Yes, I missed where you said that. Like I said, high-quality chlorella is grown under strictly controlled conditions and then tested for contaminants. Also, there are many varieties of chlorella and just because the virus has a similar name and occurs in fresh water algae, doesn't prove anything in regards to the common nutritional food chlorella.

jtprindl, thats like saying that a cow virus cannot not affect a beef steak.

The chlorella virus is precisely a virus that targets the algae chlorella. When the algae chlorella is eaten by humans, like in a supplement, it is called food chlorella. But there is no biological difference in being a plant or food, other than lanuage and perception. It is only a human label differentiation.

"cow piece of meat" = "beef steak"

"algae chlorella" = "food chlorella tablet from a bottle"

"virus infected chlorella" = "virus infected supplement tablet"

""cow piece of meat" = "beef steak"

"algae chlorella" = "food chlorella tablet from a bottle"

"virus infected chlorella" = "virus infected supplement tablet""

This is where you're wrong - there are more than 20 different varieties of chlorella and high-quality supplements are grown in controlled environments and tested for contaminants. The virus having a similar name to chlorella in no way means that the common chlorella supplements are contaminated with this virus.

I acknowledge your opinion, though.

chlorella is usually sold as "broken cell wall" chlorella. The process is usually done without heat and light. So would this process degrade any viruses?

Tai,

The only way you know for sure is if you hire a third party to test it.

Some viruses can get their mojo back after 1 month of extreme conditions. Others are still active over long-term conditions.

[www.astrobio.net]

A lot has to do with whether or not it can protect itself with a silica coating.

I do not know the specifics of this particular virus, though.

But since it does not sound like something tasty to me, I have no problem skipping it. I've never been attracted to algae or cyanobacteria although I do have a fungus every now and then.

ATCV-1 = chlorella virus known to infect humans

[tspace.library.utoronto.ca]

Quote

IV Discussion

Investigations of Chlorella virus diversity in two contrasting Ontario freshwater
environments were facilitated by the introduction of newly designed primers for PCR-based
assay. These primer sets were specifically designed to target DNA polymerase genes of the three
different Chloroviruses, CVM-1, PBCV-1 and ATCV-1, and were used to PCR-amplify gene
fragments in samples collected from a single location in Lake Ontario and the UTM SWM pond.
PCR amplification and sequencing efforts revealed the presence of diverse Chlorella virus polB
gene fragments in Lake Ontario and the nearby pond. Following these results, qPCR-based
assays were developed and applied to monitor the seasonal abundances of the two putative
Chlorella virus targets (LO.33 and LO.41) in these environments. Our results revealed not only
the presence of persistent virus genes with different seasonal dynamics, but also different
patterns of seasonal abundances for individual Chlorella virus targets in both environments. The
following discussion will consider interpretations for the findings observed in this study, as well
as address the methodological concerns encountered throughout the data-gathering stage.

4.5 Conclusions

In summary, our results indicate that Lake Ontario and the UTM SWM pond are home to
different types of Chlorella viruses including previously unknown sequence genotypes. The fact
that different Chloroviruses were observed with different seasonal dynamics suggests that these
viruses and their hosts, like other well-studied aquatic virus-host systems (e.g., Waterbury and
Valois, 1993), can stably coexist in Ontario freshwater environments. Our findings also indicate
that viruses belonging to single genera do not perform as a unified ecological entity, because the
seasonal dynamics of closely related viruses can be governed by a complex suite of chemical,
physical and biological factors. The fact that the same types of viruses behaved differently in
different environments, makes an even a stronger case for the complexity we may be observing.
Therefore, to better understand the complex interactions between viruses and host cells in lentic
ecosystems, individual virus-host pairs must be examined. Future challenges include determining

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..."the complex
interactions between viruses and host cells in
lentic
ecosystems"...

Panchito, not all fresh water environments are alike. Your stance is as goofy as your avatar's.


Chlorella we buy has nothing to do with LENTIC ecosystems.


The Chlorella we buy is constantly exposed to UV and O2 (in concrete vats). It is stirred as it grows. The chlorella we buy not only has it's cell walls broken but has also been subjected to being centrifuged.

Seaweed may be useful but the main course of our diet should be the food we grow ourselves. Then we know it is organic and fresh not some questionable far away foods.

Yes. EWG put up a site showing the impact of different food choices in terms of equivalent miles driven by car for 4 oz servings. Of course meats and cheeses were the worst.

