Just for my own curiosity, can someone who eats what they consider higher fat (maybe 30%+ /calories)

give me an example of one day of foods including foods and amounts?

breakfast energy tonic:
1 cup celery juice
1 cup carrot juice
2 T coconut oil

lunch energy tonic with super tachyon power:
1 cup spinach juice
1 cup cucumber juice
2 T coconut oil

high energy alignment super detox kale:
2 T kale
2 T pumpkin seed
2 T olive oil
2 T hemp seed
2 T raw cashew butter
1 T broccoli sprouts blessed with interplanetary alignment by david wolfe
himalayan pink salt with super jing

100% carb free almost because fruit kills!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2015 05:06PM by arugula.

where did you get that?

and here i was hobbling along with Zing, and I could have had jing ! ?

It is based on the principles of magnetism and high colloidal Reynolds number tubulent superfluids to remove all aspects of viscous dissipation from your lifestyle.

Also it will have superconductivity to attract all manner of love and light except for the sweet parts, which feed cancer.

Plus jing is way better than zing and will elevate you to a higher level of consciousness.

You will be integrated into a higher plane where there is no need for dietary fiber. But it helps if you can do the ratio test to see if the infinite series of spectral love and light is converging in your food. My special sample diet is almost fiber free. Fiber feeds cancer, too, and will make you sick and fat.

If you would like more details, you can provide your credit card number so that I will deduct $2554.43 USD per month but keep you updated with more ways to incorporate the Lorentz force into your diet so that you will be in tune with the universe and vibrating at the highest possible frequency.

Isn't your health worth it?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2015 05:32PM by arugula.

whew, you made me a little dizzy there.

let's say that is a real day for someone above...

80% fat / total calories
7% protein / total calories
13% carbs / total calories

here's my point about fat....

it's really
23 g protein
44g carbs
118g fat

that's really only 63% fat using grams.

Any alleged negative effect of fat has nothing to do with fat percent per calorie.

If purely depends on actual amount - or maybe the percent per gram.

the body doesn't care about percent per calorie although it can be useful in some situations.

another example of 40% fat per total calories
olive oil spinach juice and 5 grapefruits and a couple bananas

is really only 20% fat per total grams.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2015 05:37PM by fresh.

50 g fat in one meal is enough to impair endothelial function:

free
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

not free
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

I wish there was a study after eating an avocado.
i can't put full stock in a study like the above.

arugula Wrote:
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> My special sample diet is
> almost fiber free. Fiber feeds cancer, too, and
> will make you sick and fat.



Sick and fat?
I eat a high carb, low fat diet.

I am the healthiest I've ever been.
I have way more energy. I've lost a
ton of weight. No more acne. My scarring
has healed faster than any medication
I ever tried, even top brands.

The simplest example is Asians.
Their traditional diet is fiber rich.
Their people are thin and they have very
low cancer risk. The Okinawa are the only
centarians ever thoroughly studied and their
diet is carb rich and lower in fat.

High fat sources are often high in protein.
Protein accelerates aging, is acidic to the body,
and supports cancer growth and disease.
Along with this, we do not have the ability to digest
fat or protein well. Our saliva contains the enzymes
for breaking down carbohydrate.

This is what the research supports.
Along with the results of the
healthiest civilizations who live in
great health in to their 90+ years
and our closest primate relatives

i think that part was a joke, exeggutor.

Oh. Well then.. I certainly hope so xD

fresh Wrote:
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> I wish there was a study after eating an avocado.
> i can't put full stock in a study like the above.


There are lots of them and some of them are free. Search on

avocado diet

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

They are not as bad as animal fat of course.

But I don't like the way they make me feel when I put
even 1/2 in my salads. Too rich for me. But very yum.

Brilliant. thank you.

the first batch of studies that came up were all positive, whether whole avo or oil.

i was trying to see if there were any that showed negative impact on endothelial, as you showed with oil.

Yes, I think it would be negative with time. The closest comparison would be olive oil and the green monkeys.

Maybe "not as optimal" for heart health.

Avocados are a much better choice for fats
than lots of nuts as avocados are very alkalizing
and most nuts become acidic upon digestion.

As far as oil... Whole foods as nature intended seem to be best.

Exeggutor Wrote:
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> Avocados are a much better choice for fats
> than lots of nuts as avocados are very alkalizing
> and most nuts become acidic upon digestion.
>
> As far as oil... Whole foods as nature intended
> seem to be best.


