The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
H. L. Mencken


I thought of that quote.

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How about saving the lives of suffering animals?
Who can't save themselves.

Or decreasing the damage done on the environment?
I care about the destruction of the earth.
I care enough to try to make a difference.

What does it say about a persons character to have the ability to
make a difference and choose to do nothing with it?

Most people are just very misinformed.
I respect people like Freelee for actually speaking out about broader issues.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
-Gandhi


coconutcream Wrote:
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> The urge to save humanity is almost always a false
> front for the urge to rule.
> H. L. Mencken
>
>
> I thought of that quote.





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WHY cant she save me?





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2015 07:18AM by coconutcream.

I came across that post myself. I am all for having a positive body image, and loving yourself, but it didn't sit well with me either. Some people on the 30BaD site seem to have made it work for them, at least in the short-term, and I have encountered a couple of helpful, rational people there. The majority of the flock however seems to consist mainly of kids desperate to become beautiful or people simply parroting DR/Doug Graham.

Also, I too put on weight while following a fat-free, high-fruit diet. Fortunately, this doesn't seem to have exceeded 10lbs (I do not regularly weight myself).

Interesting. I've lost the most weight on fruit.
And have had the best skin quality on low fat

I dont think its the fruit, but the amount of fruit you must eat in 811, at every meal. I never ate like that when I did my three years a fruitarian and I didnt know any fruitarians who ate like that, you know us, we like to document everything. I read through pages of fruitarian journals. No Fruitarian alive ever ate like 80 10 10. Who eats a mop bucket full of diced tomatoes ? Thats so gross.

But I too fell for the hype, and tried it unsuccessfully for many years on and off and it was just mental. I used to tupperware my calories and spread them out. The blended orange juice and cauliflower in the 80 10 10 book is just a nasty recipe.

I hate saying this, but if you are 80 10 10 and you are eating that much fruit and you mix it with cooked food, your teeth....well..the two do not mix. Teeth gone.
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Probably. I don't eat nearly as much as 80-10-10 or
30BAD recommends. The people I see succeeding at eating
large quantities are mostly athletes or highly active.
I am not sure I'm quite the fan of the "stretching your
stomach" philosophy. In my opinion, you have stretch
receptors in your stomach for a reason. To tell you when you've
had enough. Eat til you feel great, then stop there.



coconutcream Wrote:
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> I dont think its the fruit, but the amount of
> fruit you must eat in 811, at every meal. I never
> ate like that when I did my three years a
> fruitarian and I didnt know any fruitarians who
> ate like that, you know us, we like to document
> everything. I read through pages of fruitarian
> journals. No Fruitarian alive ever ate like 80 10
> 10. Who eats a mop bucket full of diced tomatoes ?
> Thats so gross.
>
> But I too o fell for it, and tried it
> unsuccessfully for many years on and off and it
> was just mental.
>
> I hate saying this, but if you are 80 10 10 and
> you are eating that much fruit and you mix it with
> cooked food, your teeth....well..the two do not
> mix. Teeth gone.

I've always had a large appetite, so I'm not sure, at least from my experience. I lost a lot of weight on a low-carb diet rich in nuts, to the point where my hair was falling out. Swapping the nuts for fruit, I got back to a healthy weight and even a few pounds out of my comfort zone. Maybe because I've been more sedentary this winter, or maybe because I was eating so many dates. They are nice as a treat, but are NOT meant for a mono-meal! Hard to eat in moderation when you're not eating any fat, though... at least for me.

Raw Foods are whats so great in life.

I hear you Executiepie.

How do cows do 80 10 10?

If you struggle with weight with the fruit,
I recommend focusing more on water rich fruits
instead of denser fruits and stay away from
dried fruits. Have a big salad for dinner during
the day or a bowl of zucchini noodles. Veggies
are naturally low cal but very filling so experiment
and see if some veggie meals/snacks help with the
weight. I used to eat a ton too but over time,
my body has become more efficient and I eat half
as much as I used to.

You could try a mono fruit cleanse to raise digestive efficiency.

High protein diets are very unhealthy.
They put your body in a state of ketosis
which causes weight loss due to your body
becoming very sick.


Manta91 Wrote:
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> I've always had a large appetite, so I'm not sure,
> at least from my experience. I lost a lot of
> weight on a low-carb diet rich in nuts, to the
> point where my hair was falling out. Swapping the
> nuts for fruit, I got back to a healthy weight and
> even a few pounds out of my comfort zone. Maybe
> because I've been more sedentary this winter, or
> maybe because I was eating so many dates. They are
> nice as a treat, but are NOT meant for a
> mono-meal! Hard to eat in moderation when you're
> not eating any fat, though... at least for me.

Awww thank you! ^-^ <3

I don't think a cow 801010s lol cx
I have yet to see a cow climb a tree for fruit.
That'll be the day lol.


coconutcream Wrote:
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> Raw Foods are whats so great in life.
>
> I hear you Executiepie.
>
> How do cows do 80 10 10?

Exeggutor Wrote:
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>
> High protein diets are very unhealthy.
> They put your body in a state of ketosis
> which causes weight loss due to your body
> becoming very sick.

Whoever told you that high protein diets put you in a state if ketosis, and the rest of that rot typed after that, should not be the person you ever again take seriously. They don't know jack.

