SueZ Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > "Yes, 13 tablespoons of chia is more like 200
> > > grams."
> > >
> > > Have you measured it out in the past?
> >
> > ...
>
> OK, I can see neither of you guys are able to
> understand the value of actually weighing food
> stuffs to get to the truth of nutrition as opposed
> to sloppily relying on the slipshod method of
> assuming measuring in such things as tablespoons
> full of seeds is easily and accurately translated
> to grams when that is just not true.
>
> Jtprindl. thesproutman's measurments, past or
> present, will never give you an accurate weight
> for your tablespoons full of chia seeds and you
> don't even care why that is so and have decided
> to continue to use erroneous gram weights with
> unearned authority despite knowing you are
> confused. This is even worse than guessing as at
> least when you say you are guessing people realize
> you don't know when you don't know.

Suez, you have bitten off more than you can chew and you are talking raw food 101. I can sink you really good on this statement and completely pull the rug from under you, do you want me to?

"truth of nutrition" = LOL.

btw, l have weighed my foods, but my scales are quite crummy. I shall buy better ones.

www.thesproutarian.com

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SueZ Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > SueZ Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > jtprindl Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > "Yes, 13 tablespoons of chia is more
> like
> > > 200
> > > > > > grams."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you measured it out in the past?
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > OK, I can see neither of you guys are able
> to
> > > > understand the value of actually weighing
> > food
> > > > stuffs to get to the truth of nutrition as
> > > opposed
> > > > to sloppily relying on the slipshod method
> of
> > > > assuming measuring in such things as
> > > tablespoons
> > > > full of seeds is easily and accurately
> > > translated
> > > > to grams when that is just not true.
> > > >
> > > > Jtprindl. thesproutman's measurments, past
> or
> > > > present, will never give you an accurate
> > weight
> > > > for your tablespoons full of chia seeds and
> > you
> > > > don't even care why that is so and have
> > > decided
> > > > to continue to use erroneous gram weights
> > with
> > > > unearned authority despite knowing you are
> > > > confused. This is even worse than guessing
> as
> > > at
> > > > least when you say you are guessing people
> > > realize
> > > > you don't know when you don't know.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep, that's it.
> >
> >
> > You are very smug in your ignorance.
>
>
> Got me there.

I am not trying to "get you there" I am trying to get you to THINK, young man, but you seem impervious to reason with these story problems and have run off the tracks into a ditch. You know, and have stated, that you are confused but seem to have decided to pretend you know and bluff your way through. That's what losers do. Do you want to be an uncorrectable loser or do you want me to show you where your error with this story problem lies?

If 1 tablespoon of chia seeds weighed out to 10 grams (just an example) for TSM, why would it be any different when I weigh 1 tablespoon of chia seeds other than a faulty scale? I'm not worried about being a few grams off. If I intend to eat 100 grams of chia and end up eating 97 or 105, it's not a big deal.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > jtprindl Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > "Yes, 13 tablespoons of chia is more like
> 200
> > > > grams."
> > > >
> > > > Have you measured it out in the past?
> > >
> > > ...
> >
> > OK, I can see neither of you guys are able to
> > understand the value of actually weighing food
> > stuffs to get to the truth of nutrition as
> opposed
> > to sloppily relying on the slipshod method of
> > assuming measuring in such things as
> tablespoons
> > full of seeds is easily and accurately
> translated
> > to grams when that is just not true.
> >
> > Jtprindl. thesproutman's measurments, past or
> > present, will never give you an accurate weight
> > for your tablespoons full of chia seeds and you
> > don't even care why that is so and have
> decided
> > to continue to use erroneous gram weights with
> > unearned authority despite knowing you are
> > confused. This is even worse than guessing as
> at
> > least when you say you are guessing people
> realize
> > you don't know when you don't know.
>
> Suez, you have bitten off more than you can chew
> and you are talking raw food 101. I can sink you
> really good on this statement and completely pull
> the rug from under you, do you want me to?
>
> "truth of nutrition" = LOL.



Try not to be that stupid, TSM.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2014 02:55AM by SueZ.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> If 1 tablespoon of chia seeds weighed out to 10
> grams (just an example) for TSM, why would it be
> any different when I weigh 1 tablespoon of chia
> seeds other than a faulty scale?


Ah HA, I am pleased! You have asked the right question!!

The answer is there are differences in Australian volume measurements. They don't jibe with the way the most of the rest of the world's measures volumes.
Tsm's teaspoons and tablespoons are different than ours!


Teaspoon is 1/3 of a tablespoon in imperial, US customary and metric measurement systems except Australia. To find out how many tablespoons in teaspoons, multiply by the factor or simply use the converter below.

