The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> He says he is 64 in this 2011 video.
> [www.youtube.com]
> UbD4uhtoQRLBS0ZZ-qVdMvg&index=120
>
> He gave up all fruit and hardly ever eats any
> vegetables. One year he ate three corn cobbs for
> his yearly vegetable intake. Wow.
>
> One thing we can say, there is more to diet than
> what we have been lead to believe. The long lived
> people do well on cooked food and animal products
> and the raw vegans nearly all fall off the wagon
> and/or get sick with their low fat high carb
> diets. I wish this was not the case and we could
> all tbrive on raw fruits and veggies, but it is
> what it is. I choose to face facts.

There is no historical evidence out there that would make me go back eating cooked food and animal products.
Living a long life on these foods does not say much how healthy they were.
Another point is that these long lived people did not eat that much and had very active life.
Raw veganism may not be a complete diet but one can thrive on greens, sprouts, and some nuts and seeds.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> One thing we can say, there is more to diet than
> what we have been lead to believe. The long lived
> people do well on cooked food and animal products
> and the raw vegans nearly all fall off the wagon
> and/or get sick with their low fat high carb
> diets.

They follow someone else models. If they cannot do 801010 they jump to all fat. But if you add a little fat and retry it works. You don't have to be all black or white. You don't actually need any road maps but people fall for their stories. They read books and if it sounds reasonable, they swear for them. If you fail at 801010, try 15% fat instead or whatever. Forget the book. Just about everybody here has a different diet.



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Panchito Wrote:
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But if you add a
> little fat and retry it works.

You say you eat a few handfuls of nuts a day but seem to not realize you are on a high fat diet - unless you have little pixie sized hands. You say eating 20% cooked food is still raw vegan.
You say if you add a little fat to an 80-10-10 diet it works. What are you saying works, your personal beacon of light diet or 80-10-10?

I only eat a chunk of fat once a day and it is walnuts, almonds, and sometimes cashews. Maybe one cup total not sure. I also add two tea spoons of flax seeds to my smoothies. hmm...what else... I may eat an avocado a week. Some chia seeds on a salad. Some pumpkin seeds. The trick is that I can tell when I over do the fat (bad cardio performance). So I follow a 'fat feedback' mechanism instead of a book rule. If I eat little fat, I also feel it in less sleep, grumpy, etc. So two feedbacks based on experience and performance. Now, you want me to tell YOU what you need? ja ja I can just barely tell myself what I need but it is ~15% fat give or take (it changes). One week I'll tell you I eat two handfull of nuts but the next week I would eat less. That's how it works. The trick is to have some feedback.


SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> But if you add a
> > little fat and retry it works.
>
> You say you eat a few handfuls of nuts a day but
> seem to not realize you are on a high fat diet -
> unless you have little pixie sized hands. You say
> eating 20% cooked food is still raw vegan.
> You say if you add a little fat to an 80-10-10
> diet it works. What are you saying works, your
> personal beacon of light diet or 80-10-10?



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> He says he is 64 in this 2011 video.
> [www.youtube.com]
> UbD4uhtoQRLBS0ZZ-qVdMvg&index=120
>
> He gave up all fruit and hardly ever eats any
> vegetables. One year he ate three corn cobbs for
> his yearly vegetable intake. Wow.
>
> One thing we can say, there is more to diet than
> what we have been lead to believe. The long lived
> people do well on cooked food and animal products
> and the raw vegans nearly all fall off the wagon
> and/or get sick with their low fat high carb
> diets. I wish this was not the case and we could
> all tbrive on raw fruits and veggies, but it is
> what it is. I choose to face facts.

That's his correct age. He was born in 1947. He was 65 in his last videos.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He says he is 64 in this 2011 video.
> >
> [www.youtube.com]
>
> > UbD4uhtoQRLBS0ZZ-qVdMvg&index=120
> >
> > He gave up all fruit and hardly ever eats any
> > vegetables. One year he ate three corn cobbs
> for
> > his yearly vegetable intake. Wow.
> >
> > One thing we can say, there is more to diet
> than
> > what we have been lead to believe. The long
> lived
> > people do well on cooked food and animal
> products
> > and the raw vegans nearly all fall off the
> wagon
> > and/or get sick with their low fat high carb
> > diets. I wish this was not the case and we
> could
> > all tbrive on raw fruits and veggies, but it is
> > what it is. I choose to face facts.
>
> That's his correct age. He was born in 1947. He
> was 65 in his last videos.

Yes. I suspect the site that Panchito posted contained a typing error.

"Maybe one cup total not sure."

One cup of whole almonds is 822 calories (592 from fat).
One cup of whole walnuts is 654 calories (546 from fat).

