Very interesting and discusses what the mainstream medical research has found.

[www.youtube.com]

Looks like the dubious studies recommending low fat have been highly influenced by lobby groups for the medical and food industry and multiple peer reviewed research papers have even admitted there is a conflict of interest.

Lots of interesting stuff also written on fat v's carbs as feul.

www.thesproutarian.com

Interesting points he raised but does not he look much older than his biological age?

This may give the impression that raw veganism does not work, does not get you any younger.



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Raw veganism is good for preventing disease but another key to longevity (besides genetics) is regularly fasting.

Many raw vegans don't look much different in appearance to ordinary folks, but they can have a very good feeling of well being and functioning if the diet works for them, so the diet is worth it. Some people look incredible on a raw vegan diet, but most look like everyone else.

The raw vegan diet seems to be kinder to the inside than to the outside for many people who can make it work. Gabriel obviously functions well but his DNA has aged him on the outside. John Kohler seems to function well, but he is aged on the outside like most people. Ann Wigmore was a legend and super being of high order, but she aged too. The raw diet may slow the outside aging process a little but most seem to show outside aging like everyone else.

You want to do a raw diet to function well and hopefully the outside shell holds up better. If the outside looks not so swell, so be it.

www.thesproutarian.com

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> The raw vegan diet seems to be kinder to the
> inside than to the outside for many people who can
> make it work. Gabriel obviously functions well but
> his DNA has aged him on the outside.

That's not how it works. Dr. Cousens used to be a fan of more fruit than he is today and there is an excellent reason for that. Glycation does not stop doing it's damage at the skin - it affects the whole body and starts in the mitochondria which are the powerhouses of our cells.

There is an 11 step cycle which the body uses to breaks down carbs. There are different enzymes utilized at each of the 11 steps in this cycle. Midway in the cycle of breaking down glucose is where the problem occurs.

Here is a succinct explanation by a man who is very close to Dr. Cousen's age...

[www.youtube.com]



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> Interesting points he raised but does not he look
> much older than his biological age?
>
> This may give the impression that raw veganism
> does not work, does not get you any younger.


Looks are not always a good impression of how well someone is aging, some people just naturally look younger than others. I'm sure you've heard of the term "baby face" and it's been applied to people following any type of diet. Plus, as SueZ pointed out, I think Gabriel used to eat lots of fruit.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> > Interesting points he raised but does not he
> look
> > much older than his biological age?
> >
> > This may give the impression that raw veganism
> > does not work, does not get you any younger.
>
>
> Looks are not always a good impression of how well
> someone is aging, some people just naturally look
> younger than others. I'm sure you've heard of the
> term "baby face" and it's been applied to people
> following any type of diet. Plus, as SueZ pointed
> out, I think Gabriel used to eat lots of fruit.

You should watch the video...

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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> > RawPracticalist Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > Interesting points he raised but does not he
> > look
> > > much older than his biological age?
> > >
> > > This may give the impression that raw
> veganism
> > > does not work, does not get you any younger.
> >
> >
> > Looks are not always a good impression of how
> well
> > someone is aging, some people just naturally
> look
> > younger than others. I'm sure you've heard of
> the
> > term "baby face" and it's been applied to
> people
> > following any type of diet. Plus, as SueZ
> pointed
> > out, I think Gabriel used to eat lots of fruit.
>
> You should watch the video...


I got a few minutes into it and had to go do something. Will watch the rest shortly. I did get to the point where he said it was glucose that was causing a wide variety of diseases and not fat, though. How it causes cross-linking and so on.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> > jtprindl Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > RawPracticalist Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Interesting points he raised but does not
> he
> > > look
> > > > much older than his biological age?
> > > >
> > > > This may give the impression that raw
> > veganism
> > > > does not work, does not get you any
> younger.
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks are not always a good impression of how
> > well
> > > someone is aging, some people just naturally
> > look
> > > younger than others. I'm sure you've heard of
> > the
> > > term "baby face" and it's been applied to
> > people
> > > following any type of diet. Plus, as SueZ
> > pointed
> > > out, I think Gabriel used to eat lots of
> fruit.
> >
> > You should watch the video...
>
>
> I got a few minutes into it and had to go do
> something. Will watch the rest shortly. I did get
> to the point where he said it was glucose that was
> causing a wide variety of diseases and not fat,
> though. How it causes cross-linking and so on.