1 Teaspoon = 0.33333333 (1/3) Tablespoon [US, UK or Metric]
1 Teaspoon = 0.25 (1/4) Tablespoon [Australia]
Teaspoon is a volume unit mostly used in cooking recipes, prescriptions. There are different types of teaspoons used as measurement unit and they are different in sizes. 1 US tsp is about 5 milliliters and 1/6 of fluid ounces. The abbreviations are "tsp", "ts".

Tablespoon is a commonly used volume unit in cooking, recipes. Based on the countries, there are different types of tablespoons used as measurement unit and they are different in sizes. 1 US tbsp is about 15 milliliters and 0.5 fluid ounces, whereas in australia, 1 tablespoons is about 20 ml. The abbreviations are "tbsp", "tbs", "tb".


[www.asknumbers.com]

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If 1 tablespoon of chia seeds weighed out to 10
> > grams (just an example) for TSM, why would it
> be
> > any different when I weigh 1 tablespoon of chia
> > seeds other than a faulty scale?
>
>
> Ah HA, I am pleased! You have asked the right
> question!!
>
> The answer is there are differences in Australian
> volume measurements. They don't jibe with the way
> the most of the rest of the world's measures
> volumes.
> Tsm's teaspoons and tablespoons are different than
> ours!
>
>
> Teaspoon is 1/3 of a tablespoon in imperial, US
> customary and metric measurement systems except
> Australia. To find out how many tablespoons in
> teaspoons, multiply by the factor or simply use
> the converter below.
>
> 1 Teaspoon = 0.33333333 (1/3) Tablespoon
> 1 Teaspoon = 0.25 (1/4) Tablespoon
> Teaspoon is a volume unit mostly used in cooking
> recipes, prescriptions. There are different types
> of teaspoons used as measurement unit and they are
> different in sizes. 1 US tsp is about 5
> milliliters and 1/6 of fluid ounces. The
> abbreviations are "tsp", "ts".
>
> Tablespoon is a commonly used volume unit in
> cooking, recipes. Based on the countries, there
> are different types of tablespoons used as
> measurement unit and they are different in sizes.
> 1 US tbsp is about 15 milliliters and 0.5 fluid
> ounces, whereas in australia, 1 tablespoons is
> about 20 ml. The abbreviations are "tbsp", "tbs",
> "tb".
>
>
> [www.asknumbers.com]
> x


Lol fair enough, but there's only a difference because of the different volume measurements. If someone else in America accurately measured out 100 grams of chia using X amount of tablespoons, it would also be X amount of tablespoons when I weighed it.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SueZ Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > jtprindl Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > "Yes, 13 tablespoons of chia is more like
> > 200
> > > > > grams."
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you measured it out in the past?
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > >
> > > OK, I can see neither of you guys are able to
> > > understand the value of actually weighing
> food
> > > stuffs to get to the truth of nutrition as
> > opposed
> > > to sloppily relying on the slipshod method of
> > > assuming measuring in such things as
> > tablespoons
> > > full of seeds is easily and accurately
> > translated
> > > to grams when that is just not true.
> > >
> > > Jtprindl. thesproutman's measurments, past or
> > > present, will never give you an accurate
> weight
> > > for your tablespoons full of chia seeds and
> you
> > > don't even care why that is so and have
> > decided
> > > to continue to use erroneous gram weights
> with
> > > unearned authority despite knowing you are
> > > confused. This is even worse than guessing as
> > at
> > > least when you say you are guessing people
> > realize
> > > you don't know when you don't know.
> >
> > Suez, you have bitten off more than you can
> chew
> > and you are talking raw food 101. I can sink
> you
> > really good on this statement and completely
> pull
> > the rug from under you, do you want me to?
> >
> > "truth of nutrition" = LOL.
>
>
>
> Try not to be that stupid, TSM.


Suez, that was not the response l was looking for. Here is just a quick hint why the above post made by yourself was nonsense 101 talk.

"truth of nutrition"...does that mean a measured amount of seed is going to give a person a way to measure accurate nutrition values in the food? Of course not. I am sure you would be well aware that nutritional values printed in of food charts/cronometer etc are far from accurate because the nutrients in plants varies according to the soil, climate etc. You are probably well aware that a person's metabolism greatly effects the nutrient balances in the blood also. So weighing food to get the "truth of nutrition" is nonsense talk and raw food 101 thinking. Now...in terms of calories and gross levels of protein/carbs/fat you would have a good point, but in terms of measuring things to find out the levels of vitamins and minerals in food is monkey chatter.

Suez...we are all guessing when eating for nutrition, that's why diet is an artform.

The points made is not so stupid, no?

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2014 03:47AM by The Sproutarian Man.

TSM, sorry. You totally missed the point I was making in my posting to jtprindl. It included a conversation from another thread so your totally missing the mark with your jump in misunderstanding BS is understandable I guess. Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe you won't.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2014 05:16AM by SueZ.