I hoped that the costs per calorie would be more revealing, but distressingly, produce turns out to be pretty expensive. Since it is mostly water by weight, it has a big impact compared to milk, beans, grains, nuts, or seeds.

High fat cooked vegan diets have the lowest environmental impact. Low-fat raw is only environmentally friendly if you grow your own or eat locally.

The EWG report is here. It includes links to the raw data in many cases. The produce was conventionally grown, and the links I viewed showed California as the source.
[static.ewg.org]

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Seaweed may be useful but the main course of our
> diet should be the food we grow ourselves. Then we
> know it is organic and fresh not some questionable
> far away foods.

That's ridiculous and way too expensive for most people on this world to do - both in time needed and costs. Anyone who has ever farmed realizes achieving a self sustaining garden of Eden for themselves would require more of everything than they have. The great majority of people who advise us to eat mostly only what we grow ourselves are either the ones who never have much soil under their fingernails, live on public aid, already live in a garden of Eden, or are just talking out their ass and have no experience eating in a self sustaining way at all. And most of the exceptions are, like you, not even raw vegan but advising those who are anyway.

It is very cheap. The expensive part if your time investment in planting and watering these seeds every day. But that takes less than 15 minutes a day.

But how many more hours are spent in the kitchen making conductivity diet meals?

For about 150 dollars I will get 10 pounds of sunflower seeds, 10 pounds of peas, 10 pounds of barley seeds. That will last me for a month. At noon sometimes I do go to lunch with friends at work, they will order a meal for more than 20 dollars. That meal may take them to the hospital at some point or miss a day of work compounding the cost of the meal.

[sproutpeople.org]

[sproutpeople.org]



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> It is very cheap. The expensive part if your time
> investment in planting and watering these seeds
> every day. But that takes less than 15 minutes a
> day.
>
> But how many more hours are spent in the kitchen
> making conductivity diet meals?
>
> For about 150 dollars I will get 10 pounds of
> sunflower seeds, 10 pounds of peas, 10 pounds of
> barley seeds. That will last me for a month. At
> noon sometimes I do go to lunch with friends at
> work, they will order a meal for more than 20
> dollars. That meal may take them to the hospital
> at some point or miss a day of work compounding
> the cost of the meal.
>
> [sproutpeople.org]
>
> [sproutpeople.org]


You flunk at comprehension. You forgot, somehow, that you did not grow the seeds and beans you sprout.

You have superior comprehension.
But for me avocado plus olive oil is no no, a total lack of of comprehension.
We have different approaches yielding good results I guess.
I am more into cleansing diets but there are different ways to reach the same goal.
Even if a seed is not organic for sure growing the green myself reduces the effect.



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> You have superior comprehension.
> But for me avocado plus olive oil is no no, a
> total lack of of comprehension.
> We have different approaches yielding good results
> I guess.
> I am more into cleansing diets but there are
> different ways to reach the same goal.
> Even if a seed is not organic for sure growing the
> green myself reduces the effect.

Sorry, I should have said you flunk at comprehension of your own example as being even doable. You couldn't do it either time or moneywise.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> But for me avocado plus olive oil is no no, a
> total lack of of comprehension.

The avocado, with it's oil, is very sticky. When you add a lower viscosity oil to it, like walnut or pumpkin oil, I have found it becomes much more easily digested.

Sometimes it's just a matter of mechanics with plumbing I have found.

Food getting digested is not enough.
The body has no choice but digest the food it is fed but does not need.
What would the body do with the extra oils?
It has to work to get rid of it.



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Suez, the sun has UV light. Chlorella needs air O2 to live. If anything, the cholrella sellers are trying to replicate in a fam the ecosystem where chlorella thrives. Lentic system do not mean anything in this context (farm vs fresh waters).

The cell is broken afterwards, what has that to do with a virus infection? Explain. Same with centrifugation. Those do not kill a virus because a virus is way smaller than a cell. Look these are viruses (green) stuck on a cell wall (blue)





SueZ Wrote:
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> ..."the complex
> interactions between viruses and host cells in
> lentic
> ecosystems"...
>
> Panchito, not all fresh water environments are
> alike. Your stance is as goofy as your avatar's.
>
>
> Chlorella we buy has nothing to do with LENTIC
> ecosystems.
>
>
> The Chlorella we buy is constantly exposed to UV
> and O2 (in concrete vats). It is stirred as it
> grows. The chlorella we buy not only has it's cell
> walls broken but has also been subjected to being
> centrifuged.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/17/2015 05:57PM by Panchito.

