Truly a WTF moment as ever there has been one when first I heard this morning. I looked up the dangers of them, although I already knew they existed. Just WHY?! To win races?!



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I don't think most people will know who "Harley" is.

Durian Rider. I still can't believe it because he was talking about the "snake oil salesmen" selling supplements. Now it's true that he's not selling steroids, but to go from 100% raw vegan to this is hard to believe.

Utopian Life Wrote:
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> I don't think most people will know who "Harley"
> is.


Those who post on this forum will because dishing the dirt on raw food celebrities is one of their favorite past times - when they're bored with bickering about the nuances of the raw food diet or one-upping each other on their nutritional science knowledge or outright belittling someone

Although I suppose that's better than when the board is boring, inactive and slowly dying



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Can you provide the source of your info? Thanks

Lois Wrote:
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> Utopian Life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't think most people will know who
> "Harley"
> > is.
>
>
> Those who post on this forum will because dishing
> the dirt on raw food celebrities is one of their
> favorite past times - when they're bored with
> bickering about the nuances of the raw food diet
> or one-upping each other on their nutritional
> science knowledge or outright belittling someone
>
>
> Although I suppose that's better than when the
> board is boring, inactive and slowly dying


LOL...I am trying to figure out whose sock this is. KidRaw? Talking about the "dying board" is her lingo but I don't want to falsely accuse her. In any case, since Freelee has a VIDEO WITH THIS IN THE TITLE, I feel it's not gossip and fair game to discuss. But in any case, she and Harley certain dish about other "gurus" so all's fair in love and war, right?

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> Can you provide the source of your info? Thanks


[www.youtube.com]

Actually, it has crossed my mind that this could all be just a publicity stunt. I thought DR has spoken out against athletes who use steroids. So maybe he's just trying to get more interest to his channel or whatnot.

By the way, I cannot stand the SPAM prevention thing. Half the time it won't take what I type as the code!

agreed on both accounts

It's definitely a publicity stunt and a desperate attempt for attention. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't even taking steroids and this is all a giant act.



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Thanks. I don't follow him (or anybody) but I remember he likes to provoke to cash in more views on youtube. But anyway, if he were on steroids I wouldn't care. I think only the new people come into him.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> It's definitely a publicity stunt and a desperate
> attempt for attention. I wouldn't be surprised if
> he isn't even taking steroids and this is all a
> giant act.


Well, if it WAS a publicity stunt, then he wouldn't be taking steroids, right? I seem to recall him putting down people taking them. The only reason I wonder if that Freelee was ticking off the changes in him.

i could do a youtube commenting on how anyone here is on steroids
but that doesn't mean they are on steroids

my point?

if u are going to include a 'source"

a direct source ( stated from the person) is the only way to go
cuz its bad enough people do not believe the original person

far less from a secondary source ( gf or not)

la_veronique Wrote:
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> i could do a youtube commenting on how anyone here
> is on steroids
> but that doesn't mean they are on steroids
>
> my point?
>
> if u are going to include a 'source"
>
> a direct source ( stated from the person) is the
> only way to go
> cuz its bad enough people do not believe the
> original person
>
> far less from a secondary source ( gf or not)


I am not going to link the girlfriend's youtube video on his steroid use for you but if you bother to check it out, as I just now did, you will see, at about half way through, he admits he is taking injected steroids.

So there you go. Straight from the horse's mouth just what you asked for.

they've lied before..... or used headlines to get more views.

la_veronique Wrote:
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> i could do a youtube commenting on how anyone here
> is on steroids
> but that doesn't mean they are on steroids
>
> my point?
>
> if u are going to include a 'source"
>
> a direct source ( stated from the person) is the
> only way to go
> cuz its bad enough people do not believe the
> original person
>
> far less from a secondary source ( gf or not)

SueZ said it all but seriously? You think if someone's long-time girlfriend says this in a video it could be wrong? LOL

Utopian Life Wrote:
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> they've lied before..... or used headlines to get
> more views.

To me Freelee sounded and looked genuinely concerned. She should be - she's likely to end up with a black eye, or worse, from this loose cannon on roids. She'll be gone soon. Hopefully soon enough.

