tax, a radio tax, a dog tax, a death tax of up to 50%, and every other kind of tax you could possibly imagine...for a grand total of about 60-65% of your income (unless you have already been brutalized into poverty by this system, in which case you get welfare).

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." --Ronald Reagan

-There is no such thing as Central Air...people just suffer through the heat, and freeze in the Winter with these dinky little radiator-heaters (which is all most people can afford, due to staggering government utility costs).

-Gasoline is usually $7-10 per gallon (about 1.50 Euros per liter as I write this), due to the government's insanely aggressive taxes on fuel.

-People usually cannot afford 15 or even 30-year mortgages...they often must get 50-year mortgages to purchase a home (government makes housing astronomically expensive).

-Consumers are 100% disregarded, given total crap for options, and complaints over terrible service are completely ignored.

-It takes six hours to do half a load of laundry (government forces people to use these tiny, 'environmentally-friendly' laundry machines).

-Showers are the size of phone booths, water heaters are often woefully inadequate, and all water services cost an absolute fortune.

-Closets do not exist. The only thing you can do to store and organize your clothing is to purchase a huge, bulky piece of furniture called a "wardrobe" for every bedroom, which leaves you with very little actual living space in the already incredibly tiny homes Europeans must deal with.

-You can't wash your own car in your own driveway. That might hurt the environment, so you must take your vehicle to a government-approved car wash and wildly overpay someone else to do it for you.

-Even the "big," "Americanized" trash bins hold no more than a wastebasket of garbage...for two weeks of waste (no matter how many people live in your home). If the can is overflowing, they will not take your garbage, and every single item is required by law to be organized into separate color-coded recycling bags.

-You cannot even name your own child without government approval. There is literally an agency you must register with upon giving birth that decides whether or not your child's name is acceptable to the government.

-Gun rights do not exist. The only way to get access to any firearms whatsoever is through a jaw-droppingly extreme permit/licensing process that involves taking elaborate tests, paying fees, and proving to the government you have a "legitimate" reason for wanting a gun (hunting, target shooting, etc.).

And even if you do manage to jump through all the hoops required to get a gun, you can still only keep it if you regularly verify to the government that you are actively using it for the purpose you listed, or it will be confiscated.

-Hunting and fishing also require an insane process of government-mandated training, tests, fees, licenses, permits and endless other restrictions.

-Having extreme views is illegal. Being a Neo-Nazi is a crime, as is questioning the Holocaust, or anything that could possibly be construed as "hate speech" by the left. Flipping someone off is also a criminal offense.

-It costs thousands of dollars to get a license, own a car, and pay for the more than $1 million of auto insurance you are forced to carry...and there are speed cameras everywhere, and there is no gray area (my boss couldn't even get out of a ticket from when he sped his wife to the hospital to give birth).

-Nearly two-thirds of YouTube’s top 1,000 videos have been banned in Germany due to the fanatical German Journalists’ Union (DJV) absurdly demanding that artists be paid for each and every video that in any way uses any part of their music--even if it is just some random user having part of some random song on in the background of their video.

-Company web sites are usually primitive and have inaccurate/outdated information, while almost no one answers their phone and you are forced to show up repeatedly during (often ridiculously narrow) operating hours to get the simplest product or service. Germans only work 36-39 hours per week, and the French have a 35-hour work week.

It goes on and on, and on.

Democrats, who used to absolutely crucify people for pointing out their socialist ideas and beliefs, now openly defend this disastrous, time-disproven ideology (see deregulation and lower taxes in China in the 1980s, in India in the 1990s, in Ireland in the early 2000s, and the left's class warfare insanity that destroyed the US economy in 2008) as it punishes success, rewards failure, and lures self-reliant individuals into total nanny state dependence through handouts.

Usually, they try to justify it by arguing that Europe has superior, more affordable education and health care (as if freedom were irrelevant and all that mattered was being better-maintained cattle). But when you actually live there, you can't help but notice that there is more to the story...as when you discover that you have to pay a small fortune to get your kids through grade school. Or that you still have to pay through the nose for insurance every month, cover all your own prescription costs, and sit on waiting lists to see a "free" doctor.

The bottom line: The only difference between the nanny state socialist control freaks of Europe and the ruthless Third World tyrants they condemn, is that in Europe, they bankrupt, impoverish, and enslave people through the charade of voting, as opposed to at gun point...to maintain the appearance of legitimacy.

Think about that next time you're sitting in the lap of luxury listening to Democrats talk about how well socialism works."