The whole acid-alkaline thing is a myth and has no influence on blood pH. Blood pH is regulated by our lungs and kidneys and is always slightly alkaline unless respiration or the kidney's aren't functioning properly. Someone who eats a meal of all animal products versus a meal of all fruit will have the same blood pH afterwards. Food pH doesn't influence blood pH.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2015 05:30AM by jtprindl.

"The whole acid-alkaline thing is a myth and has no influence on blood pH. Blood pH is regulated by our lungs and kidneys and is always slightly alkaline unless respiration or the kidney's aren't functioning properly. Someone who eats a meal of all animal products versus a meal of all fruit will have the same blood pH afterwards. Food pH doesn't influence blood pH."

----

You forgot to mention the part about how the body has to leach minerals out of the bones to neutralize the acid affect of acidic foods. If the body didn't keep the blood ph alkaline, you would die.

This is the exact reason people with high dairy consumption have low
calcium levels and greater rates of osteoporosis and bone fractures.
Calcium must be leached from the bones to neutralize the acidity of dairy
in the blood.

High amounts of any acidic food is damaging to health and mucus forming.
Infection and diseases thrive from excess acidic foods.

An alkaline diet promotes health. You like Dan the Man. Even he talks
about the importance of alkalizing the body.

Evidence of the above is proven in the medical literature.

Here is some scientific information on the kidney:

"Your two kidneys are located in both sides of your posterior abdomen below the rib cage. These sophisticated processing machines filter 200 quarts of your blood daily and remove on average 2 quarts of waste products and extra water. The rate of filtration is reported as a glomerular filtration rate (GFR), which is calculated from the blood (serum) creatinine level using the patient’s age, weight, gender, and body size. The actual filtering occurs within millions of tiny units inside the kidneys called nephrons. The waste from the breakdown of body tissues and from food, and extra water, becomes urine. Dietary protein is the most common waste (other than water) removed by the kidneys. The kidneys have many other functions including acid-base and fluid balancing, hormone production, and regulation of blood pressure.

The kidneys filter and eliminate most of the nutrients that we do not use, as well as many non-nutrients. (The liver, skin and lungs are also organs that eliminate waste.) Dietary excesses, protein being the primary one, can easily become a burden. (You can actually observe the effects of eating excess protein with the formation of frothy bubbles in the toilet bowl after urinating following a single high protein meal. You (or at least some people) can also smell asparagine, an amino acid, found in high concentration in the protein of the vegetable asparagus when you urinate.)

In the process of eliminating the protein excesses, the blood flow and filtration rates of the kidney tissues (nephrons) increase, which in turn, causes a condition known as “intra-glomerular hypertension.”4 Sustained hypertension in the glomeruli leads to progressive damage.

The human body needs no more than 5% of the calories consumed to be from protein in order to build all cell structures, enzymes and hormones; once these needs are met then the excess must be excreted from the body. The typical Western diet, focused as it is on meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products, is loaded with protein; as a result, many people consume a diet with 30% or more of the calories from protein.

Even under “normal” conditions, the burden of excess protein from the typical Western diet “overworks” the kidneys, causing the loss of kidney tissue.4 In an otherwise healthy person, 25-50% of his functional kidney capacity will be destroyed after seven to eight decades of eating typical foods.4-6 Even so, we have so much reserve tissue that with only 30% of kidney function remaining all of the wastes are still removed; and the damaged and failing kidneys go unnoticed."


It is important to note that many high protein foods are acid forming and a burden on the body. Most high fat diets are also high in protein.

Exeggutor wrote:
"It is important to note that many high protein foods are acid forming and a burden on the body. Most high fat diets are also high in protein."

And much, much more. As soon as you can show dozens of centenarians that are following your advice I will listen, till then it's merely a theory. I can show you dozens of examples of the exact opposite...(and they've lived their whole Lives in the Sun/Light to boot)

(Grey are all the theories, but Green is the tree of Life...Goethe)

I sure can!

I recommend the book "Healthy at 100" by John Robbins.
Several centenarian cultures are studied in depth along
with giving details on their diet, lifestyle, and health.
ALL of the cultures have diets that are high carbohydrate,
low in protein and not high in fat.

Also, the Okinawa are the longest and most thoroughly studied
of any centenarians and their diet is in the proportions
stated above.