Good. You need to see about Methyl Gluoxal's role in glycation.

he looks bad to me. If you throw at him a medicine ball, he won't react and the ball will hit him. Thats how slow he looks. He looks as if he had been smmoking pot for a while or something. He RELLYS on TALK. His all health is based on brainwash. Without the brainwash, any kid could tell he does not look good.

He eats lots of fat. In a way, fat makes the brain feel good which creates the self made illusion of health. Thus, his health is based on fiction. Without listening to the story he has created inside him, you see the reality not the fiction.



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> he looks bad to me. If you throw at him a medicine
> ball, he won't react and the ball will hit him.
> Thats how slow he looks. He looks as if he had
> been smmoking pot for a while or something. He
> RELLYS on TALK. His all health is based on
> brainwash. Without the brainwash, any kid could
> tell he does not look good.
>
> He eats lots of fat. In a way, fat makes the brain
> feel good which creates the self made illusion of
> health. Thus, his health is based on fiction.
> Without listening to the story he has created
> inside him, you see the reality not the fiction.


Comments like these are why nobody should ever take you seriously. You're a funny guy, Panchito... funny guy.

you are the one denying truth. Your comments are always directed to discredit my comments. But one day you'll brainwash master DR Brian Clements where he got his degree and medical licenses then you will thanks me.

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> you are the one denying truth. Your comments are
> always directed to discredit my comments. But one
> day you'll brainwash master DR Brian Clements
> where he got his degree and medical licenses then
> you will thanks me.


You're such an angry and defensive individual. Calm down, man, it's just a forum

you write as if looking in the mirror. It shows

<<<Here is a succinct explanation by a man who is very close to Dr. Cousen's age...>>>

He has a FAT face so you can't see his wrinkles.

Why do people get Botox and inject FAT from their butt to their face?

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>
> He has a FAT face so you can't see his wrinkles.
>
> Why do people get Botox and inject FAT from their
> butt to their face?


He's very muscular and yang looking. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. Not everyone prefers to look wrinkled up, emaciated, and have their eyes sinking back into their head...

[www.youtube.com]

Not only he has a fat face but he lies by hidding a very important fact. Dietary fat is loaded with AGEs (Advanced Glycation Endproducts). All fat is loaded. So someone says to avoid carbs to avoid AGEs and avoid aging by eating fat is misleading uninformed people by creating a junk theory. He even wrote a book about glycation but he omited that fats are loaded with AGEs. WOW. Talk about American oportunistic writers writing junk theories. Thank goodness for the internet. To learn the bad effects of high fat diets look for example here:

[plantpositive.com]

Ask me if you want to see studies of AGEs and FAT



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<<<He's very muscular and yang looking.>>>

Yes, he has FAT Puffy Muscles and a FAT Puffy Face and he probably looks just like you - FAT & Puffy. Do you really think you gained muscle in your butt when you started eating all of that FAT?

By the way, I don't think that anyone has a right to criticize how other people look unless they show everyone else what they look like.

So where's your picture?

Are you even a woman?

Are you even human?

"Dietary fat is loaded with AGEs (Advanced Glycation Endproducts)."

Nope... cooked fats are, but not raw fats.

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "Foods that are either raw or cooked at low temperatures are relatively low in AGE's, and such foods include raw fruits and vegetables, raw fish, RAW NUTS, yoghurt, tofu, pasta, boiled rice, boiled potatoes and other boiled or simmered foods".


[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "Nut roasting and sesame heat treatment increased the primary (hydroperoxides) and secondary (aldehydic compounds) lipid oxidation products, with the p-anisidine value reaching 6-11.5 and thiobarbituric acid reactive substances 3-5 mg/kg (equiv of malondialdehyde) in the different end products. In addition, roasting led to the formation of CML (between 12.7 and 17.7 ng/mg) and tFAs (between 0.6 and 0.9 g/100 g) in nuts and tahina, which were ABSENT IN THE RAW MATERIAL. Roasting parameters appear as the critical factor to control to limit the CML and tFA formation in the final product."



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These health food gurus wrote books, charge expensive fees for their retreat,
they go on news to promote their diet and life style
so we have the right to ask what the final end product is.

They should be a living proof of what they teach.

To me if you are really healthy it should show on your face and body.

Pounds and pounds of sprouts, juices, greens have no effect on the wrinkles ???

