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Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
RawPracticalist
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:17PM Link was originally posted by Arugula.
So much hype about seaweed. [www.jeffnovick.com] We should be able to survive on local foods. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:34PM Whoever wrote that article needs to do more research on spirulina. Its amino acid content is only one of its major benefits. There's also phycocyanin, nucleic acids, GLA, phycocyanobilin, superoxide dismutase, etc. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
RawPracticalist
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:38PM True but he said the daily dosage make these nutrients insignificant
"The same analysis holds true for virtually all the other nutrient claim made about spirulina." Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:45PM ""The same analysis holds true for virtually all the other nutrient claim made about spirulina.""
That's not true, he was probably talking about vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:03PM "Discovered algae virus that makes people stupid. Chlorella"
That has nothing to do with actual chlorella. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:12PM Jeff Novick wrote in that article RawPracticalist and Arugula linked to:
<<<As claimed, spirulina is very high in protein in its “freeze-dried” form when analyzed by dry weight (~60%). However, when we look at the recommended serving (~1 gm/day), spirulina provides only ~.6 gms of protein. And, as most spirulina eaters are recommended to consume .5-2 gm/day, the protein one could get from spirulina would at best ~1.2 gms/day. Our daily protein needs have been estimated to be about 56 gms a day for a man and 46 for a women (DRI) so the recommended dose provides only about 2% of our protein needs. Could spirulina meet our daily protein needs? To do this, one would have to ingest over 50-60 grams at a cost of about $40 per day. (based on retail pricing). The same analysis holds true for virtually all the other nutrient claim made about spirulina.>>> Math was never Jeff’s strong suit, which is why he became a Nutritionist. The actual cost per day to meet our Protein Needs from Spirulina is about $6-7 per Day and NOT $40 per day and that’s even using the elevated figures for Protein Needs that Jeff used and knew were inflated. Once we understand that Raw Protein has twice the biological value as Cooked Protein and we eat mostly Raw Protein, we don't need as much Protein. 16 oz or 454 grams of Spirulina = $35 454 gm X 60% = 272.4 gm of Protein 272.4 gm / 51 gm = 5.34 (51 gm) Servings per 16 oz or 454 grams of Spirulina = $35 $35 / 5.34 = $6.55 for 51 gm of Protein So $6.55 worth of Spirulina yields 51 gm of Protein and women and men need between 46 and 56 gm a day.  Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:21PM John, thanks. I know Jeff used to be raw or mostly. Now he seems to be dissociating from it. Do you know why? Is it because he works for MacDougall now? Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
RawPracticalist
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:21PM Thanks for the clarification John Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:25PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > "Discovered algae virus that makes people stupid. > Chlorella" > > That has nothing to do with actual chlorella. Why not? [en.wikipedia.org]
[www.webmd.com]
Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:26PM "Why not?"
Because it's not referring to the same thing at all. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:34PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > "Why not?" > > Because it's not referring to the same thing at > all. translation: "because I don't like it" the name of the virus is "chlorella virus", a virus of fresh water algae with the qualifier "chlorella" preceding it. Chlorella is fresh water algae. The virus has the same name as the algae. The human DNA uses the exactly the same nucleotides as the algae DNA but in different organazation. An eucariotic cell virus like the chlorella could be a strong human mutagent from the biological point of view. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 08:40PM by Panchito. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:41PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > jtprindl Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > "Why not?" > > > > Because it's not referring to the same thing at > > all. > > translation: "because I don't like it" > > the name of the virus is chlorella virus, a virus > of fresh water algaes. > > Chlorella is a fresh water algae. > > The virus has the same name as the algae. Lol Panchito you don't know what you're talking about. I'll leave it at that. Your article is not speaking about the nutritional algae chlorella. Don't eat chlorella if you don't want to. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:45PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Lol Panchito you don't know what you're talking > about. I'll leave it at that. Your article is not > speaking about the nutritional algae chlorella. you tell me how people could get the virus without eating the algae. If you eat it, it is nutritional  Any more pop ideas?Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:47PM "you tell me how people could get the virus without eating the algae."