More recent generations of Okinawa have been consuming a high fat
diet and falling out of their old eating habits. Sadly, these generations
have been dieing from health conditions before their great grandparents die.

It is a wonderful book and I highly recommend.

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Exeggutor wrote:
> "It is important to note that many high protein
> foods are acid forming and a burden on the body.
> Most high fat diets are also high in protein."
>
> And much, much more. As soon as you can show
> dozens of centenarians that are following your
> advice I will listen, till then it's merely a
> theory. I can show you dozens of examples of the
> exact opposite...(and they've lived their whole
> Lives in the Sun/Light to boot)
>
> (Grey are all the theories, but Green is the tree
> of Life...Goethe)

Here is another interesting thing commonly brought up. Apparently studies show that nations of people who consume the most dairy have the highest levels of osteoporosis. So what is all that about? Good question...we can't be sure, not enough data to know why. It is certainly not going to be the acidity of the dairy because most people suffering from osteoporosis are going to have decent lung and kidney functioning, so it must be something else. From the studies l have read it could well be the high protein diets...some studies show this is the case, BUT not all studies do when higher levels of calcium are consumed. That's why l say to do full spectrum mineralised diets in adequate amounts for different diets. Despite one study apparently saying that high calcium diets contribute to bone fractures,l would think that higher protein diets would need a higher calcium balance where-as a fruit based diet would need much less. Also, what about dairy being high in calcium?...well,despite the literature saying that dairy eaters have good levels of calcium, this would likely be calcium in the blood and NOT what calcium one is absorbing, so l believe that MAYBE the calcium from dairy isn't as well absorbed as people think it is. Then, what about calcium supplements...are they chelated or mainly non chelated inorganic minerals?


See, all these things are complicated and not so simple to answer because things will vary according to many factors. When you read all these books simplifying things and using associations, you need to be careful, and it is for that reason why l try to avoid most health books because they usually simplify the situation far too much.


We need to try and find out the truth if we can and not go trying to win arguments. Finding out the truth is very important, so sometimes old loved ideas need to be thrown out. I threw out most of the ideas l was taught when l first went into raw foods...most of the health books l read are outdated rubbish. You have to question absolutely everything and research everything or else you risk running into lala land. Lala land might be all nice and warm and fizzy, but we need to get out of our comfort zones and get with the reality whenever possible. Raw food leaders live in lala land much of the time, but if people teach others they have a responsibility to try and get their fact straight. Raw food leadership is NOT glamorous, it is a life of hard work and research because you have a responsibility to give people the most up to date and accurate and thought out ideas as possible. Many like to glamorise raw food leadership, but it is a tough job because you take on the role of serving the people.

Raw food leaders should be the dog's bodies, not the gurus who revel in glamour like so many do these days. I am the dog's body, l am the servant, and l get down and dirty in the trenches and do the crummy jobs no-one else wants to do at expense of my lifestyle. I could be free and living good with plenty of time, but l give my free time and life to serve the people. Wisdom will clearly tell us that we must be leaders for the right reasons, not for the glamour....too many forget that.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2015 08:39AM by The Sproutarian Man.

"We need to be careful how we read things because it is really easy to make mistakes and be mislead by the research and ideas spouted by raw food leaders. Even some of my raw food heros growing up still talk loads of nonsense."

And this is coming from the person who looks up to DTM? LOL
Your exact words quoted from the other board: "Dan is one of my favourite raw fooders."

I don't get any information from raw food leaders.
In fact, I mostly don't like them.

Are you not familiar with the work of Esselstyn, T. Colin campbell, Ehret, ect?
All very well respected medical professionals. All support my claims. And there's more.

Their work can be found in many peer reviewed, and very well respected scientific journals. I encourage you to look for yourself if you're actually that interested.

There is direct correlation between osteoporosis and acidic products.
The studies are out there that SHOW the correlation. There is no real
denying that countries with higher consumption of dairy have more
fractures and higher osteoporosis rates. The statistics show the
percentages of food consumption and incidents.

There is also the issue of mucoid plaque being created by acidic foods.
Ehret talks about this in his work. People who've had colonics know this.
They've seen it come out of them.

"From the studies l have read it could well be the high protein diets.."

High protein=high acidic

I said this to begin with...

Exeggutor Wrote:
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>
> And this is coming from the person who looks up to
> DTM? LOL



No no, l do NOT look up to Dan by any stretch of the imagination. I just like the way he portrays himself online.




