NuNativs, there is a difference between a regular diet and a therapeutic diet not meant to last forever. If this person feels fixed (alcholism), good for him. But that is not an argument for the whole population of the planet to switch to a coconut oil based diet from this single perception. Actually, coconut oil is an extract and has secondary effects long term that could induce a worse problem than the one 'fixed.' It would be interesting to follow this person progress long term and hear the long term story.

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Fats are absolutely essential to proper brain
> functions. This guy cured his alcholism with
> coconut oil when nothing else worked.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Yeah the broScience guy in the video (01:08:00)
> is creating a story of fantasy of fat being needed
> to get mental clarity."
>
> Lol, fat IS most definitely, without a doubt,
> needed for mental clarity. Even your precious
> fruits have fat in them. If fats are not needed
> for mental clarity, why do you admit to taking
> EPA/DHA supplements? Fats are also very important
> for hormones, you know, those things that keep you
> biologically young.
>

you don't pay attention to context.

this is what panchito was responding to.

"When you fuel with fat as your food source, then you actually get this exceptional mental clarity that you are not used to if you are burning sugar most of the time"

so panchito is not saying that humans don't need fat, as much as you would like to think he is - because you take his statement literally without context and without any effort to understand what he is saying.

he is saying that this guy claiming the his mental clarity improved when he increased his fat intake,and made it his primary food source.

it is just anecdotal and doesn't mean anything, as mental clarity does not require a high fat intake which is what the guy was implying.

so the question is why do you distort what people say and counter statements based on what you think they are saying when they are not?

could it be just to win a stupid argument?

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Fats are absolutely essential to proper brain
> functions. This guy cured his alcholism with
> coconut oil when nothing else worked.
>
> "He started taking coconut oil daily and within
> four days experienced the sense of relief from
> symptoms that he got from alcohol - without the
> intoxication or the hangover. He experienced a
> sense of well-being and the ability to think
> clearly and rationally while sober. Over the next
> few weeks, he continued with coconut oil and
> achieved a complete resolution of the
> irritability, melancholy, and mental anguish that
> had plagued him while sober. His dry drunk
> symptoms and his cravings for alcohol were gone!
> Nothing else he had ever experienced in his many
> years with alcohol treatment had come close to
> matching the effects of coconut oil."
>
> [www.hippocrates.com.au]
> chive/coconut-oil/item/700-alcohol-addiction

this truly means nothing. it's an anecdote meant to sell coconut oil.
did you not read sunclouds post?

"you don't pay attention to context."

I know you're trying to defend your "low-fat" butt buddy but the reality is that he called needing fat for mental clarity a "fantasy". Not taken out of context at all.

"could it be just to win a stupid argument?"

Exactly. jajajajajjajajajaja

panchito,
are you taking epa/dha supps?
you think maybe the body doesn't produce enough?

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "you don't pay attention to context."
>
> I know you're trying to defend your "low-fat" butt
> buddy but the reality is that he called needing
> fat for mental clarity a "fantasy". Not taken out
> of context at all.
>
> "could it be just to win a stupid argument?"
>
> Exactly. jajajajajjajajajaja

[www.ispot.tv]

but i ate 25% fat the other day, can't i be on both teams?

fresh Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "you don't pay attention to context."
> >
> > I know you're trying to defend your "low-fat"
> butt
> > buddy but the reality is that he called needing
> > fat for mental clarity a "fantasy". Not taken
> out
> > of context at all.
> >
> > "could it be just to win a stupid argument?"
> >
> > Exactly. jajajajajjajajajaja
>
> [www.ispot.tv]
> n-nein
>
> but i ate 25% fat the other day, can't i be on
> both teams?


There are no teams, only individuality.

suncloud Wrote:
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> Just in case anyone missed this before:
>
> Regardless of what the brain is made of, THE BRAIN
> CAN NEVER USE ANY FAT FOR FUEL AT ALL, because fat
> will not cross the blood brain barrier (BBB ). For
> that reason, glucose is the preferred fuel for the
> brain. During periods of fasting or starvation,
> the brain uses ketones for fuel.


One thing that has been left out if that the brain still will convert some feul to glucose during ketosis regardless of whether we are consuming glucose or not. I do have a recent scientific reference for that but haven't got time to find it right now. I did post the ref about three months ago.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2015 09:46PM by The Sproutarian Man.

MCTs (specifically caprylic acid) in coconut oil are broken down in the liver. They don't have to be broken down with bile from the gall bladder so they go quickly into the bloodstream, cross the BBB, and pretty much instantly feed brain cells - just as the caprylic acid in human breast milk does.

