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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 23, 2014 02:25PM

"You could hardly find a single case of people seating at dinner table and eating oils."

You never answered my questions.


"Oil is not a food."

Oh okay, if you say so.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 23, 2014 03:00PM

SueZ Wrote:
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> [www.amazon.com]
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
> 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex

I think I'll take a look. Sprouts are also notorius for mycotoxins (fungal poison), the most dangerous being aflatoxin (lethal). Another related disease is lathyrism (also affects the mind). It is hard to tell if the sprouts or maybe parasites are the cause of a dilusional mind. Nobody talks about the possible fungal/parasite ingestion on a sprout diet (tabu) to make the diet look stronger.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: CommonSenseRaw ()
Date: October 23, 2014 03:17PM

But the outcome of using sprouts is not difficult to find, people who are eating sprouts are healthier, look younger. Check with the sproutman steve meyerowitz.

The sprouts and indoor greens are full of life, which when eaten bring life into our body.

Now let's compare that with eating avocado plus olive oils, two heavy fats.

You are trying to convince that your getting CONDUCTIVITY by eating heavy fats, difficult to prove.

The cleansing diet should be the one that conducts life and energy, not the heavy fat eating diet.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 23, 2014 03:29PM

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> But the outcome of using sprouts is not difficult
> to find, people who are eating sprouts are
> healthier, look younger. Check with the sproutman
> steve meyerowitz.

when you look at sanitary conditions and possible fungal ingestion, sprouts are at the highest risk (spider like roots, soil, water, insect eggs, etc). If you make that an everyday eevent, the chances multiply. Sure, clean sprouts are healthy if you only look at the highlingted content (if you only look at what you want to see) but it comes with associated risks long term, fungal infestation being the worst (worse than parasites) since it is invisible to the eye or the tongue.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: CommonSenseRaw ()
Date: October 23, 2014 03:38PM

I am not buying sprouts, I am sprout grower, I control my environment, I choose my seeds, my watering system. I check my sprouts before eating them.

You could not find any solid argument against sprouts, so you are making one up.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 23, 2014 03:49PM

[cmr.asm.org]

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Toxicologists tend to concentrate their efforts on hazardous chemicals such as polyaromatic hydrocarbons, heavy metals, and organic pesticides. Because they have devoted less effort to natural products, agriculturalists, chemists, microbiologists, and veterinarians who are often unfamiliar with the basic principles of toxicology have conducted most of the mycotoxin research. There has been a lot of reinventing of the wheel and sometimes an imprecise use of toxicology jargon.

For example, mycotoxicoses, like all toxicological syndromes, can be categorized as acute or chronic. Acute toxicity generally has a rapid onset and an obvious toxic response, while chronic toxicity is characterized by low-dose exposure over a long time period, resulting in cancers and other generally irreversible effects (128). Accepting that it is often difficult to distinguish between acute and chronic effects, many papers on mycotoxicoses blur this basic dichotomy entirely, and it is not always easy to interpret the published data on purported health effects. Almost certainly, the main human and veterinary health burden of mycotoxin exposure is related to chronic exposure (e.g., cancer induction, kidney toxicity, immune suppression). However, the best-known mycotoxin episodes are manifestations of acute effects (e.g., turkey X syndrome, human ergotism, stachybotryotoxicosis).

In order to demonstrate that a disease is a mycotoxicosis, it is necessary to show a dose-response relationship between the mycotoxin and the disease. For human populations, this correlation requires epidemiological studies. Supportive evidence is provided when the characteristic symptoms of a suspected human mycotoxicosis are evoked reproducibly in animal models by exposure to the mycotoxin in question (121). Human exposure to mycotoxins is further determined by environmental or biological monitoring. In environmental monitoring, mycotoxins are measured in food, air, or other samples; in biological monitoring, the presence of residues, adducts, and metabolites is assayed directly in tissues, fluids, and excreta (121).

In general, mycotoxin exposure is more likely to occur in parts of the world where poor methods of food handling and storage are common, where malnutrition is a problem, and where few regulations exist to protect exposed populations. However, even in developed countries, specific subgroups may be vulnerable to mycotoxin exposure. In the United States, for example, Hispanic populations consume more corn products than the rest of the population, and inner city populations are more likely to live in buildings that harbor high levels of molds (5)

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Ergotism is the effect of long term ergot poisoning, traditionally due to the ingestion of the alkaloids produced by the Claviceps purpurea fungus.