That's an average of 738 calories from nuts (569 from fat). So if you're eating 569 calories of fat per day (more since this doesn't include the seeds and avocado), you would need to be eating more than 3,500 calories per day to achieve 15% fat. Do you eat 3,500+ calories per day? Hope the nuts and seeds are sprouted.

Panchito Wrote:
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> Now, you want me to tell YOU what you need?

I don't know how you came to that question from my post but no.

ja ja
> I can just barely tell myself what I need but it
> is ~15% fat give or take (it changes). One week
> I'll tell you I eat two handfull of nuts but the
> next week I would eat less. That's how it works.
> The trick is to have some feedback.

So then you are saying it is your own personal beacon of light diet that works and not the 80-10-10 low fat raw vegan diet which you are not on.

Were you ever on a lfrv diet? They are very rigid and don't allow much room at all for feedback compared to your diet. No cooked food allowed either in raw vegan diets - other than yours, of course.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Maybe one cup total not sure."
>
> One cup of whole almonds is 822 calories (592 from
> fat).
> One cup of whole walnuts is 654 calories (546 from
> fat).
>


and don't forget to add coconut fat to make sure you get some saturated fat to elevate the cholesterol levels and to at least double conversion ofEPA/DHA.

www.thesproutarian.com

The Sproutarian Man, regarding what you said about the watermelon experiment, it happened to me too, for the first time this summer, it never happened before. Every time after eating as little as 1-2 slices of watermelon in one sitting, I got dizzy, feeling light-headed and needing to lay down, like the room was spinning with me. I got scared, not knowing what was going on. It happened only with watermelon, not with any other fruit (I head a similar dizziness experience after eating tomatoes, but not that serious, just a light dizziness). With watermelon, I also got headaches and I felt like it wasn't safe for me to do anything as I basically wasn't able to do much at that point. Sometimes it passed after 30 min, other times this feeling went on the next day.

Reading on the internet I found out that watermelon is known to cause low blood pressure. And I thought also about watermelon causing high blood sugar (a sugar spike). In relation to tomatoes, I read that too much lycopene can cause dizziness (watermelon contains lycopene too).

Please write a post when you find out more about watermelon causing dizziness.

I liked the article you posted about the fruity maniacs. I'm stubborn from birth and I do have the tendency to get angry (but I try not to manifest) since I live in a very negative and hostile environment.

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.

I eat ~ a cup of nuts a day. BUT if I feel sluguish, I start eatiung less nuts. That works for me. I may hit 20% fat some days. Other days 10%. Not sure. The most important thing is not in the exact amount but that my method works for me. If one day I eat 35% fat hey, no prob. I don't feel guilty. I just readjust to my performance point. Fat makes the brain feel good but makes the body slow and not willing to do much. All people do is create theories and justifications so that the brain feels better. There is a middle point where you get the best of both worlds.

PS: I burn ~750 calories just on the elliptical machine. I think I easily burn +1000 (or way more) calories swimming.


jtprindl Wrote:
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hat's an average of 738 calories from nuts (569
> from fat). So if you're eating 569 calories of fat
> per day (more since this doesn't include the seeds
> and avocado), you would need to be eating more
> than 3,500 calories per day to achieve 15% fat. Do
> you eat 3,500+ calories per day? Hope the nuts and
> seeds are sprouted.

A cup of nuts a day, that is a lot nuts.
I will go for two or three cups per week.

I switch to less nuts when I need to. How much exercise do you do?

I am a member of gym and do exercise 2 hours a day about 5 times a week.
I am about to get into hot yoga.
I juice a lot of greens, sprouts, wheatgrass
Most of my nuts are sprouted first, some fermented.
Maybe I should increase the nuts in my diet but so far it works

You do more or less what I do. One thing I notice is that people are different. Some people just hang around. After I train, my tshirt looks like just came out from a bucket of water (wet) and my face is redish. Other people look just like when they came in. So two hours can mean different things. I swim 1.5 hours at a time and I also do sauna at the end. I see some people that do yoga and do laps but they take breaks and they don't last much.



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"Fat makes the brain feel good but makes the body slow and not willing to do much."

Maybe for you because your body hasn't adjusted to burning ketones for energy. I can have a very high-fat meal of around 800-900 calories or so and feel energized, focused, and in a very good mood.

"All people do is create theories and justifications so that the brain feels better."

Usually when people make accusations like this, it's because they themselves are the one's doing it so they think they can easily see it in others because it resonates well with their own thinking.

"I swim 1.5 hours at a time"

Hopefully you're not swimming in a bleach/chlorine filled pool.

"I eat ~ a cup of nuts a day."

You seem to eat a relatively higher-fat diet so maybe we need to talk about what we actually consider "high-fat". I would say high-fat is anywhere between 30-40%+. I'm probably around 40% fat and I never feel sluggish unless I've gone too long without eating. Do you sprout your nuts and seeds?