I was read a very interesting paper this morning about fats and how important it is not to overdo the omega 6's. Apart from obvious reasons there is now science to show that excessive omega 6 has negative impacts on "pathophysiology" (the disordered physiological processes associated with disease or injury) because omega 6's are biosynthesised much faster than the omega 3, so we must slow the rate of fatty acids being synthesised by getting more omega 3's. It is important that the rate of synthesis does not exceed the rate of metabolism otherwise the excess eicosanoids may have deleterious effects, so higher fat diets would probably be advised to have lots of omega 3 via sprouted foods (more than half IMO) with plenty of sprouted greens in the diet. Can't comment on omega 9's and 7's, so take it for what it is worth.

Note: fermented omega 6 nuts/seeds will also break down the concentrated fat contents and make it lower. So Lou Corona may not be as high fat as he thinks he is. Those concentrated fats are broken into fatty acids, but l am not sure to what degree.

www.thesproutarian.com

SueZ Wrote:
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> MCTs (specifically caprylic acid) in coconut oil
> are broken down in the liver. They don't have to
> be broken down with bile from the gall bladder so
> they go quickly into the bloodstream, cross the
> BBB, and pretty much instantly feed brain cells -
> just as the caprylic acid in human breast milk
> does.

thanks for that suez. interesting.

sounds like a back up plan.

from a study...

"This implies that the influx of ketone bodies into the brain is largely determined by the amount of ketones present in the blood, and any condition in which ketonemia occurs will lead to an increased ketone influx."

maybe only when insufficient glucose available does it resort to this alternative

..."so higher fat diets would probably be advised to have lots of omega 3 via sprouted foods"...

The omega 3's needn't be sprouted to keep the 3:6 balance. In fact powdering the high omega 3 foods will most likely see them being absorbed more quickly than chewing them up in sprouted form anyway.

If it truly turns out there is an important race between 3's and 6's to the finish line why not just eat the foods with the most 3's earlier in the day, in their tastier unsprouted state? That's what I do instinctively anyway. Flax or chia is a good breakfast.

fresh Wrote:
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> maybe only when insufficient glucose available
> does it resort to this alternative

No. You don't have to be starving or be in dietary ketosis for caprylic acid to be utilized this way. That's just how it's naturally digested. All you have to do is eat some coconut oil or drink human milk.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The omega 3's needn't be sprouted to keep the 3:6
> balance.

Of course, l sprout them for many other reasons.


> In fact powdering the high omega 3 foods will most likely see them being absorbed more quickly than chewing them up in sprouted form anyway.


Mmmmm *scrunches face* ...things like flax seeds etc still take a certain amount of time to digest regardless of whether they are sprouted or powdered. Besides, sprouting these omega 3 seeds do have many benefits that far surpass the non sprouted seed, there is no doubt about that, but l haven't got time to go into it.

At the end of the day, if you like the non sprouted seeds better and are doing well on your diet, keep on doing it!!! I am not here to try and convert you because that would be out of line.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2015 12:58AM by The Sproutarian Man.

SueZ Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > maybe only when insufficient glucose available
> > does it resort to this alternative
>
> No. You don't have to be starving or be in
> dietary ketosis for caprylic acid to be utilized
> this way. That's just how it's naturally digested.
> All you have to do is eat some coconut oil or
> drink human milk.

they are not a preferred source by the body as the metabolism is not as clean.

and the guy in the video saying that he increased his fat intake and his brain could think clearly could mean any number of things. could be he increased his fat intake (from who knows where) and ate less snickers bars.

"The brain gets a portion of its energy from ketone bodies when glucose is less available (e.g., during fasting, strenuous exercise, low carbohydrate, ketogenic diet and in neonates). In the event of low blood glucose, most other tissues have additional energy sources besides ketone bodies (such as fatty acids), but the brain has an obligatory requirement for some glucose.[citation needed] After the diet has been changed to lower blood glucose for 3 days, the brain gets 25% of its energy from ketone bodies.[5] After about 4 days, this goes up to 70%[citation needed] (during the initial stages the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain). Furthermore, ketones produced from omega-3 fatty acids may reduce cognitive deterioration in old age."

and

Both acetoacetic acid and beta-hydroxybutyric acid are acidic, and, if levels of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops, resulting in ketoacidosis, a complication of untreated Type I diabetes, and sometimes in end stage Type II (see diabetic ketoacidosis).

"Besides, sprouting these omega 3 seeds do have many benefits that far surpass the non sprouted seed, there is no doubt about that, but l haven't got time to go into it."

I disagree but don't have anymore time for the subject either - except to say unsprouted tastes MUCH better and finely divided powders mixed with warm water are very easy to prepare and are even easier on the digestion.

..."they are not a preferred source by the body as the metabolism is not as clean"...

Tell it to the newborn babies and take your gripe about it to God. I'm just reporting.

SueZ Wrote:
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> ..."they are not a preferred source by the body as
> the metabolism is not as clean"...
>
> Tell it to the newborn babies and take your gripe
> about it to God. I'm just reporting.


has nothing to do with newborn babies or god.

all kinds of valuable nutrients in breast milk.