Convulsive symptoms include painful seizures and spasms, diarrhea, paresthesias, itching, mental effects including mania or psychosis, headaches, nausea and vomiting. Usually the gastrointestinal effects precede central nervous system effects.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2014 03:54PM by Panchito.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 23, 2014 04:03PM

Just had a lovely freshly harvested green juice of sunflower greens, broccoli sprouts and wheatgrass smiling smiley

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: coconutcream ()
Date: October 24, 2014 12:22AM

God I love sprouts. If you use grapefruit seed extract a few drops in the water it helps with the fungus or mold or "bad things." lol








Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2014 12:24AM by coconutcream.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: CommonSenseRaw ()
Date: October 24, 2014 12:43AM

Panchito Wrote:
> when you look at sanitary conditions and possible
> fungal ingestion, sprouts are at the highest risk
> (spider like roots, soil, water, insect eggs,
> etc). If you make that an everyday eevent, the
> chances multiply. Sure, clean sprouts are healthy
> if you only look at the highlingted content (if
> you only look at what you want to see) but it
> comes with associated risks long term, fungal
> infestation being the worst (worse than parasites)
> since it is invisible to the eye or the tongue.


Interesting. I like this forum.
I love my sprouts, and I think they love me in return.
In the morning I water them with a smile.
When I get home from work,
we meet and talk and exchange feelings of love.
They are not dirty, they are eager to grow
into tiny green to give me their life.
In return I give them love and care.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 24, 2014 01:53AM

it is well known now that there is a relation between the brain and the gut flora. gut flora is derived from food type. search for mind altering microorganisms, the gut brain axis, gut brain inflammation, the vagus nerve, brain gut microbe communication, and much much more. Sprouts alter the mind by feeding the gut with grains, fermentation-fermented food, beans, fungus, etc. Thats what they use to make beer and wine.





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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 24, 2014 02:05AM

Lol, Panchito please save us!

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 24, 2014 02:17AM

looks like the gut/flora/fermentation/etc is making the sprouters want to save the world by manifesting their visions on the forum. Now I understand. It was the food high all the time winking smiley







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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 24, 2014 02:59AM

Damn straight, you solved the mystery.

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Re: pomegranate season
Date: October 24, 2014 08:57PM

SueZ Wrote:
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> Reading this book has opened a lot of eyes. It's
> amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone
> interested in learning more about parasites...
>
> [www.amazon.com]
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
> 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex

What is the book called, it is not coming up in the link. I will put it on my order list.

Panchito's ideas are really cute, they make me smile. smiling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2014 08:59PM by The Sproutarian Man.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: October 24, 2014 09:27PM

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Reading this book has opened a lot of eyes.
> It's
> > amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone
> > interested in learning more about parasites...
> >
> >
> [www.amazon.com]
>
> >
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
>
> > 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex
>
> What is the book called, it is not coming up in
> the link. I will put it on my order list.
>
> Panchito's ideas are really cute, they make me
> smile. smiling smiley

For some reason or other the links at this site only come up right in the original posting. Here it is again...

[www.amazon.com]

Check out the first couple of positive reviews. They give a good idea of what you'll be getting.

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Re: pomegranate season
Date: October 24, 2014 11:04PM

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Reading this book has opened a lot of eyes.
> > It's
> > > amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone
> > > interested in learning more about
> parasites...
> > >
> > >
> >
> [www.amazon.com]
>
> >
> > >
> >
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
>
> >
> > > 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex
> >
> > What is the book called, it is not coming up in
> > the link. I will put it on my order list.
> >
> > Panchito's ideas are really cute, they make me
> > smile. smiling smiley
>
> For some reason or other the links at this site
> only come up right in the original posting. Here
> it is again...
>
> [www.amazon.com]
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
> 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex
>
> Check out the first couple of positive reviews.
> They give a good idea of what you'll be getting.

Thanks for the link.

Yes, l read the reviews. Pthh.

Bacteria from ferments build up the good bacteria in the body, that is why health improves. The science clearly states this. Lots of good bacteria will overpower the bad bacteria and keep the body in good shape.

We want to feed tha good bacterias by ferments to keep us in good shape. I don't see why Tavis sees them in such a poor light??? Raw fruits and vegetables do the same thing = feed bacterias, but to a lesser degree. What is Tavis talking about???...seems silly.