Cousens is teaching not just nutrition but spiritual nutrition
That should heal mind and body



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THE SYUDY ABOUT AGES IN FOOD

[marshfieldceliac.weebly.com]

(numbers = AGE kU/100 g)

Raw Oil, olive 11,900
Raw Oil, sesame (Asian Gourmet) 21,680

compare it with:

Apple, Macintosh 13
Banana 9
Cantaloupe 20
Dates, Sun-Maid California 60
Carrots, canned 10

SueZ Wrote:
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> John Rose Wrote:
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> > <<>>
> >
> > He has a FAT face so you can't see his
> wrinkles.
> >
> > Why do people get Botox and inject FAT from
> their
> > butt to their face?
>
>
> He's very muscular and yang looking. Nothing wrong
> with that, IMO. Not everyone prefers to look
> wrinkled up, emaciated, and have their eyes
> sinking back into their head...
>
> [www.youtube.com]

You don't know the first thing about him if you think he is fat.

He looks younger than you when he was 10 years older than you and you know it.

There's nothing wrong with strong masculine looking men, IMO. I know that's not too popular a countenance with raw vegans for some reason but to each their own.

<<<You don't know the first thing about him if you think he is fat.>>>

I have a trained eye and I can recognize Subcutaneous Fat when I see it!!!

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> <<>>
>
> I have a trained eye and I can recognize
> Subcutaneous Fat when I see it!!!


And I have a trained eye for your brand of bullshit.

Great video John Rose

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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>
> > The raw vegan diet seems to be kinder to the
> > inside than to the outside for many people who
> can
> > make it work. Gabriel obviously functions well
> but
> > his DNA has aged him on the outside.
>
> That's not how it works. Dr. Cousens used to be a
> fan of more fruit than he is today and there is an
> excellent reason for that. Glycation does not
> stop doing it's damage at the skin - it affects
> the whole body and starts in the mitochondria
> which are the powerhouses of our cells.
>
> There is an 11 step cycle which the body uses to
> breaks down carbs. There are different enzymes
> utilized at each of the 11 steps in this cycle.
> Midway in the cycle of breaking down glucose is
> where the problem occurs.
>
> Here is a succinct explanation by a man who is
> very close to Dr. Cousen's age...
>
> [www.youtube.com]


EXCELLENT video Suez, and l definitely need to do lots of study in this area and will in comming months. Will need to buy his book as a starting point as and then hit the peer reviewed journals hard. Actually,l have a bunch of peer reviewed studies saved up and are going to start some serious reading from this morning. This is a very interesting topic.



jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Dietary fat is loaded with AGEs (Advanced
> Glycation Endproducts)."
>
> Nope... cooked fats are, but not raw fats.
>
> [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
> 2/ - "Foods that are either raw or cooked at low
> temperatures are relatively low in AGE's, and such
> foods include raw fruits and vegetables, raw fish,
> RAW NUTS, yoghurt, tofu, pasta, boiled rice,
> boiled potatoes and other boiled or simmered
> foods".
>
>
> [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "Nut
> roasting and sesame heat treatment increased the
> primary (hydroperoxides) and secondary (aldehydic
> compounds) lipid oxidation products, with the
> p-anisidine value reaching 6-11.5 and
> thiobarbituric acid reactive substances 3-5 mg/kg
> (equiv of malondialdehyde) in the different end
> products. In addition, roasting led to the
> formation of CML (between 12.7 and 17.7 ng/mg) and
> tFAs (between 0.6 and 0.9 g/100 g) in nuts and
> tahina, which were ABSENT IN THE RAW MATERIAL.
> Roasting parameters appear as the critical factor
> to control to limit the CML and tFA formation in
> the final product."

EXCELLENT find jtprindl, you have been coming up with some good stuff lately...really been booting some big goals.

EXCELLENT observation. You have been coming out with really good observations. Definitely, we need more people like you here. THANKS.

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>
> He has a FAT face so you can't see his wrinkles.
>
> Why do people get Botox and inject FAT from their
> butt to their face?

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> EXCELLENT observation. You have been coming out
> with really good observations. Definitely, we need
> more people like you here. THANKS.
>
> John Rose Wrote:
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> > <<>>
> >
> > He has a FAT face so you can't see his
> wrinkles.
> >
> > Why do people get Botox and inject FAT from
> their
> > butt to their face?

That's one twisted and simply parroted view. Can't you see with your own eyes? Have you never seen a muscular big man before or something? I have a brother that is built like that. He could probably lift a piano with one hand. Strong as an ox and though he has to have clothes custom made to fit him he is not at all fat.

While I've yet to read as much as most of you here and cannot join the argument on nutrition, I will say that it startles me if Dr. Cousens is considered to be "FAT".

have you ever heard the term "skinny fat"? It reflects a low lean body mass (high fat low muscle) yet looks skinny.