By swimming in algae contaminated bodies of water. "Acanthocystis turfacea chlorella virus 1 (ATCV-1), also called Chlorovirus ATCV-1 or Chlorella virus ATCV-1 is a species of giant double-stranded DNA virus commonly found in freshwater algae. DNA from ATCV-1 has also been isolated from the mucous membranes of the noses of humans." Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:48PM Looks like I picked a bad time to quit sniffing algae. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:01PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > "you tell me how people could get the virus > without eating the algae." > > By swimming in algae contaminated bodies of > water. [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
People don't swallow water when swimming. However, they use the throat to eat. If you put a virus inside your throat, most probably you get the virus stuck in the throat like when eating infected raw algae. But even if you swallow water when swimming, you are technically eating the algae and that is the way it gets in. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 09:03PM by Panchito. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:05PM "People don't swallow water when swimming. However, they use the throat to eat. If you put a virus inside your throat, most probably you get the virus stuck in the throat like when eating infected raw algae."
Viruses are small, if they get into your nose, they can easily get into your throat. This is my last post about this particular topic, it's not the same thing as the nutritional product chlorella that many people consume. If you want to continuing believing it is, that's fine with me. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:07PM jtprindl, If you want to continue believing your story, that's fine with me. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:11PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > jtprindl, If you want to continue believing your > story, that's fine with me. Thanks, I will. I like to align my beliefs with reality Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:15PM Reality does not come from websites that sell and market chlorella. You will never hear about the chlorella_virus there. Better get another source. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:17PM "You will never hear about the chlorella_virus there."
That's because there is no relevance to your article and the chlorella they are selling. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:27PM the article is a scientific news two months old. The websites that sell chlorella have an economical momemtum. They never going to put this info on their website because it is business suicide. How much effort and how long did it take cigarette makers to acknoledge the health damage of their products? Bottom line is that nobody is going to save your ass unless you do it yourself. Research takes money. Nobody is going for research that which makes them poorer (like chlorella virus). Just look at this number, 44% of the random participants had the chlorella virus!!! And they were not subscribed to the superfood bottle club. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 09:29PM by Panchito. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:34PM "Just look at this number, 44% of the random participants had the chlorella virus!!!"
And it had nothing to do with them taking chlorella. You need to start understanding the importance of accurately reading and distinguishing. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Tai
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:40PM Panchito, if the chlorella is perfectly dried, then a virus can not live, correct? Viruses need some amount of liquid to stay alive.
The question, Panchito, is could the human body created antibodies against the dead viruses? And could those antibodies hurt our health? Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:47PM Lets take a snapshot of the discussion.
1 jtprindl says: "The chlorella virus has nothing to do with the food algae chlorella" 2 Panchito says why not?: 3 jtprindl replies: "Because it was only adquiered by swimming in algae contaminated bodies of water." 4 Panchito says: "But if you swallow contaminated water with contaminated chlorella, you are technically eating the virus just like when eating raw chlorella" 5 jtprindl says: "And it had nothing to do with them taking chlorella. You need to start understanding the importance of accurately reading and distinguishing. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:50PM Tai, it's an interesting question because viruses are technically not alive. They are just protein sheaths with DNA or RNA. I don't think that dehydrating without heat is enough to denature their proteins or otherwise destroy their integrity. There is a living creature called the tardigrade with a brain, a GI tract, legs, etc. that can withstand all kinds of ridiculously torturous environments. Surely most viruses can put up with more. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:55PM ""But if you swallow contaminated water with contaminated chlorella, you are technically eating the virus just like when eating raw chlorella""
You actually never said that until now, but anyways, high-quality chlorella is grown under strictly controlled conditions and then tested for contaminants. There are also many different varieties of chlorella. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 10:01PM Tai Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Panchito, if the chlorella is perfectly dried, > then a virus can not live, correct? Viruses need > some amount of liquid to stay alive. a virus is DNA (made of simple nucleotides) with a membrane. It is not technically a life form by itself and cannot be said to be dead nor alive. They could "live" frozen for a long time because they don't need energy to just be. But they could be degraded or broken appart. If a protein is not destroyed when dried, then a virus is not likely destroyed either. Thus drying food do not "kill" virus. > The question, Panchito, is could the human body > created antibodies against the dead viruses? And > could those antibodies hurt our health? Till now, it was thought that plant viruses did not affect humans. But this recent news suggest they do somehow. I don't think anybody knows if there are antibodies involved in this "disease" as it is very very rare and very recent. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 10:14PM by Panchito. Re: Some Sense About Seaweed!
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 10:10PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > ""But if you swallow contaminated water with > contaminated chlorella, you are technically eating > the virus just like when eating raw chlorella"" > > You actually never said that until now this is what I wrote:
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