We want to breed heaps of parasites in our body, but only the good ones that help us.

www.thesproutarian.com



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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: October 24, 2014 11:21PM

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SueZ Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Reading this book has opened a lot of eyes.
> > > It's
> > > > amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone
> > > > interested in learning more about
> > parasites...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> [www.amazon.com]
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
>
> >
> > >
> > > > 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex
> > >
> > > What is the book called, it is not coming up
> in
> > > the link. I will put it on my order list.
> > >
> > > Panchito's ideas are really cute, they make
> me
> > > smile. smiling smiley
> >
> > For some reason or other the links at this site
> > only come up right in the original posting.
> Here
> > it is again...
> >
> >
> [www.amazon.com]
>
> >
> us-Creatures/dp/074320011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
>
> > 1414073292&sr=8-1&keywords=parasite+rex
> >
> > Check out the first couple of positive reviews.
>
> > They give a good idea of what you'll be
> getting.
>
> Thanks for the link.
>
> Yes, l read the reviews. Pthh.
>
> Bacteria from ferments build up the good bacteria
> in the body, that is why health improves. The
> science clearly states this. Lots of good bacteria
> will overpower the bad bacteria and keep the body
> in good shape.
>
> We want to feed tha good bacterias by ferments to
> keep us in good shape. I don't see why Tavis sees
> them in such a poor light??? Raw fruits and
> vegetables do the same thing = feed bacterias, but
> to a lesser degree. What is Tavis talking
> about???...seems silly.
>
> We want to breed heaps of parasites in our body,
> but only the good ones that help us.

Huh? What are you talking about? The book is about parasites not bacteria.



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Re: pomegranate season
Date: October 24, 2014 11:31PM

The last paragraph was meant to say bacteria, not parasites.

I am still perplexed as to why Tavis sees ferments as a bad thing. And why would anyone want to clean themselves out from the ferments?

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: October 24, 2014 11:57PM

> > Yes, l read the reviews. Pthh.

What? Why?

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Re: pomegranate season
Date: October 25, 2014 12:19AM

SueZ Wrote:
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> > > Yes, l read the reviews. Pthh.
>
> What? Why?

It comes across as another book spouting lots of theories. The author seems like he puts two and two togeather to make assumptions like so many authors who pose as experts do. This is why l grit my teeth when l read books and have my guard up. None-the-less, l will read and book, BUT l will be onto him if he tries putting theories as facts.



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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 25, 2014 12:23AM

[en.wikipedia.org]

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Fermented food and many alcoholic beverages can also contain significant amounts of acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde, derived from mucosal or microbial oxidation of ethanol, tobacco smoke, and diet, appears to act as a cumulative carcinogen in the upper digestive tract of humans.[48]

[en.wikipedia.org]

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Dangers

Toxicity

Acetaldehyde is toxic when applied externally for prolonged periods, an irritant, and a probable carcinogen.[29] It is an air pollutant resulting from combustion, such as automotive exhaust and tobacco smoke. It is also created by thermal degradation of polymers in the plastics processing industry.[30] Acetaldehyde naturally breaks down in the human body[31] but has been shown to excrete in urine of rats.[32]

Irritation

Acetaldehyde is an irritant of the skin, eyes, mucous membranes, throat, and respiratory tract. This occurs at concentrations up to 1000 ppm. Symptoms of exposure to this compound include nausea, vomiting, headache. These symptoms may not happen immediately. The perception limit of acetaldehyde in air is in the range between 0.07 and 0.25 ppm.[10] At such concentrations, the fruity odor of acetaldehyde is apparent. Conjunctival irritations have been observed after a 15-minute exposure to concentrations of 25 and 50 ppm, but transient conjunctivitis and irritation of the respiratory tract have been reported after exposure to 200 ppm acetaldehyde for 15 minutes. It has a general narcotic action and large doses can even cause death by respiratory paralysis. It may also cause drowsiness, delirium, hallucinations, and loss of intelligence. Exposure may also cause severe damage to the mouth, throat, and stomach; accumulation of fluid in the lungs, chronic respiratory disease, kidney and liver damage, throat irritation, dizziness, reddening, and swelling of the skin.

Carcinogenicity

Acetaldehyde is a probable or possible carcinogen in humans.[29][33] In 1988 the International Agency for Research on Cancer stated, "There is sufficient evidence for the carcinogenicity of acetaldehyde (the major metabolite of ethanol) in experimental animals."[34] In October 2009 the International Agency for Research on Cancer updated the classification of acetaldehyde stating that acetaldehyde included in and generated endogenously from alcoholic beverages is a Group I human carcinogen.[35] In addition, acetaldehyde is damaging to DNA[36] and causes abnormal muscle development as it binds to proteins.[37]


[en.wikipedia.org]

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The World Health Organization has classified pickled foods as a possible carcinogen, based on epidemiological studies.[14] Other research found that fermented food contains a carcinogenic by-product, ethyl carbamate (urethane).[15][16] "A 2009 review of the existing studies conducted across Asia concluded that regularly eating pickled vegetables roughly doubles a person's risk for esophageal squamous cell carcinoma."[17]



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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 25, 2014 12:33AM

This just gets better and better.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 25, 2014 12:35AM

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> The last paragraph was meant to say bacteria, not
> parasites.
>
> I am still perplexed as to why Tavis sees ferments
> as a bad thing. And why would anyone want to clean
> themselves out from the ferments?