Thanks, John and others. There are, often, attempts to confuse people when it comes to raw vegan food, algae is specially attacked. Why? Because algae is the most abundant and most potent food on Earth.

I believe that we are aquatic apes, we are adjusted to live in shallow waters and by the water. We should it fruit and algae, that is for sure.

Whover speaks against algae is either ignorant or paid to do so...sorry.



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rab Wrote:
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> Thanks, John and others. There are, often,
> attempts to confuse people when it comes to raw
> vegan food, algae is specially attacked. Why?
> Because algae is the most abundant and most potent
> food on Earth.
>

potency has no bearing upon whether a food is good or not imo.

why is it "attacked"? some people have a different viewpoint on what constitutes a food. no big deal. nothing shocking about it.

> I believe that we are aquatic apes, we are
> adjusted to live in shallow waters and by the
> water. We should it fruit and algae, that is for
> sure.
>

you're not going to force algae on me are you?


> Whover speaks against algae is either ignorant or
> paid to do so...sorry.

neither ignorant nor paid to do so.



somebody providing a different viewpoint on algae has nothing to do with you eating it or feeling oppressed. it's just a way to share and learn.

rab Wrote:
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> algae is specially attacked. Why?
> Because algae is the most abundant and most potent
> food on Earth.
>
> I believe that we are aquatic apes, we are
> adjusted to live in shallow waters and by the
> water. We should it fruit and algae, that is for
> sure.
>
> Whover speaks against algae is either ignorant or
> paid to do so...sorry.

Don't know how to answer that ja ja. This is about a virus (a parasite) that attacks chlorella which in turn has been found to attack humans. Everything referenced here.

Whoever attacks contaminated sprouts is either ignorant or paid to do so.
Whowever attacks the flu virus is either ignorant or paid to do so.
Whoever attacks bacteria is either ignorant or paid to do so.
Whoever attacks dirty hands is either ignorant or paid to do so.

Does it make sense?

Panchito Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "you tell me how people could get the virus
> > without eating the algae."
> >
> > By swimming in algae contaminated bodies of
> > water.
>
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
> 0688
>
> However, the scientists do not yet know how ATCV-1
> infects a human host and it's not as simple as
> just going swimming in a lake or pond, so there's
> no need to stop doing that yet.
>
> The researchers analysed the throats of 92 healthy
> study participants and discovered the presence of
> ATCV-1 in 44% of them.
>
> People don't swallow water when swimming. However,
> they use the throat to eat. If you put a virus
> inside your throat, most probably you get the
> virus stuck in the throat like when eating
> infected raw algae. But even if you swallow water
> when swimming, you are technically eating the
> algae and that is the way it gets in.


All of the people in this itsy bitsy tiny study were from Baltimore. Baltimore uses surface water from rainfall and snow melt which is exposed to the elements and well known to harbor Chlorovirus ATCV-1.


"There may be something there, but a stupidity virus? Slow your roll there, people.

Firstly, it should be noted that all of the human participants were from the Baltimore, MD area, where inland waters are known to contain viruses like ACTV-1. Further testing would need to be done across a range of geographic/aquatic areas to understand the relevance of location to infection (and the authors note this in their discussion.)

Secondly, while performance comparisons were made between mice with ACTV-1 infection and “mock infection” with the host organism, there was no baseline measurement prior to infection – essentially, mice with the virus did not perform as well as those without, but we don’t know if their performance would have been better or worse before infection. (Again, the researchers note this will be a future experiment .)

There are a lot more questions to be answered. For example: how accurately can you compare the human tests and the mouse tests? How is the virus infecting people, or mice for that matter? (Remember, the viral DNA was found in human throat swabs, not in blood samples, and the mice were infected via their stomachs. )" ...

[daily.jstor.org]



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virus and parasite are two different things. Viruses, if you ask me, don't exist. They have never been isolated and belong to theory, just like electrons, for example. Parasites? That can happen to any food, anywhere.
If we are talking about seaweed...99% of ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE SEA is edible! Strange, isn't it? Where 99% of anything out of the forest is not edible. Also strange, don't you think?

SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > "you tell me how people could get the virus
> > > without eating the algae."
> > >
> > > By swimming in algae contaminated bodies of
> > > water.
> >
> >
> >
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
>
> > 0688
> >
> > However, the scientists do not yet know how
> ATCV-1
> > infects a human host and it's not as simple as
> > just going swimming in a lake or pond, so
> there's
> > no need to stop doing that yet.
> >
> > The researchers analysed the throats of 92
> healthy
> > study participants and discovered the presence
> of
> > ATCV-1 in 44% of them.
> >
> > People don't swallow water when swimming.
> However,
> > they use the throat to eat. If you put a virus
> > inside your throat, most probably you get the
> > virus stuck in the throat like when eating
> > infected raw algae. But even if you swallow
> water
> > when swimming, you are technically eating the
> > algae and that is the way it gets in.
>
>
> All of the people in this itsy bitsy tiny study
> were from Baltimore. Baltimore uses surface water
> from rainfall and snow melt which is exposed to
> the elements and well known to harbor Chlorovirus
> ATCV-1.
>
>
> "There may be something there, but a stupidity
> virus? Slow your roll there, people.
>
> Firstly, it should be noted that all of the human
> participants were from the Baltimore, MD area,
> where inland waters are known to contain viruses
> like ACTV-1. Further testing would need to be done
> across a range of geographic/aquatic areas to
> understand the relevance of location to infection
> (and the authors note this in their discussion.)
>
> Secondly, while performance comparisons were made
> between mice with ACTV-1 infection and “mock
> infection” with the host organism, there was no
> baseline measurement prior to infection –
> essentially, mice with the virus did not perform
> as well as those without, but we don’t know if
> their performance would have been better or worse
> before infection. (Again, the researchers note
> this will be a future experiment .)
>
> There are a lot more questions to be answered. For
> example: how accurately can you compare the human
> tests and the mouse tests? How is the virus
> infecting people, or mice for that matter?
> (Remember, the viral DNA was found in human throat
> swabs, not in blood samples, and the mice were
> infected via their stomachs. )" ...
>
> [daily.jstor.org]


I have a deep well and still distill my own water. I can't imagine, especially these days, why anyone would want to drink water which has been stored in open air reservoirs and has been deliberately tainted with toxins like Fluoride.

rab Wrote:
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> virus and parasite are two different things.
> Viruses, if you ask me, don't exist. They have
> never been isolated and belong to theory, just
> like electrons, for example.

electrons have been filmed, they are totally real
[phys.org]

so have viruses. these came from the stool of an individual with gastroenteritis


my favorite, the T4 bacteriophage virus

If electrons do not exist then the physical world would not.

"Algal viruses attach, enter, and infect green alga (seen in series here)."

[news.sciencemag.org]

toxoplasma gondii

infects rats and is present in supposedly 30% of humans and alters behavior and may cause schizophrenia

comes from ingesting animal foods and feces

fresh Wrote:
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> toxoplasma gondii
>
> infects rats and is present in supposedly 30% of
> humans and alters behavior and may cause
> schizophrenia
>
> comes from ingesting animal foods and feces

Yes. We've discussed that here before. There is probably a thread on it.

SueZ Wrote:
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> "Algal viruses attach, enter, and infect green
> alga (seen in series here)."

[news.sciencemag.org]

Thanks for the finding.

I would not take it lightly like in the comments of the article above. For example, the brain cells usually don't regenerate (fixed quantity that goes down). This allows a person to carry a personality through life. So, if some cells die infected by a virus, that would be a non recoverable life burden. It could also be related to proteins somehow. If the cellular mechanism to synthesize quality proteins is degraded (like in Alzheimer's), junk proteins accumulates in the cells and they die spilling the junk proteins. Playing with the DNA (virus) is not a good idea. Some viruses also cause cancer.

Panchito Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Algal viruses attach, enter, and infect green
> > alga (seen in series here)."
>
> [news.sciencemag.org]
> irus-found-humans-slows-brain-activity
>
> Thanks for the finding.
>
> I would not take it lightly like in the comments
> of the article above. For example, the brain cells
> usually don't regenerate (fixed quantity that goes
> down). This allows a person to carry a personality
> through life. So, if some cells die infected by a
> virus, that would be a non recoverable life
> burden. It could also be related to proteins
> somehow. If the cellular mechanism to synthesize
> quality proteins is degraded (like in
> Alzheimer's), junk proteins accumulates in the
> cells and they die spilling the junk proteins.
> Playing with the DNA (virus) is not a good idea.
> Some viruses also cause cancer.

You're welcome.