The bike rider chap's (D.R) fall from a healthy lifestyle was always a done deal imo. Something told me a few years ago that everything he criticises people about will come back to happen to him, ie, fatter, stop being raw. Something also told me he will eventually go back to animal products including meat. I strongly feel things are going to go full circle and bite D.R, and he is going to have a monumental struggle ahead.

There is a very good reason why he has fallen, and l strongly feel the forces are not finished with him yet. This is not good nor bad, they are just classes that the bike rider must take in order to get more clarity.

I have always been kind and supportive of D.R. He is prone to distractions and participating in nonsense like we all are, and hopefully the tough times will bring wisdom and solutions to be able to move forward from the muck.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> I have always been kind and supportive of D.R.


You've always been supportive of him? I never would have guessed it from your words. If it weren't for the ever present backpedaling and waffling that would have surprised me to no end.

I'm curious as to how you can reconcile thinking he's a lowlife street thug bully type and be supportive of that at the same time? I find it just mind boggling. To me he's but another mediocre street fighting self serving youtube idiot leading naïve young people astray with his ignorant BS artistry.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> > I have always been kind and supportive of D.R.
>
>
>
> You've always been supportive of him? I never
> would have guessed it from your words. If it
> weren't for the ever present backpedaling and
> waffling that would have surprised me to no end.
>
> I'm curious as to how you can reconcile thinking
> he's a lowlife street thug bully type and be
> supportive of that at the same time? I find it
> just mind boggling. To me he's but another
> mediocre street fighting self serving youtube
> idiot leading naïve young people astray with his
> ignorant BS artistry.

I have never called D.R a lowlife, and l wish you would be more careful how you state things. Seuz, we all know that he gets up to mischeif and can behave questionably, but he does not have darkness in his heart. He does have good in him but he gets caught up in lots of rubbish going on because he is a man that feels his emotions strongly.

He achieved many good things in being able to keep extreme raw for such a long time, he had lots of good messages on avoiding rubbish foods and caring for animals, and he would have got countless people to appreciate plant foods much more. He was a man on a mission and couldn't be stopped with his diet for a long time, and he deserved support and recognition for the things he has done. Again...he is not a bad/evil person, he just has lots of areas that need working on like many people do.

There are two dark brooding characters on this forum (could be the same person), but DR is not one of them. Dark characters send off strong energies, and there are not too many of them around (most people have good in their heart, but some people are out to cause trouble because their spirit is menacing). DR gets excited and is all fireworks, but he does not have the dark energy. You can't mistake it when one has dark energy, it is as obvious as the nose on your face.

Btw, l do not support him anymore. He is irrelevant to me since he started eating bad foods, and l was finished with him when l saw really bad behaviour he exercised that was evidenced on RawGosia's blog. I saw thug like behaviour (verbal threats) and lots of lies, so l had to give up and walk the other way. I always try to give all people a good go, but when you see things like that you need to keep your distance, but it doesn't mean you don't stop loving your fellow man.



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<<<There are two dark brooding characters on this forum (could be the same person), but DR is not one of them.>>>

Well, everyone knows that sUEz is one of the two dark brooding characters on this forum, but if the other one could also be sUEz, I wonder who that could be?

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
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> > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> There are two dark brooding characters on this
> forum

Right on cue one of those "two" just commented in response to your comment. He doesn't even realize that your post was addressed to me and is referring to him - that shows just how delusional people festering in the moldy dark shadows can be. I agree that Harley is not nearly as dark as that dusky character.

a dark character inside the mind of someone waiting for a UFO pickup to scape reality can send the UFO to land somewhere else. It is interesting to see how some stories pass the approval flag while others get blocked or their characters labeled as negative. The people who have the wrong map of reality are always going to hit walls. It may be sad for those believing on them but reality rules.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:

<<<There are two dark brooding characters on this forum (could be the same person), but DR is not one of them.>>>

JR wrote:

"Well, everyone knows that sUEz is one of the two dark brooding characters on this forum, but if the other one could also be sUEz, I wonder who that could be?"

SueZ Wrote:

<<<Right on cue one of those "two" just commented in response to your comment. He doesn't even realize that your post was addressed to me and is referring to him - that shows just how delusional people festering in the moldy dark shadows can be. I agree that Harley is not nearly as dark as that dusky character.>>>

Not only are you the DARKEST character on this forum, but your memory is not all that great either!