Sprouts and fermented foods vs fats and oils which one anyone want to clean themselves of

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: October 25, 2014 12:44AM

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > > Yes, l read the reviews. Pthh.
> >
> > What? Why?
>
> It comes across as another book spouting lots of
> theories. The author seems like he puts two and
> two togeather to make assumptions like so many
> authors who pose as experts do. This is why l grit
> my teeth when l read books and have my guard up.
> None-the-less, l will read and book, BUT l will be
> onto him if he tries putting theories as facts.

Huh? Now you seem to be confusing some apparently misunderstood reviews of a book with a book on top of confusing bacteria with parasites and all of that mixed in with a rebuttal to Tavis who isn't even here and all of that seemingly addressed at me. Well, I can't help you there. Just to say now you can read the book as the link works and you can take up your complaint about Tavis with Tavis.

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Re: pomegranate season
Date: October 25, 2014 02:31AM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> This just gets better and better.


Me think Panchito is trying to give us an old fashioned scare. winking smiley Don' worry Panchito, l have seen all that stuff before. I have read much about sprout toxins and aldehydes etc...not fussed because l know how to tame a savage beast within the foods.


Ruffling feathers

* Mentioning fruit having lots of sugar and fructose is always a hot button for fruitarian types. It always gets them out in force gnashing their teeth.

* Fruitarian types like to try and scare sproutarians by mentioning toxins etc.

* Fruitarian types also like to bring up the heart disease card with high fat vegan diets also.


I find it all so funny....l really do, we ive friendly digs at each other's diet. l laughed my head off the other day so hard that it hurt, Panchito painted such a dim picture the other day with high fat diets and AGE's...remember that? I laughed and laughed half the day. This is all light hearted games to me...to make light hearted digs. BUT...the possible mental issues brought about by high levels of fruit consumption is a serious concern that l am very serious about, so is the problems potentially with low fat, but l might still want to have some fun with the fruitarians and say fruit is too high in sugar and too much sugar is not good. winking smiley

www.thesproutarian.com

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 25, 2014 02:43AM

"Me think Panchito is trying to give us an old fashioned scare."

I think it's a variety of things that I don't even feel are necessary to mention but it's definitely gotten to the point of comedy.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: October 25, 2014 03:31AM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Me think Panchito is trying to give us an old
> fashioned scare."
>
> I think it's a variety of things that I don't even
> feel are necessary to mention but it's definitely
> gotten to the point of comedy.

Yeah it's funny but that doesn't take away from the fact that parasites can override entity's own tastes and steer them to eat what parasites want them to eat. There is no evidence that humans are immune from this and the idea of it really does deserve serious consideration and study.

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Re: pomegranate season
Date: October 25, 2014 04:15AM

SueZ Wrote:
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> doesn't take away from
> the fact that parasites can override entity's own
> tastes and steer them to eat what parasites want
> them to eat.


I wonder if that is really true. If it is true lwould be shocked to the core of my being. I shall order the book shortly.

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Re: pomegranate season
Posted by: SueZ ()
Date: November 12, 2014 11:57AM

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> > I enjoy Tavis' energy and calmness and liked
> his
> > message at the end of that video. Plus the dish
> > looked delicious.
>
> Tavis seems to me to be a very good man. He's
> especially advanced, IMO.
>
> I just had the dish, in soup form, and will have
> it again tomorrow. There really seems to be magic
> in the combination. Today I had some black walnuts
> with it on the side. I liked that with it, too. I
> wouldn't worry one bit about food combining theory
> with all the antioxidants and natural
> preservatives in this medicinal dish - not that I
> buy into that theory anyway.


I have been having this every day and it is by far the most cleansing food I've had. This could be partly because all the seeds and peppers are bashed to dust in the VitaMix because I have it in a very easily digestible soup form. I don't know, but the two times I had it twice in one day it completely clobbered me so bad I had trouble even walking to the mailbox. It's also the first thing ever that has been able to restore my old stained VitaMix carafe back to it's original color.

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Re: pomegranate season
Date: November 12, 2014 12:05PM

Pomegranate is possibly the highest anti oxidant phytochemical fruit and seems to be the king of fruits. Amounst 35 different fruits tested it came up as the top fruit in terms of nutrition. I might post some pomegranate studies another day if l have time.

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