SueZ Wrote:
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> TSM, sorry. You totally missed the point I was
> making in my posting to jtprindl. It included a
> conversation from another thread so your totally
> missing the mark with your jump in
> misunderstanding BS is understandable I guess.
> Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe you won't.


Suez,

l feel sure l did understand the point you were making, that is, measuring seeds inaccurately can have a drastically different result when calculating food nutrient contents, is that right?

If l am correct on understanding your post to jtprindl, my original statement still does apply despite me going slightly off topic with my argument. Why? Because the measurement argument you make still applies to the theories of rda's and what nutrients are supposedly in food, where-as my argument expanded [upon that thinking] to try and include more real world situations in terms of nutrient variances in food and human metabolism. Hope that makes sense and explains why l varied slightly off course, and l hope this settles it once and for all.

If we are failing to communicate effectively and misunderstanding each other still, so be it, it's not a big deal at the moment. You know what you are talking about, and l know the points l am making, but sometimes a miscommunication can occur...never mind. Sometimes this miscommunication issue arises between us both when l don't spend the extra time to write better, and sometimes l like to expand on subjects and take it in a different direction so various posts l make may not seem relevant until l explain why l wrote certain things.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2014 05:51AM by The Sproutarian Man.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If 1 tablespoon of chia seeds weighed out to
> 10
> > > grams (just an example) for TSM, why would it
> > be
> > > any different when I weigh 1 tablespoon of
> chia
> > > seeds other than a faulty scale?
> >
> >
> > Ah HA, I am pleased! You have asked the right
> > question!!
> >
> > The answer is there are differences in
> Australian
> > volume measurements. They don't jibe with the
> way
> > the most of the rest of the world's measures
> > volumes.
> > Tsm's teaspoons and tablespoons are different
> than
> > ours!
> >
> >
> > Teaspoon is 1/3 of a tablespoon in imperial, US
> > customary and metric measurement systems except
> > Australia. To find out how many tablespoons in
> > teaspoons, multiply by the factor or simply use
> > the converter below.
> >
> > 1 Teaspoon = 0.33333333 (1/3) Tablespoon
> > 1 Teaspoon = 0.25 (1/4) Tablespoon
> > Teaspoon is a volume unit mostly used in
> cooking
> > recipes, prescriptions. There are different
> types
> > of teaspoons used as measurement unit and they
> are
> > different in sizes. 1 US tsp is about 5
> > milliliters and 1/6 of fluid ounces. The
> > abbreviations are "tsp", "ts".
> >
> > Tablespoon is a commonly used volume unit in
> > cooking, recipes. Based on the countries, there
> > are different types of tablespoons used as
> > measurement unit and they are different in
> sizes.
> > 1 US tbsp is about 15 milliliters and 0.5 fluid
> > ounces, whereas in australia, 1 tablespoons is
> > about 20 ml. The abbreviations are "tbsp",
> "tbs",
> > "tb".
> >
> >
> >
> [www.asknumbers.com]
>
> > x
>
>
> Lol fair enough, but there's only a difference
> because of the different volume measurements. If
> someone else in America accurately measured out
> 100 grams of chia using X amount of tablespoons,
> it would also be X amount of tablespoons when I
> weighed it.

Lol. Now you're probably seeing a little better glimpse of the pitfalls of volume measuring on an international basis that weighing can easily circumvent.

You're right that volume differences are less of a problem between two people in the US but even then there are major problems. For instance I have watched a lot of raw vegan food prep videos and even on the very rare occasion that someone or other actually uses measuring spoons and cups I have never, even once, seen it done properly. Essentially they may as well not have bothered measuring at all!

There are other problems, too. Good scales make for much more accurate sharing of information between two people who use them and want to be on the same page when discussing issues - or even sharing a recipe that is intended to be as closely repeatable as possible. Anyone who is seriously research minded has made the investment without regret. The new digital ones are accurate,last years and years, and are easy to calibrate, too. And they don't take up much space or have the plethora of eventual and ongoing problems the old tare balance scales with fulcrums have.

SueZ Wrote:
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> You're right that volume differences are less of a
> problem between two people in the US but even then
> there are major problems. For instance I have
> watched a lot of raw vegan food prep videos and
> even on the very rare occasion that someone or
> other actually uses measuring spoons and cups I
> have never, even once, seen it done properly.



Very true, and it was a point l was going to bring up. Some used heaped spoons, others use flat kitchen spoons, but none seem to measure things correctly by using a flat measured spoon.


>
> There are other problems, too. Good scales make
> for much more accurate sharing of information
> between two people who use them and want to be on
> the same page when discussing issues - or even
> sharing a recipe that is intended to be as closely
> repeatable as possible. Anyone who is seriously
> research minded has made the investment without
> regret. The new digital ones are accurate,last
> years and years, and are easy to calibrate, too.
> And they don't take up much space or have the
> plethora of eventual and ongoing problems the old
> tare balance scales with fulcrums have.