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "The ability to pull of asset seizures of govt is
> what gives us the ultimate power...so when they
> break the law you confiscate the govt assets and
> put the employees in debt for going along with the
> law breaches."
>
> Yeah but if they're so corrupt and insensible to
> the point where they are knowingly stealing from,
> imprisoning, and physically harming others just
> because they feel they are superior or more
> entitled, why would they all of the sudden back
> down if you prove all of this in court?

That is the beauty of asset seizers and why various people successfully use bucko 5, promissory notes and payoff methods...they are financial instruments and the courts have no authority over them.

The govt can choose to change certain laws to make it more difficult, especially with asset seizers, but people seem to be smart enough to still get around it. As for bucko 5 etc, imo they can't change those rules because they are supposed to be a universal financial instrument used by Judges and bankers etc. That is the big secret we are not supposed to know...it is the knowledge of the of the Knights of Malta and other illuminati and servants to the illuminati. I have been taught how to draw up these financial instruments and use them, but l still have more to learn, and tomorrow l get another opportunity to see how powerful the regular man on the street can be by using these instruments and the law. Seeing is the thing we need to do, because you can't always trust what you read and hear on the internet....you must witness it.



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> BERniE SANDERS 2016


Of course Denmark is considered the ultimate Democratic Socialist Utopia among the Progressive Socialist Bernie Sanders/Thom Hartmann supporters -

Who wouldn't want to live there -

************

European Socialism: Why America Doesn't Want It - Forbes

[www.forbes.com]

Lessons Better Left in Denmark

[www.teapartypatriots.org]

Denmark Is No Proof that Socialism Is Good

[socialismdoesntwork.com]

Thom Hartmann is lost on me these days. He got a better time for his gig and now he seems to be an Obama shillbot.

Kwan, I hope you read this. The notion that Obama is the evil of two lessers doesn't wash anymore. How can you cast a vote for someone doing what he is doing? Just on the issue of drones alone! And I could name a bunch of other ones. Whether or not there are racist people who don't like him because he's Black (that goes without saying) doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever, whenever.

There are more than two parties. You might not feel that the Green Party is viable but it's a weak argument to say that McCain was senile and worse than Obama (I don't believe either claims) and therefore you support Obama. The Democratic Party was co-opted long ago! Admit it and move on. And PLEASE support a third party next time rather than the fascist in a pantsuit!

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> The libertarians and Tea Party zealots are the
> most deluded of all, because the philosophy they
> espouse is the property and dogma of their
> corporate puppet-masters


Wrong again - the Lib/Dems are the deluded party now, who are espousing Crony Capitalism/Corporatism, as opposed to those nasty Libertarian/Tea Party Conservatives, who have always been against such -

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Wingnuts and Liberals’ Bizarre Role Reversal: Why Export-Import Bank Politics are so Perverse
Nowadays, Democrats are defending Ex-Im, and the Right is calling it "Corporate Welfare."

[www.salon.com]

"A fascinating game of role reversal is playing out in Congress, where Democrats are teaming up with the Chamber of Commerce, and Republicans are using phrases like “stop corporate welfare.” What has turned Washington into a wonky remake of Freaky Friday? The reauthorization of the Export-Import (Ex-Im) Bank, a government-run enterprise that grants loans and insurance at below-market rates to facilitate large trade deals."

"While Libertarian groups like the Cato Institute have been consistent on opposing Ex-Im for picking corporate winners and losers, most of the rest of D.C. has shifted. Establishment conservatives like the incoming majority leader, Kevin McCarthy, once supported Ex-Im. Now he opposes it. While some Republicans still support the bank – 41 House GOP members endorsed it Monday – a large majority of the caucus has turned away, following the lead of Financial Services Committee chair Jeb Hensarling. Republicans barely reauthorized Ex-Im two years ago, amid Tea Party resistance to “Crony Capitalism.”

Anti-crony capitalist Republicans have made this their top priority, and leaders like Republican Jeb Hensarling have turned a deaf ear to businesses in their home states and districts who want the bank renewed. A hearing in Hensarling’s House Financial Services Committee today was stacked with Ex-Im opponents. The bank could really go down.

Meanwhile, Democrats have rushed to Ex-Im’s aid.

I know plenty of liberals who wished deeply for decades for such an outcome. One wonders, if the opportunity comes, whether they will support their party, or their conscience."

************


At Export-Import Bank Hearing: GOP Dings Big Business; Dems Exalt Corporate America

[washingtonexaminer.com]

"Republican Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling opened today's hearing on the Export-Import Bank by excoriating corporate welfare and calling out big businesses by name in something of a populist speech

Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Mich., also criticized Ex-Im as the "Big Business Administration," explicitly naming General Electric and Caterpillar.