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ketogenic diets are really bad news no matter how you try to dress them. Won't slide that as good.

[www.youtube.com]

What ever floats your boat, I am not going to arque with people that ignore that science and dangers of ketogenic diets. If you want to do them, go for it, but don't come up with burried quantum theories that say how good they are. It is pointless. If you want to play the role of expert, go ahead. ja ja. you seem to push people with your assumptions, disregarding what I say like eating less nuts, into your own spider web of theories that revolts about sprouts. If it is not sprouts it is poison and you can demonstrate it. But I am not playing that game. it just sucks. I rather enjoy my helath and avoid the engaging in forum junk.

Have a nice day.

"ketogenic diets are really bad news no matter how you try to dress them. Won't slide that as good."


Not even close.


"What ever floats your boat, I am not going to arque with people that ignore that science and dangers of ketogenic diets. If you want to do them, go for it, but don't come up with burried quantum theories that say how good they are. It is pointless. If you want to play the role of expert, go ahead. ja ja. you seem to push people with your assumptions, disregarding what I say like eating less nuts, into your own spider web of theories that revolts about sprouts. If it is not sprouts it is poison and you can demonstrate it. But I am not playing that game. it just sucks. I rather enjoy my helath and avoid the engaging in forum junk."


What are you even talking about? Literally had nothing to do with anything I said. And calling anything that you disagree with "quantum theories" based on pure bias and ignorance doesn't change the reality. Explaining nutrition to you is like trying to teach a toddler calculus. That's not an insult, just a metaphor for how it feels like when attempting to converse with you. A combination of you not being "all there" in the head and also being blinded by ego, bias, and outdated misinformation. You have a dictator-type mentality... "everyone must be low-fat or it's unhealthy because I say so". Nope, sorry, but you really have no clue. I'm not an expert (no one is) but I'm far beyond your level of health and nutritional knowledge, which is why it's difficult to even talk to you. You may want to stop eating unsprouted nuts (by the way, many bulk-store nuts are actually not raw but a loophole in the law allows them to be titled 'raw') and bathing your body in bleach (poison) on a consistent basis. Kind of ironic since you always talk about nuts and AGE's but you're likely eating heat-treated or pasteurized nuts which are the one's that contain high amounts of AGE's, unlike true raw nuts.



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its not extreme if it works for you

that's all i know

Ela2013 Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man, regarding what you said about
> the watermelon experiment, it happened to me too,
> for the first time this summer, it never happened
> before. Every time after eating as little as 1-2
> slices of watermelon in one sitting, I got dizzy,
> feeling light-headed and needing to lay down, like
> the room was spinning with me. I got scared, not
> knowing what was going on. It happened only with
> watermelon, not with any other fruit (I head a
> similar dizziness experience after eating
> tomatoes, but not that serious, just a light
> dizziness). With watermelon, I also got headaches
> and I felt like it wasn't safe for me to do
> anything as I basically wasn't able to do much at
> that point. Sometimes it passed after 30 min,
> other times this feeling went on the next day.
>
> Reading on the internet I found out that
> watermelon is known to cause low blood pressure.
> And I thought also about watermelon causing high
> blood sugar (a sugar spike). In relation to
> tomatoes, I read that too much lycopene can cause
> dizziness (watermelon contains lycopene too).
>
> Please write a post when you find out more about
> watermelon causing dizziness.
>
> I liked the article you posted about the fruity
> maniacs. I'm stubborn from birth and I do have the
> tendency to get angry (but I try not to manifest)
> since I live in a very negative and hostile
> environment.
>
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I will have to take my blood pressure.Thanks for the info. I will go back on the melons soon.

I had always been an angry man full of hate, BUT the raw food diet greatly tamed the savage beast within and enlightenment completely killed off the savage beast. I am now cool, calm, loving and collected.

We can go from monster to angel. No need to act like an angel, you BECOME an angel. INCREDIBLE!!!

Yes, negative vibrations can easily infiltrate us, even through the internet. We are all connected (100% know that) and can link up with each other psychically , but many still are not aware of what our abilities are. The stuff l could talk about woulkd blow minds.

I'll post some science on ketogenic diets and long term results another day. Lots of scarey talk out there, but is it as bad as the nay sayers make out?...don't think it is. Dr Coisens speaks well of it too.

The video I posted shows the effects

voluntary caloric restriction (yeah, the diet makes you lose weight by not eating)

long term loss of lean body mass (aka skinny fat)

very high AGEs. You though it would make you younger looking? Skinny fat helps with the wrinkles (subcutaneous fat).

did I mention acidosis? yeah, if you want to be acidic jump on it. YOu get free stones in the kidney as bonus.