Good advice on the electric scales. I have been keeping an eye out for good scales for years when l am out and about, but now it is time to find some good ones locally. No online buying.

HAHA, found a place locally where l can visit the factory. Very accurate scales they tell me.
[www.weigh.com.au]

Unit 31
102 Keys Road
Morabbin.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2014 06:05AM by The Sproutarian Man.

Quote
The Sproutarian Man
We also need to be taking the blue-green and green algaes with a high fat nut or seed meal in order to maximize beta carotene to vitamin A because conversion from juices will never be enough. Some say juices will only convert about 8% to vitamin A where-as beta carotene with fat will convert 50%.

Are there any other solutions to maximize the micro greens and grasses beside a high nut diet?

Quote
RawPracticalist

Quote
The Sproutarian Man
We also need to be taking the blue-green and green algaes with a high fat nut or seed meal in order to maximize beta carotene to vitamin A because conversion from juices will never be enough. Some say juices will only convert about 8% to vitamin A where-as beta carotene with fat will convert 50%.

Are there any other solutions to maximize the micro greens and grasses beside a high nut diet?

An avocado salad or other high fat plant shortly afterwards perhaps.

www.thesproutarian.com

Quote
RawPracticalist

Quote
The Sproutarian Man
We also need to be taking the blue-green and green algaes with a high fat nut or seed meal in order to maximize beta carotene to vitamin A because conversion from juices will never be enough. Some say juices will only convert about 8% to vitamin A where-as beta carotene with fat will convert 50%.

Are there any other solutions to maximize the micro greens and grasses beside a high nut diet?

A tablespoon of extra-virgin coconut oil

www.phytopanacea.com

Correct. The main issue is where to find olive or coconut oils that are really extra virgin?

I was able make my own raw oil from coconut using the omega juicer and following [www.youtube.com]

For olive oils the sources are very questionable and you cannot make it at home.

Quote
RawPracticalist
Correct. The main issue is where to find olive or coconut oils that are really extra virgin?

I was able make my own raw oil from coconut using the omega juicer and following [www.youtube.com]

For olive oils the sources are very questionable and you cannot make it at home.

Lots of places sell virgin coconut oil. Dr. Bronner's is probably the most easily accessible, though.

[www.vitacost.com]

This brand is apparently "energized, bioactive, and enlivened" due to their "helix system".

www.phytopanacea.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2016 03:53AM by jtprindl.

Thank you for the link.

I will try the coconut oil brand. I prefer to make my own coconut oil with the omega juicer but it is good to have some supply of good commercial brand in those situation where I do not have time to make my own.

Olive oil is another issue, not so virgin after all. [www.amazon.com]

raw P:
but it is good to have some supply of good commercial brand in those situation where I do not have time to make my own.

the only coconut oil I consume is coconut manna. it's delectable.
[store.nutiva.com]
and I only buy it when my health food store sells it on sale for $6-7. I buy a few of them and they last a long time. The oil comes to the surface and so I dig down to the bottom, so I am not getting just oil. It is raw whole creamed coconut, like peanut butter. I have made it myself in the melanger. But if organic coconut costs $3/lb, then it's way cheaper to buy a jar for $7/lb ready made already in a jar with zero clean-up and electricity.

the fastest way I make coconut fat is to crack a mature coconut on the ground, take some meat out with a coconut tool and blend with water in vitamix (about 5 minutes). The fat rises to the surface. I skim the surface off and it's luxurious coconut cream. I do that first and then I pour contents through a rather wide sieve (not super tight mesh) to extract coconut milk (milk bag is too fine). then I mix coconut cream with coconut milk. this method works well with mature coconut. it's different for immature coconuts.

immature coconuts, you can just blend meat with water and not strain it all.

earlier I wrote:

"the fastest way I make coconut fat is to crack a mature coconut on the ground, take some meat out with a coconut tool and blend with water in vitamix (about 5 minutes)."

But I realize it reads wrong. I don't blend for 5 minutes. The whole process takes five minutes. The process of cracking the coconut and getting some meat out takes 4 minutes and then blending with water takes maybe 10-15 seconds, and then I have to skim and strain. I forgot to mention draining the water first, which takes another minute.

Thanks Tai for the info, I will definitely buy from the source you provided, it is good to have so commercial brand at hand.

The blending approach I will try that too, I do use coconut in some of my fruit smoothies but never tried the way you do it to get the fat. I use the omega juicer to get oil and fat but it takes time.

Hi Raw P
the coconut manna is on sale today only for $8, free shipping over $30. Unfortunately, their bulk hemp seeds are out of stock, so I am not sure what else you want. I also buy their the 15g hemp protein. The high fiber protein is too gritty.

[store.nutiva.com]