On the other side of the aisle, Democrats were singing hosannas to corporate America.

Rep. Denny Heck, D-Wash., warned darkly that if Ex-Im dies, we might "wake up in 20 years" in a world with no Boeing.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., pointed to the Chamber-of-Commerce-led lobbying effort to save Ex-Im and declared, "865 businesses and associations can't be wrong!"

This is a real realignment in American politics. Democrats are becoming explicitly Corporatist, while Republicans are slowly shedding that garb."

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "The ability to pull of asset seizures of govt is
> what gives us the ultimate power...so when they
> break the law you confiscate the govt assets and
> put the employees in debt for going along with the
> law breaches."
>
> Yeah but if they're so corrupt and insensible to
> the point where they are knowingly stealing from,
> imprisoning, and physically harming others just
> because they feel they are superior or more
> entitled, why would they all of the sudden back
> down if you prove all of this in court?

My friend went to court today and paid $142,000 worth of tollway fines with a $1 postage stamp. I witnessed it and the Judge accepted it as legal tender for payment. He avoided 3 years jail by making the system foot the $142,000 bill.

When l tell you what went down it will blow your mind.

I will also show you how we can pay all bills and fines using a $1 postage stamp. And if a policeman issues you with a fine you can say "no problem...double it if you like, because you are going to end up paying it". Note: a bill or fine is nearly always an offer to pay...it is optional, but you have to know the law and how to write financial instruments correctly. Speeding fines are always optional, rates are optional, tax is optional, utility bills are optional.



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"I will also show you how we can pay all bills and fines using a $1 postage stamp. And if a policeman issues you with a fine you can say "no problem...double it if you like, because you are going to end up paying it"."

That's awesome and how it should be, the people should control the government, not the other way around. I hope there's a revolution in the U.S. sometime soon, I'm excited to see what the future holds with more and more people waking up to all the corruption and refusing to let corporations take advantage of them. Unfortunately, even though awakenings are on the rise, it's still a very small percentage of the population. Many are still dumbed downed by big pharma, alcohol, fluoride, heavy metals, processed foods, television, etc.

I have also been told that there are a bunch of people who are true nationals of their nation.

Note: nationals of a nation = the govt aren't allowed to fine, tax, pull them over for traffic stops or tell them what to do UNLESS they committ a crime like murder or stealing etc. Yes, true common law under the King James Bible does apply, NOT the common which has been tampered with by the bar association of the City of London. Note...the law book common law includes statutes, but that isn't the real version, and we proved that there today, and many other people we know prove it all the time. The lawyers will swear our understanding of common law is wrong, but they are dumbed down in law school by the bar association's version of common law.

Nationals of a nation = free, and where people have no Mr/Mrs in their name and live birth records and no birth certificate.

Citizens of a country = slaves. It is the illusionary system where we have Mr/Mrs and birth certificates.

The people who are nationals of a nation get told by heads of national security and the govt that they are free to do as they please (providing the don't committ murder or steel or hurt people), BUT BUT BUT...they must never tell another person how they got free and became nationals. If they do they are murdered never to be seen again. You will never see anyone online give all the secrets because they will disappear.

Nationals v's citizens = very significant words.

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The good stuff is yet to come. Tomorrow l will tell the incredible story of what went down, and l will also show you the secrets that we aren't supposed to know...making the system foot the bill for their corruption so it backfires on them. This is going to be beautiful.

"BUT BUT BUT...they must never tell another person how they got free and became nationals. If they do they are murdered never to be seen again."

Are they really free then? Maybe more "privileged" but if you don't have the liberty to share this extremely valuable information without being killed, is it worth it to go through so much trouble just so you don't have to pay a fine here or there? Are you a national?



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But you really have to know the law to avoid problems.
I still think that it is very risky to try to not pay taxes etc.
You will be on the radar and it may become problematic.
Although you could save a ton of money

ecomm Wrote:
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> But you really have to know the law to avoid
> problems.
> I still think that it is very risky to try to not
> pay taxes etc.
> You will be on the radar and it may become
> problematic.


If you have good people to guide you who have done it then it can be much easier.

What l need to find out is if negating the threats of sherrifs coming to the door by crossing out the terms of offer on the fine and marking it not negotiable will work if you still have assets. It looks like it might work. I'll explain more in a moment by posting an example of what people have been doing and winning so people understand this better.

jtprindl: of course you are free for obvious reasons. The millions of laws no longer apply to extort money from you. You may not be free to tell people everything, but along your journey you are going to be greatly educating people before the order to stop, so many people can still get benefit.