I am talking about efficiency when responding to those regarding fats and brain as adults.

fresh Wrote:
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> panchito,
> are you taking epa/dha supps?
> you think maybe the body doesn't produce enough?

I do. Whether I (male) need them or not is difficult to determine. Jtprindl loves to throw smoke bombs when in trouble

"Jtprindl loves to throw smoke bombs when in trouble"

Lol oh yeah, that's it. Whatever floats your boat

Panchito is the most hypocritical person on this board, without question.

1.) Consistently promotes "low-fat" but eats two cups of nuts per day.
2.) Consistently claims supplements are useless and only serve to profit the manufacturer but takes EPA/DHA supplements (even though he says fats are not needed for mental clarity).
3.) Consistently insults and makes innuendos in multiple ways but accuses other people of "throwing smoke bombs" and using ad hominem arguments.

SueZ Wrote:
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> MCTs (specifically caprylic acid) in coconut oil
> are broken down in the liver. They don't have to
> be broken down with bile from the gall bladder so
> they go quickly into the bloodstream, cross the
> BBB, and pretty much instantly feed brain cells -
> just as the caprylic acid in human breast milk
> does.

Definitely news to me that medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) can cross BBB. Thanks SueZ.

I knew that MCTs from coconut oil were used with epilepsy, but hadn't made the connection. Apparently MCTs can also be helpful for Alzheimer's patients and for Type 1 Diabetics to provide fuel to the brain while keeping blood sugar low.

One drawback may be that when glucose is deficient, even though MCTs will help some parts of the brain avoid deterioration from hypoglycemia, other parts may not respond so well. (See the 5th paragraph of the "Discussion" section in the link below):

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

That study is from 2007 though; so by now, there may be more information.

I apologize for my earlier mistake!

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Panchito is the most hypocritical person on this
> board, without question.
>
> 1.) Consistently promotes "low-fat" but eats two
> cups of nuts per day.

he? You are falsifying what I said. When you provide a link, and if you read a couple words farther, you will find the truth.

> 2.) Consistently claims supplements are useless
> and only serve to profit the manufacturer but
> takes EPA/DHA supplements (even though he says
> fats are not needed for mental clarity).

I've never hidden that I take some supplements that support a healthy vegan diet, but not the latest superfoods from China that do not support anything but the pockets of the marketers.

> 3.) Consistently insults and makes innuendos in
> multiple ways but accuses other people of
> "throwing smoke bombs" and using ad hominem
> arguments.

YOU are accusing me of making insults? talk about hypocresy.

Get a life or pedal a bicycle to get a distraction. The fact is that your 60% fat in the brain argumet did not work and you looked bad. Now you are trying to attack me instead of improving your arguments to end with a different argument.

People can get serious consequencies by forcefully depriving the body of carbohydrates like glucose. Not eating carbs can become a disaster

Example: [news.bbc.co.uk]

fresh Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ..."they are not a preferred source by the body
> as
> > the metabolism is not as clean"...
> >
> > Tell it to the newborn babies and take your
> gripe
> > about it to God. I'm just reporting.
>
>
> has nothing to do with newborn babies or god.
>
> all kinds of valuable nutrients in breast milk.
>
> I am talking about efficiency when responding to
> those regarding fats and brain as adults.

how much nuts do you eat on average, panchito?

what kinds of nuts? are they raw?

i used to eat a lot of pistachios - i think they were my favorite

"he? You are falsifying what I said. When you provide a link, and if you read a couple words farther, you will find the truth."

Not at all, you have definitely said in the recent past that you eat about two cups of nuts per day. It's ironic that you always talk about the "truth" yet you consistently run away from it.

"but not the latest superfoods from China that do not support anything but the pockets of the marketers."

Your logic is contradictory. You think supplement manufacturer's sell legit and beneficial products because you take supplements and think 'superfood' manufacturer's sell illegitimate and fake products because you don't. You haven't even done any research, you're just portraying your biased and ignorant opinion as if it was fact.

"YOU are accusing me of making insults? talk about hypocresy."

Exactly, I, JTPRINDL, am accusing YOU of making insults. How many pictures of people have you posted and made derogatory comments about? How many doctors and others in the health field have you called stupid or idiots? How many innuendos have you made? You are a hypocrite - you don't practice what you preach. But keep telling yourself that you know the "truth" and everyone else is blind to it, that's what being delusional is all about.

"Now you are trying to attack me instead of improving your arguments to end with a different argument."

Actually that's exactly what you're doing. Anyone who reads this thread will notice how you DID NOT respond to the second last post on the first page. You avoided it and said I was throwing smoke screens because you realized that YOU were the one looking like a fool. Please get the professional psychological help that you desperately need.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2015 06:10PM by jtprindl.