> Are you not familiar with the work of Esselstyn,
> T. Colin campbell, Ehret, ect?


Oh yes.

> All very well respected medical professionals. All
> support my claims.


Which claims are they?





>
> Their work can be found in many peer reviewed, and
> very well respected scientific journals. I
> encourage you to look for yourself if you're
> actually that interested.


I have read Esselstyn's papers. Very partial with cherry picked data. BUT his ideas do work without a doubt, he has reveresed heart disease using low fat.


>
> There is direct correlation between osteoporosis
> and acidic products.
> The studies are out there that SHOW the
> correlation. There is no real
> denying that countries with higher consumption of
> dairy have more
> fractures and higher osteoporosis rates.



How can you be so sure it is related to acidity? I addressed this issue in a previous post so l will not dwell on it any further.

>
> There is also the issue of mucoid plaque being
> created by acidic foods.



> Ehret talks about this in his work. People who've
> had colonics know this.
> They've seen it come out of them.

Is this mucoid plaque caused by acidity? I don't see how it could be because the lungs and kidneys would regulate acidity in most people. And even if we assumed that the bones neutralized acidity (it can in rare cases) then there shouldn't be any mucoid plaque because acidty wouldn't exist because the bones would have neutralized it. Can you see how what you are saying doesn't make any sense?


And when one reads books from Etret (I have) we need to be very very careful. Many things sound good on the surface, but things are not as simple as he makes them out to be. He brings up lots of controversial ideas and people have been harmed following his ideas. Besides....is all mucus as bad as he makes it out to be, or does some mucus play a protective function?

www.thesproutarian.com

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Exeggutor wrote:
> "It is important to note that many high protein
> foods are acid forming and a burden on the body.
> Most high fat diets are also high in protein."
>
> And much, much more. As soon as you can show
> dozens of centenarians that are following your
> advice I will listen, till then it's merely a
> theory. I can show you dozens of examples of the
> exact opposite...(and they've lived their whole
> Lives in the Sun/Light to boot)
>
> (Grey are all the theories, but Green is the tree
> of Life...Goethe)


True, lots of generalised theories here. Some people seem to be able to handle higher protein better without issues, others handle high carbs better, others handle higher fat better. Looking at populations and reading asociations into it is very basic science at best because only general conclusions can be reached. We need to find out what is really going on before we can make such strong claims that high protein is bad for all people etc. Lots of different factors can bring different results.

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Exeggutor wrote:
> "It is important to note that many high protein
> foods are acid forming and a burden on the body.
> Most high fat diets are also high in protein."
>
> And much, much more. As soon as you can show
> dozens of centenarians that are following your
> advice I will listen, till then it's merely a
> theory.



Chen C. A survey of the dietary nutritional composition of centenarians. Chin Med J (Engl). 2001 Oct;114(10):1095-7. PMID: 11677774 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Food Energy (kcal) %
Sweet potato 714
Cereals 209
Beans 118
Meats 27
Fats 135
Vegetables 116
Total 1419
Total 39 g protein, 29 g fat, 228 g carbohydrate, 16.5 g fiber

"Is this mucoid plaque caused by acidity? I don't see how it could be because the lungs and kidneys would regulate acidity in most people. And even if we assumed that the bones neutralized acidity (it can in rare cases) then there shouldn't be any mucoid plaque because acidty wouldn't exist because the bones would have neutralized it. Can you see how what you are saying doesn't make any sense?"

Foods that are considered acidic leave this mucoid plaque trail upon digestion.
Those that are alkaline do not. Mucoid plaque exists lol. If you don't believe me, you can go ahead and look it up on YouTube. Plenty of testimonies. And it's pretty gross looking. Thin long strips almost in the consistency of tire rubber.


"And when one reads books from Etret (I have) we need to be very very careful. Many things sound good on the surface, but things are not as simple as he makes them out to be. He brings up lots of controversial ideas and people have been harmed following his ideas. Besides....is all mucus as bad as he makes it out to be, or does some mucus play a protective function?"

mucus is created to "coat" something and protect the body, so the function of mucus is protective. However, why would you want to put food in you in the first place that triggered this reaction? Mucus production would directly mean the body
feels under attack and is trying to protect itself.