Here is what people are using to pay their bills and fines the lawful way. It is accepted by the system, but they don’t like it because it gives us power and stops them laundering taxation/fine revenue to hidden overseas bank accounts. There are lots of disinfo agents on the internet saying it doesn’t work and that you will go to jail…they wish to put fear into people so they don’t do it. But rest assured, it does work – l saw it work yesterday and l know other people who have successfully used it. A Judge will accept this as a legal instrument to pay because it is a universal financial instrument of value. I understand top bankers and Judges use this…they don’t use the cash system like we slaves do because cash is an illusion of value put upon the people who are gullible enough to swallow the lie.


Cash exists because it creates a perception of value, but all it is, is useless bits of paper. Cash is designed to create the rulers who have control over the masses. The illusion of monetary value creates power so they can keep the masses in line via threats. With illusionary money the leaders in the system can buy people off and control the way things work. It’s all power based on illusion.
See…we have a certain value placed on us based on our value to contribute to the nation via our labour/services to the nation. They account for this by placing roughly $20 million dollars in each of our birth certificate accounts and float it on the stock exchange (my friend claims to have seen these secret accounts with the help of an IT guru)…this is what pays our bills and taxes etc. But they also use the cash system to double dip and get us to pay twice.


When you pay a fine the system use one of these financial instruments below to draw out of your secret Cestie Que Vie trust account (your birth certificate)…this trust account is not you, it is a created entity. The law actually acknowledges these secret trust accounts in their law literature despite flatly denying they exist. So when they draw out of your trust they also double dip by extorting cash out of you by using bully boy threats, but we can stop all this scam and negate these threats. What we don’t realize is that these threats are only offers….it’s a trick they play.


The fine below is only an offer. It is also not a proper fine because it is not an invoice, it is only a printed out piece of paper trying to make people think it is a genuine demand. The system has the real invoice, but it sends out an imitation fine with imitation threats. IF you do things the right way you can call them out without consequences.


Looking at the fine below.
Note: I changed details of the name, signature, address, initials and codes to keep info private.




• The amount owing ($280) was cross out because l rejected the offer. Instead l made it non existant because the amount owing is an illusion that l have called them out on.

• I crossed out all stuff relating to an offense because no offense was committed under common law.

• The date of birth was crossed out because l am not a dead entity living on a boat of the sea under maritime law (no rights when off land…you must do what the captain [the system] says), l am a man living on the land.

• All the options were crossed out because l don’t accept any of those offers.

• I stamped it as an inchoate instrument because it is an incompleted contract not agreed upon by all parties. In other words, l reject all their offers so there is no contract.

• I launch a supra protest. In other words l am saying l don’t give up my rights by accepting these unfair offers.

• I pay 5 cents stamp duty to make it legal and not commit fraud.

• I also pay with a $1 postage stamp that they can tear off and use as legal tender. I stick the stamp to the side of the gutter so the stamp can be used. This stops them from taking action against me saying l didn’t make an effort to pay. The $50 was only stamped on the gutter stamp to mess with them lol.

• I mark all my offers as not negotiable without legal action. They either except my $1 stamp or get nothing….take it or leave it.



Second page:

They say if you do not pay the fine they will either: arrest you, steal your property, cancel your drivers licence etc.






This are all offers, and if you do it right you can turn them into empty threats. It is an intimidation tactic for the gullible. If you believe in the illusion and think it is real and play the role of the dead person it WILL become real and you lose everything. BUT…if you see this piece of paper for the unlawful illusion that it is and call them out, you win!
I crossed out all the offers (threats) to buy into their illusionary world. This effectively changed the contract on my terms and l stamped it as accepted as indorsed.


This is what people are doing. It works!

Warning: don’t go using this unless you study the law extensively and KNOW people who can prove they are using this effectively. Please don’t take my word for it, find someone who you KNOW uses it before you try it. Don’t believe what anyone tells you on the internet, you must see it for yourself.

Next l will tell of the lies of the court to try and negate it. The prosecutor has to pay the bond money if he loses, so he stalked me half the day telling me lies so l could get my friend convicted. It was really wierd, but the friends of the courts (court people who support the fraudulent system) will sink to the lowest levels to get out of paying and to perpetrate the lie to keep us in slavery. This prosecutor was prepared to have someone jailed for three years to get out of paying the bond money himself. The courts are full of tricks. What did all this had to do with me? I will tell you the story in a moment.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/01/2014 09:41PM by The Sproutarian Man.