I eat a couple handfull of nuts a day (sometimes less), not two cups a day. But as I said before, I swing to more nuts occasionally. For example, when I travel, I don't mind eating more nuts (easy to carry). I've never found anything wrong with eating occasionally more nuts or seeds (walnuts, almonds, sunflower, pumpkin, etc.). I do not usually eat avocados. I try to eat some chia, flax seeds everyday (very small quantities).

That is why jtprindl is so toxic. He will select the most nuts I've ever eaten, and present it as my everyday rutine. He also says that I eat cooked cake everyday, because I wrote once here that I ate a birthday piece ja ja. jtprindl is a trip. He usuallly finish his interventions in the forum with personal attacks to divert attention.


fresh Wrote:
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> how much nuts do you eat on average, panchito?
>
> what kinds of nuts? are they raw?
>
> i used to eat a lot of pistachios - i think they
> were my favorite



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2015 06:53PM by Panchito.

Notice how you still did not reply to the aforementioned post? Actions speak louder than words and your actions indicate an admission of ignorance.


"That is why jtprindl is so toxic. He will select the most nuts I've ever eaten, and present it as my everyday rutine."

No, you said you eat 1-2 cups of nuts per day because you exercise and need to replace the lost calories. Combine that will the seeds you eat and that's quite a lot of fat for someone on a "low-fat" diet. Not to mention your O3:O6 ratios are likely suboptimal. Even walnuts, which have the most omega-3's out of all nuts, have more than a 4:1 ratio. Other nuts have virtually zero ALA but lots of omega-6's. A small amount of flax/chia is not going to make a big difference.

Two ounces of almonds already gives you 7 grams of O6. Two ounces of sunflower gives you 13 grams of O6. Two ounces of pumpkin seeds gives you 11 grams of O6. Two ounces of pistachios gives you 7.6 grams of O6.

We may have just figured out why you act the way you do! Finally! Inflammation and diminished cognition due to excessive omega-6 intake.

"He usuallly finish his interventions in the forum with personal attacks to divert attention."

What do you know, more hypocrisy! Tells me to "get a life" and then says I'm using personal attacks.

Panchito Wrote:
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> I eat a couple handfull of nuts a day (sometimes
> less), not two cups a day. But as I said before, I
> swing to more nuts occasionally. For example, when
> I travel, I don't mind eating more nuts (easy to
> carry). I've never found anything wrong with
> eating occasionally more nuts or seeds (walnuts,
> almonds, sunflower, pumpkin, etc.). I do not
> usually eat avocados. I try to eat some chia, flax
> seeds everyday (very small quantities).
>
> That is why jtprindl is so toxic. He will select
> the most nuts I've ever eaten, and present it as
> my everyday rutine. He also says that I eat cooked
> cake everyday, because I wrote once here that I
> ate a birthday piece ja ja. jtprindl is a trip. He
> usuallly finish his interventions in the forum
> with personal attacks to divert attention.
>

thanks panchito.

yes the nutritionist has done the same to me many times.
"fresh eats just dates and lettuce!!" or whatever ..


but i must say that it has been better lately, plus suez has been especially pleasant also. she must be cooking up something in her cauldron. ;-)

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Notice how you still did not reply to the
> aforementioned post? Actions speak louder than
> words and your actions indicate an admission of
> ignorance.
>
>
> "That is why jtprindl is so toxic. He will select
> the most nuts I've ever eaten, and present it as
> my everyday rutine."
>
> No, you said you eat 1-2 cups of nuts per day
> because you exercise and need to replace the lost
> calories.

handfuls.

Combine that will the seeds you eat and
> that's quite a lot of fat for someone on a
> "low-fat" diet.

did he say was was on a low fat diet?

or did you?

Not to mention your O3:O6 ratios
> are likely suboptimal. Even walnuts, which have
> the most omega-3's out of all nuts, have more than
> a 4:1 ratio. Other nuts have virtually zero ALA
> but lots of omega-6's. A small amount of flax/chia
> is not going to make a big difference.
>
> Two ounces of almonds already gives you 7 grams of
> O6. Two ounces of sunflower gives you 13 grams of
> O6. Two ounces of pumpkin seeds gives you 11 grams
> of O6. Two ounces of pistachios gives you 7.6
> grams of O6.

and there's not necessarily anything wrong with the ratio.

>
> We may have just figured out why you act the way
> you do! Finally! Inflammation and diminished
> cognition due to excessive omega-6 intake.
>

there we go again. what is with the algae/superfood/sprout eaters that makes them constantly accuse others of cognitive problems? weird.

> "He usuallly finish his interventions in the forum
> with personal attacks to divert attention."
>
> What do you know, more hypocrisy! Tells me to "get
> a life" and then says I'm using personal attacks.

he's telling you to get a life!!! he want you to have a nice life!!! what's wrong with that!! ;-)