Thank you for the statistics.


arugula Wrote:
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> NuNativs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Exeggutor wrote:
> > "It is important to note that many high protein
> > foods are acid forming and a burden on the
> body.
> > Most high fat diets are also high in protein."
> >
> > And much, much more. As soon as you can show
> > dozens of centenarians that are following your
> > advice I will listen, till then it's merely a
> > theory.
>
>
>
> Chen C. A survey of the dietary nutritional
> composition of centenarians. Chin Med J (Engl).
> 2001 Oct;114(10):1095-7. PMID: 11677774
>
> Food Energy (kcal) %
> Sweet potato 714
> Cereals 209
> Beans 118
> Meats 27
> Fats 135
> Vegetables 116
> Total 1419
> Total 39 g protein, 29 g fat, 228 g carbohydrate,
> 16.5 g fiber

Exeggutor,


[onlinelibrary.wiley.com] - "There is no evidence from superior quality balance studies that increasing the diet acid load promotes skeletal bone mineral loss or osteoporosis. Changes of urine calcium do not accurately represent calcium balance. Promotion of the “alkaline diet” to prevent calcium loss is not justified".


[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "All of the findings from this meta-analysis were contrary to the acid ash hypothesis. Higher phosphate intakes were associated with decreased urine calcium and increased calcium retention. This meta-analysis did not find evidence that phosphate intake contributes to demineralization of bone or to bone calcium excretion in the urine. Dietary advice that dairy products, meats, and grains are detrimental to bone health due to "acidic" phosphate content needs reassessment. There is no evidence that higher phosphate intakes are detrimental to bone health".

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "Dietary proteins also enhance IGF-1, a factor that exerts positive activity on skeletal development and bone formation. Consequently, dietary proteins are as essential as calcium and vitamin D for bone health and osteoporosis prevention. Furthermore, there is no consistent evidence for superiority of vegetal over animal proteins on calcium metabolism, bone loss prevention and risk reduction of fragility fractures".

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "A causal association between dietary acid load and osteoporotic bone disease is not supported by evidence and there is no evidence that an alkaline diet is protective of bone health".

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "A diet rich in fruit and vegetable intake is thought to enhance bone health as the result of its greater potassium and lower "acidic" content than a diet rich in animal protein and sodium. Consequently, there have been a number of studies of diet manipulation to enhance potassium and "alkaline" content of the diet to improve bone density or other parameters of bone health. Although acid loading or an acidic diet featuring a high protein intake may be associated with an increase in calciuria, the evidence supporting a role of these variables in the development of osteoporosis is not consistent. Similarly, intervention studies with a more alkaline diet or use of supplements of potassium citrate or bicarbonate have not consistently shown a bone health benefit. In the elderly, inadequate protein intake is a greater problem for bone health than protein excess".

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - "A low-carbohydrate high-protein diet with its increased acid load results in very little change in blood chemistry, and pH, but results in many changes in urinary chemistry".

"ALL of the cultures have diets that are high carbohydrate,
low in protein and not high in fat."

This is no way indicates that high-carbohydrate intake is the reason for their longevity. They also eat primarily plant-based diets, engage in lots of moderate physical activity, and live low-stress lives.

"This is no way indicates that high-carbohydrate intake is the reason for their longevity. They also eat primarily plant-based diets, engage in lots of moderate physical activity, and live low-stress lives."

Of course other factors such as exercise and stress are important for overall health but diet is key.

As you stated above.. primarily plant based diets..
plant based= rich in fiber= rich in CARBOHYDRATES

and relatively low fat and protein intake.

Lol and do you even know what IGF-1 is?

IGF-1 = insulin-growth factor

Let me simplify this..

Insulin- GROWTH factor

GROWTH = AGING

High levels of IGF-1 are directly linked to premature puberty.
As we see most children these days hitting puberty several years too early.

Also, the typical lifespan of any animal is 5x the age they reach puberty.
Earlier puberty= potentially shorter lifespan

Plenty of research out there supporting the above.
Feel free to research.

Lol and to put an end to this "scientific debate", lets use some
common sense shall we? No science required.

Sit a baby outside in the grass. Offer them a bowl of parrot food mix
(my parrot eats a seed and nut mix) and a bowl of grapes.

What's the baby going to eat? Not the bird seed and it certainly
isnt going to start munching away on the lawn. Its going to eat the grapes.
Simple, straight forward, instinctual.

Im sure your mother wasn't spoon spoon feeding you parrot food as a baby.
At least, I sure hope not!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2015 08:52PM by Exeggutor.