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]
Re: Natural News Forensic Lab
Posted by: The Sproutarian Man
Date: January 12, 2014 04:21PM

Thankfully l have now found an excuse to keep away from this forum. l will not be participating anymore in such a negative environment as here. I'm going back to my place where we act civilised and treat each other well without all the rediculous name calling and negative emotions. When Seuz is gone l will come back, but l no longer wish to read her bashing of John, myself and others. I've got far too much work to do, and now l will have an excuse to finally concentrate on my own site instead of sharing with others here.

This environment is far too toxic here for me to feel comfortable and my enjoyment has gone way down since Seuz started posting here. Good bye. Please don't post anything to me or write to me, last words from The Sproutarian Man l don't want to know.

Powerlifter, you are welcome to contact me. l like your presence very much.

Please try to treat each other well and not act like savage animals.
[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Panchito Wrote:
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> a dark character inside the mind of someone
> waiting for a UFO pickup to scape reality can send
> the UFO to land somewhere else. It is interesting
> to see how some stories pass the approval flag
> while others get blocked or their characters
> labeled as negative. The people who have the wrong
> map of reality are always going to hit walls. It
> may be sad for those believing on them but reality
> rules.

Panchito, you could probably induce the last sane person on earth to pray to be taken away by a ufo to escape your gibberish.

Panchito seems to be the only person here that can help the person trying to scape in a meaninful way. Everybody else is lost in appeasing a beatiful but damaging reality .

SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a dark character inside the mind of someone
> > waiting for a UFO pickup to scape reality can
> send
> > the UFO to land somewhere else. It is
> interesting
> > to see how some stories pass the approval flag
> > while others get blocked or their characters
> > labeled as negative. The people who have the
> wrong
> > map of reality are always going to hit walls.
> It
> > may be sad for those believing on them but
> reality
> > rules.
>
> Panchito, you could probably induce the last sane
> person on earth to pray to be taken away by a ufo
> to escape your gibberish.


Yeah I have absolutely no idea what he's even trying to say, which is the case much of the time he tries to explain something in his own words instead of copying and pasting paragraphs. I think a major contributor (outside of blind bias and narrow-mindedness) to his lack of knowledge and logic is his inability to understand and interpret.

[en.wikipedia.org]

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Yeah I have absolutely no idea what he's even
> trying to say, which is the case much of the time
> he tries to explain something in his own words
> instead of copying and pasting paragraphs. I think
> a major contributor (outside of blind bias and
> narrow-mindedness) to his lack of knowledge and
> logic is his inability to understand and
> interpret.

I understand your confusion. This is what TSM recently wrote here [www.rawfoodsupport.com]

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I don't get shocked because l don't expect high standards from most people. Most humans are not much higher than many animals, so l wouldn't go expecting people to act with manners, honesty and integrity. They are so out of it that they don't realise the damage they do to their own brand (their reputation) in the public eye. Let them say their putrid stuff and run everyone down...it does not reflect on you or l, it reflects on them. These lowly evolved humans will never be winners until they break the cycle, they do not know the harm they are doing to themselves, and it is not for us to try to wake them up because they will reject the help because they are not conscious enough to understand ...they need to get sick and tired of the muck they are in in order to make good changes.

Many live in darkness, and these are the symptoms (aggression, cheap attacks etc). Best to avoid communication with lost souls until they can behave.

I have been asking to be taken off planet every day recently because l don't like the way the human race is behaving and no longer wish to be here. I want to move to a higher evolved planet or live in the hollow Earth in 5 years time after l have documented all the health stuff `they' have told me too. I am currently trying to negotiate a deal and a location where the flying saucer can pick me up.

Do you undertand now?

Panchito Wrote:
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> Panchito seems to be the only person here that can
> help the person trying to scape in a meaninful
> way. Everybody else is lost in appeasing a
> beatiful but damaging reality .


Why don't you write an autobiography and send it to the Cohen brothers so maybe you can be immortalized in one of their movies and thus spread your redemption to reality expertise far and wide?

"Do you undertand now?"

I was/am aware of what TSM said, and no.