To see some whats going on inside the body: see min 15:40 of the vid

look on the internet for the side effects of ketogenic diets. There is a free book called the carbophobia that explains the junk science behind and the american upbringing of the ketogenic diet. Pretty much they pull "science" out of nowhere like magic but it is all smoke.

free: [www.atkinsexposed.org]



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Panchito Wrote:
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> The video I posted shows the effects
>
> voluntary caloric restriction (yeah, the diet
> makes you lose weight by not eating)
>
> long term loss of lean body mass (aka skinny fat)
>
> very high AGEs. You though it would make you
> younger looking? Skinny fat helps with the
> wrinkles (subcutaneous fat).
>
> did I mention acidosis? yeah, if you want to be
> acidic jump on it. YOu get free stones in the
> kidney as bonus.
>
> To see some whats going on inside the body: see
> min 15:40 of the vid
>
> look on the internet for the side effects of
> ketogenic diets. There is a free book called the
> carbophobia that explains the junk science behind
> and the american upbringing of the ketogenic diet.
> Pretty much they pull "science" out of nowhere
> like magic but it is all smoke.
>
> free:
> [www.atkinsexposed.org]
> A:_The_Scary_Truth_About_Americas_Low-Carb_Craze.h
> tm


1.) Raw fats are low in AGE's as evidenced by the multiple scientific studies I have posted. Real studies.. not PDF's from random websites.

2.) I've just learned that AGE's are thoroughly eliminated with high amounts of glutathione in the body. Obviously phytochemicals also play a huge role in protection.

3.) There's a huge difference between metabolic acidosis and nutritional ketosis... well-planned ketogenic diets don't cause acidosis.

4.) There are many variables to discuss when looking at "ketogenic" diets. It's the same principle when dealing with vegan diets... you can follow vegans who eat cupcakes and marshmallows all day and conclude that vegan diets are unhealthy... or you can look at someone following a well-planned vegan diet and come to a very different conclusion. You can be on a ketogenic diet and be eating things that are devastating to your health... doesn't mean it was caused because you're ketogenic.

The funny thing is you always ignore real science and then just google search, copy and paste the first thing you see that agrees with your beliefs regardless of how foolish and illegitimate it truly is.



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ja ja ja. I love the excuses. You can come up with excuses after excuses but it sounds like denial. Cretae lots of AGEs and Eat lots of AGEs (from high fat food = high AGEs). Acidfy the body. constipation. Drink lots of water to avoid stones. Many many more. Sure sounds healthy. Only desperate schizophrenic people should consider it.

Panchito Wrote:
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> ja ja ja. I love the excuses. You can come up with
> excuses after excuses but it sounds like denial.
> Cretae lots of AGEs and Eat lots of AGEs (from
> high fat food = high AGEs). Acidfy the body.
> constipation. Drink lots of water to avoid stones.
> Many many more. Sure sounds healthy. Only
> desperate schizophrenic people should consider it.


From this point on I will not reply to any of your posts. You are a complete waste of my time, from both an intellect and maturity standpoint. Something is psychologically wrong with you and I hope you get it figured out.

yuppiiieee. That's what truth makes you do. I was hopping TSM would come up with GOOD job, EXCELLENT, etc. But since you look bad he probably shied away. Maybe next time he? Oh, and you got cognitive dissonance.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> 1.) Raw fats are low in AGE's as evidenced by the
> multiple scientific studies I have posted. Real
> studies.. not PDF's from random websites.
>
> 2.) I've just learned that AGE's are thoroughly
> eliminated with high amounts of glutathione in the
> body. Obviously phytochemicals also play a huge
> role in protection.
>
> 3.) There's a huge difference between metabolic
> acidosis and nutritional ketosis... well-planned
> ketogenic diets don't cause acidosis.
>
> 4.) There are many variables to discuss when
> looking at "ketogenic" diets. It's the same
> principle when dealing with vegan diets... you can
> follow vegans who eat cupcakes and marshmallows
> all day and conclude that vegan diets are
> unhealthy... or you can look at someone following
> a well-planned vegan diet and come to a very
> different conclusion. You can be on a ketogenic
> diet and be eating things that are devastating to
> your health... doesn't mean it was caused because
> you're ketogenic.
>
> The funny thing is you always ignore real science
> and then just google search, copy and paste the
> first thing you see that agrees with your beliefs
> regardless of how foolish and illegitimate it
> truly is.


Just keep talking over his head and around him. Some of us are listening. Since you mentioned it I just checked up on my own glutathione intake, out of curiosity, and found I'm getting plenty on the Conductivity Diet. I've been at this long enough to have learned to have no fear of raw vegan fats.

Breaking: Tarah from "40 Below Fruity" has upped her plant fat intake to 10-20% of total calories. Film at 11 :

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Yes, she says she feels better and more satisfied with more fats, she has no more cravings. I really like her. I'm happy she tweaked the diet so that it serves her purpose better.

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.

nice, good for her!