Ketosis is a medical condition that is well
established in medical literature.

You can even type "ketosis " in to google search
and one of the first suggestions that pops up is
"Ketosis hair loss"

Some basic biology:
Humans are relatively inefficient at processing
proteins and fats as a majority of our enzymes
are for carbohydrate.

There are no taste buds for amino acids or fats
on the tongue.
Taste buds are for sweet, salty, and bitter.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Whoever told you that high protein diets put you
> in a state if ketosis, and the rest of that rot
> typed after that, should not be the person you
> ever again take seriously. They don't know jack.

Exeggutor Wrote:
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> Ketosis is a medical condition that is well
> established in medical literature.
>
> You can even type "ketosis " in to google search
> and one of the first suggestions that pops up is
> "Ketosis hair loss"
>
> Some basic biology:
> Humans are relatively inefficient at processing
> proteins and fats as a majority of our enzymes
> are for carbohydrate.
>
> There are no taste buds for amino acids or fats
> on the tongue.
> Taste buds are for sweet, salty, and bitter.
>
> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Whoever told you that high protein diets put
> you
> > in a state if ketosis, and the rest of that rot
> > typed after that, should not be the person you
> > ever again take seriously. They don't know jack.

Your "biology lesson" is extremely outdated, simplistic, and ... nevermind.

Simplicity is straight forward.

When I see a human tongue with amino
acid taste buds, then I will believe
that high protein diets are ideal.

SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> Your "biology lesson" is extremely outdated,
> simplistic, and ... nevermind.

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - An amino-acid taste receptor - "The sense of taste provides animals with valuable information about the nature and quality of food. Mammals can recognize and respond to a diverse repertoire of chemical entities, including sugars, salts, acids and a wide range of toxic substances. Several amino acids taste sweet or delicious (umami) to humans, and are attractive to rodents and other animals. This is noteworthy because L-amino acids function as the building blocks of proteins, as biosynthetic precursors of many biologically relevant small molecules, and as metabolic fuel. Thus, having a taste pathway dedicated to their detection probably had significant evolutionary implications."

[www.nature.com] - "Amino acids are essential for life: they form the building blocks of the proteins that our genetic code encrypts. And thanks to nature's ingenuity, mammals have evolved a partiality for the flavour of these crucial components; some taste bitter, others sweet and some simply delicious, or 'umami' — a taste that is associated in Western countries with Chinese takeaway meals."

Exeggutor Wrote:
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> Simplicity is straight forward.
>
> When I see a human tongue with amino
> acid taste buds, then I will believe
> that high protein diets are ideal.
>
> SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > Your "biology lesson" is extremely outdated,
> > simplistic, and ... nevermind.

You are confusing ketogenic diets with keto-acidosis.

Ketogenic diets are not necessarily high in protein at all. None of the modern ones are.

I should have been more specific in my above response.
I meant, taste buds like that of natural meat eaters.
They are predominantly made to seek out protein.
We are not made to predominantly seek out proteins.

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"Genetic analyses revealed that both sweet and umami (savory) taste receptor genes are dysfunctional in these animals."

Not sure the above proves much. All foods contain amino acids.

"Several amino acids taste sweet or delicious (umami) to humans"

Sweet and savory amino acids could easily come from fruits and vegetables.

Webster dictionary definition:

Ketoacidosis

: acidosis accompanied by ketosis

Ketogenic diet

: a diet supplying a large amount of fat and minimal amounts of carbohydrate and protein and used especially formerly in epilepsy to produce a ketosis and alter the degree of bodily alkalinity

Google definition:

The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children. The diet forces the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates.


Ketoacidosis is a metabolic state associated with high concentrations of ketone bodies, formed by the breakdown of fatty acids and the deamination of amino acids.

Guess you were right. Doesn't have to be high protein.
Doesn't dismiss that most high protein sources are also high in fat.





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Ok how does a kangaroo do 80 10 10? They are super athletic.

Because Doug says if you cant make a meal out of something dont eat it so that must apply to animals too. Yet they still get caught up in garlic patches themselves, eat all the fallen avocadoes and lick salt.





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A kangaroo is not a human. Nutrition needs are totally different. cx

I think most vegetarian animals like salt.. Pretty sure it's a biological instinct to seek it out for a number of reasons. Not sure on the garlic thing. I've grown garlic outside before and never had any animals eat it. Many animals don't like the smell.

coconutcream Wrote:
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> Ok how does a kangaroo do 80 10 10? They are super
> athletic.
>
> Because Doug says if you cant make a meal out of
> something dont eat it so that must apply to
> animals too. Yet they still get caught up in
> garlic patches themselves, eat all the fallen
> avocadoes and lick salt.

That is a natural hygiene principle, not Doug's.
If you cannot make a meal out of a food, then it is not really a food and do not eat it.
Some animals eat garlics or dogs eat grass but they do that when they are sick and try to heal themselves. It is a rare occasion
But we humans eat these non foods every day, giving a shock to our system every day. We could not be perpetually sick.

I just noticed

30 Bananas a Day , is "30BAD". Why would any diet have "BAD" in it, that is a marketing disaster.

Like to NOVA car in Mexico. NOVA means "Doesnt Go" in Spanish.